shoturtle
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Not the Brute, they are industrial grade tools. They are heavy duty.
Bosch vs Hitachi?
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Not the Brute, they are industrial grade tools. They are heavy duty.
BrokewrenchLS1
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Meh, for as much as it takes to drill in concrete and as many holes normally need drilled for that, a cordless seems a bit pointless.
Course, I've never once needed a hammer drill for anything, even working beyond the scope of DIY/homeowner-grade projects, I can't say I see the point in returning a drill/impact combo for a tool that'll do less in general, but do one specific function that's pretty uncommonly needed outside of contractor work.
I've actually already got a cheap corded hammer drill to use in the basement. I just figured if the Hammer and non hammer versions were the same price, why not step it up? Here is the non Hammer version:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009K1HMB0/?tag=atomicindus08-20
I love the combo I have now, but I hate the huge contractor bag it comes in. The tools can jumble around in it, I like fitted hard cases. But at this point, I'd be paying 10 less to get an Lboxx with no impact...
You guys do think I should go with the 18V over the 12V though?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009K1HMB0/?tag=atomicindus08-20
I love the combo I have now, but I hate the huge contractor bag it comes in. The tools can jumble around in it, I like fitted hard cases. But at this point, I'd be paying 10 less to get an Lboxx with no impact...
You guys do think I should go with the 18V over the 12V though?
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I have both 12v and 18v. When you take away the battery, they body are practically the same size. I use the 18v a lot because the compact battery makes it easier to handle, but I get a huge amount of torque compared to the 12v. The hammer drill is also nice, but I find myself not using it as much. It adds to the length of the tool, defeating the purpose of having a 'compact' drill.
shoturtle
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I live in Germany now, my walls are not sheet rock but but masonry stuff, so I am always needing a good hammer drill and masonry bits to put up anything with anchors. That is why I am considering the bosch 18v brushless rotary hammer for really heavy things. Hammer drills are good for up to m10 anchor holes maybe a 12 or so, anything bigger I would want a rotary hammer.
But I would not return the drill and impactor for a high end hammer drill in the US for a diyer either. Unless you are getting a brute, stay with what you have. The all metal chuck and heavy metal collar is way better for hammer drill uses.
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sometimes it´s just the sleeve of the chuck....but many drills have this or other problems (whole spindle has axial/radial play...)....the only drills which i found where i personally would underwrite "this is quality" would be Festool/Protool drills....
Hitachi is plain ugly. Their power tools look like a ******* child of a Harbour Freight tool and a alien.
Sorry
Hitachi design is as it is.How the drill works is important for me.
When the bosch is marked "professional" it has to be professionally done.Anyway,older nicd,nimh (also previous lithium model)has better chuck German made röhm+carbide teeth.And what i and other guys at work (metal industry) have noticed better balanced +built quality. How good is the Makita 18v ?
I talked about this frameless model,compared to the older models.
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shoturtle
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The older brute black chuck was much better then the silver one.
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shoturtle
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shoturtle
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PS I am waiting to see what the new "CORE" line will have in their drills. If they make then with the röhm chuck. It will be a really tempting drill.
shoturtle
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impactor and standard drill is a good setup. L-Boxx is a personal preference. I put all my power tools in a 41" tool cart. I hate having to go through the boxes to get the one I need if they are on the bottom. And when I take powers tools with me to help out my sister in laws BF. I can pack allot more into the bosch canvas bag then trying to carry 5 L-Boxx. Yes it juggles a bit in a canvas bag, but I can get 5-6 tools in the bag with batteries and charger.
Also the hammer drill you linked is a middle grade hammer. Good for hard wood work with upto m8 screws for normal uses, and m10 for casual uses.
Also the hammer drill you linked is a middle grade hammer. Good for hard wood work with upto m8 screws for normal uses, and m10 for casual uses.
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that´s right, design is not important but the eyes wants to be pleased tooHitachi design is as it is.How the drill works is important for me.
Anyway,older nicd,nimh (also previous lithium model)has better chuck German made röhm+carbide teeth.And what i and other guys at work (metal industry) have noticed better balanced +built quality. How good is the Makita 18v ?
I talked about this frameless model,compared to the older models.
i thought the impact/percussion drills aways have carbide tipped chuck jaws ....
Makita ? no overload protection, batteries fail, plastic gears in the cheaper 18v versions.....
that chuck looks like a Jacobs brand chuck...
shoturtle
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I took it off once it is not a jacobs
BrokewrenchLS1
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Unless you have a specific need for a hammer drill quite often, the impact driver will be a hell of a lot more useful. For screws over 3" I don't use anything but an impact now, and it'll drive lags and do basic mechanic duties quite well.
