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magicrat

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My bro has been working in a shop for about 5 months now.....just starting out.....he told me that there's 3 senior mechanics(guys who can fix anything and have 30 to 50k in tools in their box). he said all the junior mechanics borrow their tools at will to complete jobs.....they clean them return them and have never had any type of problem with tools growing legs.....I was just wondering is this typical for a shop to run this way. Is it kind of a responsibility once u make it big as a mechanic so to speak to help provide necessary tools.....just wondering because I am NOT a pro and everyone I know is pretty possessive over their tools.
 
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I am not that stingy of my tools because my coworkers are respectful. Sometimes we show and tell some of the stuff in our possession; where they came from, how they work, the history, blah blah blah. I have borrowed some stuff too. I have the most prententious, expensive, and shiny tools where im at, nothing has gone missing. And if so, they did a damn great job at replacing them.

My boss told me to be more protective of my tools if I ever go to another shop. It all depends
 

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My box is treated as a community box. The other people don't make enough money to buy tools. Yeah right - There's no reason lube tech's shouldn't have a basic socket set and impact set. I don't care how little you make
 

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I just started an in house mechanics position in a warehouse and the other guy who's been here for a few years lets me borrow the stuff I don't have yet. But I'm sticking to the rule that if I have to borrow his stuff more than once I'll go out and buy my own that day.
 

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I am pretty much good at borrowing tools,once in a while use a tool my dad uses.Return it wiped off when I am done with it.He does the same thing.
 

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I worked with a guy once who never wiped his tools off.

When you picked up one of his tools you got a hand full of grease.

No one ever borrowed his tools.
 

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It is ok to help people out. Over the years; I have both loaned and borrowed tools and special equipment.. As a borrower; I did not take it for granted that is was someone's responsibility to furnish me with tools; and purchased the most commonly borrowed things first..
As a loaner; I had tools not returned. I recall needing my test light one day, the borrower's response was ???? gosh, I must have left it under the hood of that Buick... That was going to be the extent of his explanation. I replied that the SnapOn truck will be here on Thursday, and those lights are $xxxx.. By the look on his face, you would have thought I had shot His dog... He returned 45 minutes later with my test light,, I then mentioned that it wasn't my responsibility to be furnishing him with tools; and I was getting tired of chasing down tools that are supposed to be returned to my tool box when you are done with them, and not at the next day.. He was rather sour when he heard that, but the welcome mat was getting rather thin..

I could write a book about things being returned 30 years later, not returned at all, swapped out with cheapo lookalikes, a pressure washer that got reloaned to a third party and eventually returned with a broken pump, and the countless times I had to make a special trip to retrieve my equipment.... The dump *** statement " You know where it is if you need it" flat out *****.... I didn't buy it to play hide & seek..

I suggest that your brother treat the Senior CoWorkers tools with respect, and return then promptly and clean. A simple "thanks" may be ok.. Some day your brother may be that Senior and be able to pass that favor to the newcomers..
 

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Certain guys I will let use my tools certain ones are not welcomed. I always give them the benefit of the doubt the first time but if i have to chase it down or it comes back dirty that's it. I know it's clean when they get it and so do they. But I do give them the old don't use a hammer on my stuff speech.
 

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I've been burned just one too many times. After a IR 3/8 impact went missing the tool loaning stopped. At work they furnish so so tools. The specialty tools are good as the come from Stihl Husky or Echo/Shindawia. I have a box of tools I use most frequently ever day Snap On,Wiha,Felo,Wera and Knipex make up the majority of it. Everyone knows to keep their hands off. I'm not above being an azz about someone just taking a tool without saying anything. If they do ask to borrow one I tell them the price and they will replace it if lost.
 

