Bonney,P&C,Blupoints and ?

[jusridin]

Info please, feed me! I just recently asked ya all to help me price some plomb tools.... well the research and knowledge through the whole process made me crave more so I went through the rest of my tools and found these (I gave my brother some of these a few years ago.... I aksed for them back lol)
the bonney stuff is straight forward other than the 1020 wrenches, one has a hu and the other has a ut? The two wierd tools are just that, wierd one has a 1/4 on it though and a t on the back the other has no markings.
the bluepoints are intriguing they are long and relatively small sized, the one has blue point ground out but left the chicago and arrows? I cant seem to find a lt 16 number on the alloy artifacts page but I did find a s8752 brake wrench that also had the name ground out?
now the P&C stuff? they have the logo and nothin else? no number or even sizes on the wrenches (how do I look that up? scratches head) and the sockets have sizes and no logo? last but not least the ends are all screwed up with a hex thing so I cant use them any way?

 

[jusridin]

wierd and bluepoints

 

[jusridin]

P&C stuff

 

[jusridin]

Had a beer and still scratchin head....

 

[jusridin]

I believe bluepoints are kinda snap on .
I don't get why p&c don't put numbers on

 

[B17E1943]

I have 25/30 P&C tools; they're all numbered.

 

[jusridin]

Have a look at the pics, logo is there, no numbers

 

[jabberwoki]

My P&C tools have numbers just like Proto.

 

[jusridin]

How early are your tools jabberwoki?

 

[jusridin]

It looks like the early ones didn't have anything other than a logo according to alloy artifacts

 

[jusridin]

I am thinking the hex sockets are not p&c....

 

[Flatland Dave]

The sockets look like the ones that come in a kit with the Allen type wrench handle. IMHO

 

[jusridin]

So I found one socket with a name, (blog) the others are still in question, they are all hex driven socks.
The speed wrench and extensions have a p&c logo and are also a hex drive. In alloy artifacts I can't see where or when those were made.

 

[T56 Impala]

Judging from when other hex drive items were made I would say they are 1970's era tools. However, I don't know if P&C was even around in the 1970's. I'd have to go back to AA to read up on them and may do that shortly. I have never seen hex drive speeders or extensions. Those are interesting.

These would not be war time manufacture for sure. Everything was a standardized as it could be at that point. Something as odd a hex drive would never have made it into use. Though 9/32" drive is kinda odd too. That size can be found across a few manufacturers of that period such as BOG, Plomb, Snap On and Williams just to name a few.

 

[T56 Impala]

Well I stand corrected. Seems some Hex drive stuff was made as early as 1920. New Britain seems to have been the most prolific. Also, P&C didn't disappear from the scene until the late 1950s or early 60's. I know, this really doesn't answer your questions, but ever little bit can get you closer to the answer. I'll keep digging and see what I can come up with.

Judging from photos I have seen and what I own, the sockets look to be New Britain as I actually have a set of these. The largest looks like it could possibly be a Keystone. Again, these are just guesses. Without having the tool in hand, and many hours of research I have no definitive answers for ya.

This is the fun of collecting to me. I love figuring stuff like this out. I have one socket, made in France during the German Occupation marked with an "AH". Guess what that stands for! Took me some time, but I did find out. (Its made of an odd, non oxidizing alloy.) Many other new and exciting things have found their way into my tool box as well. Not all with such great stories. The tedium of collecting comes when you MUST FIND ALL of something TO COMPLETE A COLLECTION. I will go to my death trying to locate the missing numbers of my WF collection! This is a sickness I tell ya!

 

[stormking]

From my experience the early P&C tools are not marked with a number (early 30's and before). Quite often these tools are not even marked with a size. I like that hex drive spinner but as others have said the sockets don't look P&C to me. Nice tools!

 

[jusridin]

Thanks for the responses, greatly appreciated ! I don't collect theses tools they were given to me after my mother bought some guys estate that moved here from los angeles, but I love learning their history, the thrill of finding a rare or no longer made tool. I am addicted to the hunt!

 

[jusridin]

I would assume the two wrenches are in the same boat just a logo, no numbers or sizes

 

[jusridin]

K.... the p&c stuff is sorta figured out, now .... the wierd wrenches, they lookkinda like a model t brake wrench? And the bluepoints.... are they snap on?

 

[snapmom]

The Bluepoints are early Bluepoint, like from the mid to late 20s.

 

[jusridin]

Blue points figured out, now the mystery wrenches and u am one happy fella

 

[jusridin]

Now that I think I understand them, I can let them go

 

[Keith Rumgay]

Jusridin
They are all early P&C wwII I think