@ Monte , the Swiss build/assembled drills (both gsr,gsb robust series 14-24v,like GSB 18 VE-2LI
had autolock röhm carbide tipped chucks.Maybe they were too expensive for bosch when they moved their manufacturing in Asia
had autolock röhm carbide tipped chucks.Maybe they were too expensive for bosch when they moved their manufacturing in Asia
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Lasu, Shoturtle
Is that the 17618 hammer drill you're linking? I have one and the HDH181 and both of the chucks are fine for me. I haven't noticed any runout on either. I prefer cordless hammer drills over cordless drill/drivers because they feel more solid and in my experience the chuck & gears last longer. I don't mind the extra weight but I prefer the newer 181 as it is the lighter of the two.
OP, I have all the tools you're talking about keeping or returning and I will suggest you keep what you have and buy an LBOXX later. The LBOXXes are very nice, but they will not get work done. Buy storage as you need it; if something breaks and you need your impact or drill, the box will not do the job.
Is that the 17618 hammer drill you're linking? I have one and the HDH181 and both of the chucks are fine for me. I haven't noticed any runout on either. I prefer cordless hammer drills over cordless drill/drivers because they feel more solid and in my experience the chuck & gears last longer. I don't mind the extra weight but I prefer the newer 181 as it is the lighter of the two.
OP, I have all the tools you're talking about keeping or returning and I will suggest you keep what you have and buy an LBOXX later. The LBOXXes are very nice, but they will not get work done. Buy storage as you need it; if something breaks and you need your impact or drill, the box will not do the job.
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shoturtle
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The one I linked is HDH181, it is pretty good. Personally I have a 17618 for couple years now, and the chuck never gave me an issue. And I have used the HDH181 at work, and it has been pretty good.
I am a Hitachi fan. I have their 18v HPX LiIon drill and Impact, and their 10.8v drill and impact in cordless. In corded, I have a jigsaw, 7 1/4" circular saw, and R/O sander. All have been great.
I only have the 1.5Ah batteries for my 18v stuff, but they are pretty impressive. I just finished building a deck, and it required driving right at 1,050 2.5" primeguard deck screws. Without a pilot hole, I drove all 1,050 with three batteries. I drove 75 3/8x4" lag bolts for the ledger board with pilot holes, with the impact. I drove all 40 with 2 batteries. Good stuff, in my opinion.
I only have the 1.5Ah batteries for my 18v stuff, but they are pretty impressive. I just finished building a deck, and it required driving right at 1,050 2.5" primeguard deck screws. Without a pilot hole, I drove all 1,050 with three batteries. I drove 75 3/8x4" lag bolts for the ledger board with pilot holes, with the impact. I drove all 40 with 2 batteries. Good stuff, in my opinion.
shoturtle
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The only thing that I was not completely happy with the 181 was the chuck. It work and did not have run out issues, but they could of put a higher grade chuck on for the brute line. It is gear toward professional uses. And it is a tad to light for my taste. But that is just being use to the older swiss made one.
Well I just found out something somewhat disturbing about the 181 models. Lowes, Amazon, Home Depot all say that these combos only come with a 1 year tool and 1 year battery warranty. This seems pretty piss poor compared to Dewalt, Milwuakee, Ridgid, and everyone else.
I really like the combo, but a one year warranty, especially on the batteries, worry me.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005GT0IXO/?tag=atomicindus08-20
I really like the combo, but a one year warranty, especially on the batteries, worry me.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005GT0IXO/?tag=atomicindus08-20
Burgerkong
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It should be 5 years tool and 3 years batteries?
shoturtle
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It is 3 year when you register the tool with the extended warranty card they include with the tool. If you do not register it, it is only 1 year.
shoturtle
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once you register it, in about a month you will get a bosch card in the mail confirming the extension and you will have a bosch customer number.
ishiboo
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I think Bosch's warranty is about the same as Dewalt and Milwaukee. Ridgid has the "lifetime" tool+battery warranty but I have heard nothing except complains about, more than all the limited Dewalt/Milwaukee/Bosch warranties combined. My friend also has a big Ridgid tool (24v I believe?) and the ergonomics were terrible.
All the standard Bosch cordless tools come with the standard 30-day money back, 1 year warranty. However, most of them then add the Bosch ProVantage warranty which takes you to 3 years on the tool, and 2 years on the battery. For more details search "Bosch ProVantage". Call Bosch and ask them if you have any questions on the warranty.
I have had a couple minor issues with my Bosch tools, and the warranty support has been FLAWLESS and more than I could hope for. You call and get people in Iowa who know what they're talking abuot, the replacement tool ships FAST from Illinois.
I have been extremely satisfied with all my Bosch cordless tools, from my first 24v nicad set to the current 12v, 18v and 36v lineups I have. My Bosch table saw is perfection, and my miter saw is great but could be better if it was the DB. The only tool I have been disappointed with is the CS10 corded circular saw, which Bosch happily made the retailer take back outside the 30 day return window.