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My box is treated as a community box. The other people don't make enough money to buy tools. Yeah right - There's no reason lube tech's shouldn't have a basic socket set and impact set. I don't care how little you make

i'd almost wonder if they don't realize there are options beyond the tool trucks that visit your shop...

it may be to your benefit to do the leg work for them and give them a shopping list telling them where to go and what to buy to get the best bang for your buck basic toolset for their job
 

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i'd almost wonder if they don't realize there are options beyond the tool trucks that visit your shop...

it may be to your benefit to do the leg work for them and give them a shopping list telling them where to go and what to buy to get the best bang for your buck basic toolset for their job

What an oil change guy (or gal - gotta be PC) is so ignorant that he or she wouldn't know about WalMart, Autozone, Advance, O'Reilly's, Home Depot, Menards, Lowes, Harbor Freight or Ebay? Oh, nevermind, just cut and paste this list into Word and give it to them. And don't forget to take them to dinner when they lose one of your tools to take their mind off of it.
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i'd almost wonder if they don't realize there are options beyond the tool trucks that visit your shop...

it may be to your benefit to do the leg work for them and give them a shopping list telling them where to go and what to buy to get the best bang for your (THEIR) buck basic toolset for their job


With that correction; That is a good tip to mention.... If they don't appreciate that?? I would question if they appreciate having tools loaned to them.. It would be a polite way to get the point across that borrowing is only a temporary fix to their lack of commonly needed tools.
 
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My rule of thumb is that if I have to borrow a tool a second time, it is time to buy your own. I don't wrench for a living but over the years I have gotten thousands of dollars in tools.
A little story on this, One day I was working on my car and needed a bigger pry bar then I owned, I went over to my neighbor and asked if he had a pry bar that I could use, Knowing that he had just inhered a full set of nice tools. He told me yes and he had just been using the pry bar the prior week, So we went out to his shop and he couldn't find the pry bar. Then he said oh yea I used it again out in the barn, so I follow him to his barn. In the dirt lay his snap on pry bar. I used it and returned it to his shop aprox 30 min. later, I told him that if he didn't use it often he should just sell it to me. He told me of you can have it for 5.00 but that if he needed it, he could borrow it back. I have had it now for about 3 yrs and he has never came over to borrow it yet. He did borrow a hand held sledge hammer and lost it. Never even offered to replace it either.
 
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Thanks FOR THE replies....and yes everyone has their own basic tools like air ratchet and sockets and wrenches....but I guess when they do certain jobs they r welcome to borrow whatever they need to complete the task......always tell my brother to write down what he borrows the most and work on buying those tools first
 

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My bro has been working in a shop for about 5 months now.....just starting out.....he told me that there's 3 senior mechanics(guys who can fix anything and have 30 to 50k in tools in their box). he said all the junior mechanics borrow their tools at will to complete jobs.....they clean them return them and have never had any type of problem with tools growing legs.....I was just wondering is this typical for a shop to run this way. Is it kind of a responsibility once u make it big as a mechanic so to speak to help provide necessary tools.....just wondering because I am NOT a pro and everyone I know is pretty possessive over their tools.

That is how it is done in my shop. Everybody is respectful of other's tools. As an apprentice I have had to borrow a lot of tools (much less though once I expanded my tool collection). I try to borrow no more than two or three times and then get my own (hate having to borrow). I lend my tools all the time and have never had one fail to return in good condition.

It's good to work in a professional shop. I have heard of people working in shops where they have to lock up their boxes on their lunch break and every night.
 

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When I worked in diesel and field repair shops we shared tools a lot. I never had any issues loaning any of my tools out because we all respected each other and we all knew that our tools are what supports our families.

At my current job it is a different story, in the 9 years I've been here I seen a lot of mechanics tools end up missing. Our shop is 24/7 and if you leave any tool out or your box unlocked then you really run the risk of losing something. It is very sad. The mind set at my job is different then it was when I was repairing OTR trucks and heavy equipment. But because my department is separated from the general mechanics, the four guys in our dept are very trustworthy. We share tools between each other all the time. But we have also been working together for the past 6 years, so we gained a ton of trust between each other.
 

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I just like how down South they say, "Hey, Can you borrow me a tool?".

Anybody ever hear this? I gotta good chuckle first time I heard it.
 

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I have heard of people working in shops where they have to lock up their boxes on their lunch break and every night.
wow, what kind of shop do you work in that you don't even need to lock your box at night? I work in a small two man shop, and we are very trusting with our tools between each other, but we both lock our boxes at night in the chance that some bum breaks in and is looking for a fast buck.
 
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I've worked at a shop where no one locked up anything, except me because i was used to it. Tool borrowing goes two ways, sometime you will need a tool, so one hand washes the other. The ones to look out for are salespeople. They take and have nothing to give back, and most of the time are not speedy about returning it.
 

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With that correction; That is a good tip to mention.... If they don't appreciate that?? I would question if they appreciate having tools loaned to them.. It would be a polite way to get the point across that borrowing is only a temporary fix to their lack of commonly needed tools.

Especially when they walk around on the tool trucks for 15 minutes each week and don't buy a damn thing.

All I ever hear is its too expensive. Oh well you chose this job. I didn't start with a full box
 

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My shop is wide open day and night. My Dogo's make the final call :D
You aint coming in un-invited.
 

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wow, what kind of shop do you work in that you don't even need to lock your box at night? I work in a small two man shop, and we are very trusting with our tools between each other, but we both lock our boxes at night in the chance that some bum breaks in and is looking for a fast buck.

The cutting torch three feet away from my box kind of makes the lock pointless...as does the forklift that's 20 feet away.
 

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Sure, happens all of the time. In the indy shop I used to work in, my box was never locked. 3-4 guys working there (2-3 techs and a manager) and we all shared gear. Not that anyone was missing the basic stuff, but specialty gear changed hands freely.


I have a power probe that the other guys could use if they want, they've got every axle nut and specialty socket I could ever need if I want to use it. That kind of stuff.


I'm in a dealership now and my box gets locked every night. I don't know who's going to be going through the shop at any given time - salesman, security people, lot porters, detailers etc. A salesman wouldn't care if it was your driver/10mm socket on the bench, they'd just see it there when they went looking to find something to swap license plates with.

During working hours though, anyone I work with is welcome to anything in my tool box. I know them well enough to know they won't mistreat anything, will return it exactly where they got it from and it will be as clean as when they took it. They ask every time.
 

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I started my current job as a lube tech and told the company that I wasn't willing to bring my tools to work as I use them alot doing side jobs so the company bought a small basic set of tools for the lube truck. About 8 months later I was asked if I wanted to become an apprentice mechanic (yes of course) which meant I was sold a complete box (top and bottom) full of tools for $20/wk for 50 weeks ($1000 for $5000 worth of tools). I have since become a line mechanic. I started buying Snap-On tools from the day I was hired and haven't stopped yet. Like others have said, if I need to borrow a tool that is a tool I need to buy. I am now pretty well set up on my tools and only occasionally need to borrow a tool but i make DAMN SURE that I return the tool the second i'm done and that it is cleaner than when I borrowed it. I also will loan my tools to anyone in my shop but they know to return the tool once they are done using it and not when the job is done or even at the end of the day.
 

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I absolutely detest, hate AND loathe even borrowing someone elses tools...

Lockheed had the right policy...

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And lastly...

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Depends on the tool. For most stuff, we have 2 other guys in the shop (20 year experienced tech and barely a lube tech), plus the manager (who has his own box) so the basics are all covered. If it's something like a very large metric wrench, or a vacuum bleeder, sure no problem.

I expect it brought back promptly, in the same condition I lent it out. I got in a bit of an argument recently about properly wrapping my extension cords. If you're not going to wrap it up in a somewhat neat manor (doesn't need to be perfect) then you can't use it.


Something else that's saved me, especially from loaning things people should ALL have is a "my tool, my job" policy. (8 piece axle nut socket set - $80. Don't cry to me about the cost of a 29mm 12 point axle nut socket). I have the only one, thus, any job that requires removing a toyota axle nut, is now mine. Thanks for the gravy ticket, friend.



If you're in a jam and need it, sure. But the lube tech ain't gonna be doing 4 hour axle swaps using my socket, while I knock out LOFs since he's "busy" sucking at his job. Actually had to lay down the law recently about the torque wrenches. 25 ft/lbs is the minimum, not 27, yes, there is a difference. The wrench leaves the box with the adjuster locked, and it is to return that way. Any tool that has a directional lever, is to be returned in the "loosen" position, as I always keep them as such.



Borrowing works for a while, if you need it a lot, buy it. Having your own is ALWAYS faster than borrowing. Good tools don't have to be expensive. Spending 20 min online can literally save you thousands upon thousands per year.
 
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Anytime anyone comes into the shop, after I introduce myself, I let them know the tool policy.

If you ever need anything, just ask. I have most of it. If something wants to round, stop, ask for another opinion. If you're fighting with something, stop, ask for another opinion.

We're a team with strengths and weaknesses. I **** at threading brake lines into masters. I have trouble with the really tiny threading jobs, due to a slight shake in my hands. It's especially worse when I have to bend my wrists at a sharp angle. I ask for help when I need it.

When someone is fighting with a P/S line, I walk over and offer a flare nut crows foot. If you're going to round something, ask for the wright grips.


Easy as that, we're all here to work, and to help.
 
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My brother works in a high volume franchise repair shop.....every time I drive by all bays r full with cars lined up behind them and a full parking lot.....everyone is busy from open to close....I guess the open policy is the only way to get things done....I know they are always teaching him new stuff on the fly and he's usually the shop gopher.....and I know the senior techs r very well paid at his shop.....they get more than the management....but I think this is probly fair since they provide all the shop tools as well as diagnostics(modis or whatever)....I was always under the impression most shops provided tools for the employees to use
 
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I just like how down South they say, "Hey, Can you borrow me a tool?".

Anybody ever hear this? I gotta good chuckle first time I heard it.

I've lived in the South most of my life and I've never heard that.

A former student of mine worked his way through college as a part time mechanic at a BMW shop. All his wrenches, sockets and ratchets were Stanley from Wal Mart. He said when he started, he didn't have the money for higher prestige brands and since none of it had broken, he kept using the Stanley.

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If you borrow... please clean the tool when you return it. Was at one machine shop that made molds for a large tool company... one guy there locked his box when he walked away to the job he was working on 10 feet away... would walk back... unlock... grab another tool then relock it. Probably 10 times an hour. Kept his in use tools on a 1 shelf cart that he would roll back and forth with him.

It was kinda funny sitting back and watching him. FYI... his box was beautiful and completely shadow'd in every drawer.
 

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I am from Europe, and as I mentioned before on GJ, in most shops the shop/dealer provides you with the toolbox and tools that you need.
But you are responsible for your "own" tools, so borrowing tools (and not returning them) is an issue.

My question is: where do you draw the line, what kind of tools/equipment is too expensive for you too buy or is rarely used perhaps ?
What kind of tools/equipment does the shop provide for you ?
 
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Certain guys I will let use my tools certain ones are not welcomed. I always give them the benefit of the doubt the first time but if i have to chase it down or it comes back dirty that's it. I know it's clean when they get it and so do they. But I do give them the old don't use a hammer on my stuff speech.


Exactly. For some reason, one of our apprentices keeps losing one of the other guy's tools. He stays away from my box. Caught a new tire guy, 18, the other day just walk up and start opening drawers. Scared the **** outta him haha.

Me, and my other mechanic are the only two 'mechanics' at the tire shop I work at. I'm the only one with any certs, and being the 'lead' mechanic, I have alot of the specialty tools for stuff we routinely work on.. The other guy has been borrowing things with an increasing frequency, so I think I'm gonna have to cut him off :D
 

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I have only had to tell one person ever "Stay out of my box" He didnt put things back, and if he did not in the right place. He used tools for things other than their intended purpose. Other than that its never been an issue. Currently people borrowing my tools are people who have tools and understand the cost and investment.

I do also borrow tools, but if I borrow it, I will buy my own shortly there afterward.
 

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I am from Europe, and as I mentioned before on GJ, in most shops the shop/dealer provides you with the toolbox and tools that you need.
But you are responsible for your "own" tools, so borrowing tools (and not returning them) is an issue.

My question is: where do you draw the line, what kind of tools/equipment is too expensive for you too buy or is rarely used perhaps ?
Personally, I'll buy anything I NEED right then, if I can.. if it's too expensive, I'll finance it one way or another...

What kind of tools/equipment does the shop provide for you ?
My boss buys the big shop equipment, also certain things to make the job easier, like the porta-power. He also buys all the consumables, cut-off wheels, sawzall blades, wire wheels, that kind of thing. I didn't have a leak-down tester, so my boss bought a nice one for the shop... stuff like that
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I have only had to tell one person ever "Stay out of my box" He didnt put things back, and if he did not in the right place. He used tools for things other than their intended purpose. Other than that its never been an issue. Currently people borrowing my tools are people who have tools and understand the cost and investment.

I do also borrow tools, but if I borrow it, I will buy my own shortly there afterward.

Haha, love those guys.. I picked up a new set of Instinct screwdrivers a few months ago, and the first day, not an hour after Mr. SnapOn drove away, I caught one of our tire guys hitting one of my new screwdrivers with a hammer, to punch a chrysler lug out of a flip socket. Jeez
 
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