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Expensive? After having one 15+ years it's cheap as hell anyway you slice it. Per year, per hour, yada yada. And like a Toyota, if we ever sell it, folks will line up to buy or it will go with our 11 yr old to college lol.
 
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@Bush and @Bukit....I am glad you guys ARE in the rabbit hole (i learned something from your posts) BUT what is your recommendation to the OP?

A lot of people probably would like to hear what an audiophile would do for garage sounds using a budget of a used Bose Soundwave (~$100 - $200). OP wanted decent (but not concert / studio quality) and good AM/FM. Very interested in your thoughts.



Bukit - thats quite a back bedroom...KUDOS!

The real headache here is the damned radio, of all things. It's all going Bluetooth in "table top" systems, and there's rarely a tuner. :lol:

EDIT: For radio, one solution is to pick up a receiver with Bluetooth output, and use any of the solutions, such as those mentioned below, or any wireless receiver. Given the rarity of quality radio speaker systems these days, you're better off with that separate source.

You can physically plug it into an AUX input, or just use the Bluetooth output. Yes, Bluetooth affects audio; but this is a garage that will eat some of that quality anyway.


1: A previous post somewhere was on point with a suggestion I almost always forget. Studio monitors connected to nearly any source with outputs will really do the job in that budget.

I like JBL 305P MK II monitors. Their price to performance is outstanding, and new they're about $130. Used they can be much cheaper. Quality?

I remaster films and tailor Foley effects with a set of these. They're great.

The main thing to remember is you want at least a tweeter and mid-bass driver in each speaker, or very good full-range drivers (not BOSE).

You'll want to favor silk (or otherwise textile) dome tweeters, as the sharpness imparted upon the sound by some polymer and many metallic tweeters can cause irritating reflections in rooms like a garage. In other words, you may not be able to crank the volume without it hurting your ears or sounding "tinny".

In a home or car, that's tamed by various soft materials and the human itself. In a garage, the issues are amplified; not reduced.

Placement is critical. Walk around that garage clapping your hands. You WILL hear where the reflections are terrible, and where they aren't so bad. Put the speakers where the reflections aren't so bad.

2: Another great option is the Klipsch Promedia 2.1 multimedia speaker system, which can be had brand spanking new for $150; but used they're cheaper. They are incredibly reliable, and while not quite hi/hi, they're damned close.

It's the best all in one computer multimedia system you can buy, and LITERALLY has been for twenty years. Nobody's ever topped them. These units now function with Bluetooth, but they can plug into any source.

The speakers themselves are used for some of Klipsch's nicer consumer-level theater systems, and are THX certified, for what it's worth.

They have one flaw: The volume knob is guaranteed to become "scratchy" within a couple of years for the first quarter or so. People have been overlooking that for two decades, because you're really going to set it and forget it anyway, using the source to adjust volume.

I still have my original 20 year old set, and I've used them on countless computers and yes... In my garage. :)

EDIT: If the speaker cables on the Promedia aren't long enough, you can just cut and extend them; they look proprietary, but they're not. Only the control cable is. You can also just run the speakers off of any source with an appropriate output if you don't want the sub in the way.

3: Beyond that, you're going to be leaning into wireless speaker systems, and some are nice enough to get away with full-range drivers, such as the Klipsch One II. They're a very good manufacturer to consider, used or new at this price point. They don't build junk. They do the best they can at a price point, and they do make sure to dip under $200 in each line.

There are also individual wireless speakers, and there's the temptation to use your home theater system to run a couple of speakers as the "second room" in your garage. This does work, but you'd better have some way to control it out there, or you'll be going back and forth constantly.

You can get decent job site radios, as well, but they're not what you're asking about.

EDIT: Nearly any hi/fi solution will either involve separate speakers or cost more than $200; and clarity of that caliber isn't going to be super worthwhile in a garage. The space will eat some of it.

I've potentially bumped it over $200 here, depending upon what is purchased and how, but if we get into too much older stuff, finding it becomes complicated, and quite a bit of the great all in one units are already climbing in value.

Some boom boxes are good, but they aren't hitting "hi/fi" at that price point.

Likewise, some dedicated portables are good, but there are about a billion of them, and most products at that level are either going to be more than $200, or not have a tuner.
 
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My last post has been edited quite a bit. If you read it before I posted this, might want to check again.
 

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Welcome to the garage forum where you can ask about this
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and people will talk you into this...

or just buy this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078WFDR8D/?tag=atomicindus08-20 ($98) .or.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EMQI2CU/?tag=atomicindus08-20 ($149)
.and.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VMTLQJ8/?tag=atomicindus08-20 ($99.50)

vs.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011IH6MBO/?tag=atomicindus08-20 ($479)

Kind of a no-brainer. Of course, there's every sort of receiver out there in terms of inputs, bluetooth, CD, phono input. At the level a Bose all-in-one operates at, you're dealing with the cheapest kind of consumer grade stuff anyway...but the marginal cost of any real quality improvement really isn't worth it.

Another alternative for a lot of people is simply to buy a decent pair of powered speakers and hook them to a laptop or a portable radio. One nice side effect is that you can always migrate them indoors to a desktop PC.
 

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or just buy this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078WFDR8D/?tag=atomicindus08-20 ($98) .or.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EMQI2CU/?tag=atomicindus08-20 ($149)
.and.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VMTLQJ8/?tag=atomicindus08-20 ($99.50)

vs.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011IH6MBO/?tag=atomicindus08-20 ($479)

Kind of a no-brainer. Of course, there's every sort of receiver out there in terms of inputs, bluetooth, CD, phono input. At the level a Bose all-in-one operates at, you're dealing with the cheapest kind of consumer grade stuff anyway...but the marginal cost of any real quality improvement really isn't worth it.

Another alternative for a lot of people is simply to buy a decent pair of powered speakers and hook them to a laptop or a portable radio. One nice side effect is that you can always migrate them indoors to a desktop PC.

The Promedias are great for that. They work with pretty much anything. The amp is in the sub. In a garage, that's nice. You can use the speakers by themselves if you want to, or certainly connect them to a receiver, or all of it.

You'd just need a separate FM receiver; but that's all you'd need; and you'd have that outstanding reception that was requested by using a dedicated FM receiver.

I can dig the receiver setup, but it starts to be a little clunky sometimes.
 

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We have two. One with cd player and one am/fm only. Both old as dirt and they both do their jobs. I don’t have audiophile ears so they sound good to me for what they are.
 

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We have two. One with cd player and one am/fm only. Both old as dirt and they both do their jobs. I don’t have audiophile ears so they sound good to me for what they are.

Overall build quality of Bose products tends to be good. Their old Acoustimass stuff didn't age well, but before and after their initial "cube push" quality has been competitive.

Don't discount your ears, though. They're better than you think; even damaged. Going from the big guns to modern consumer grade is like going from a 77" calibrated display to a worn out 13" CRT.

Yeah, you can watch the movie, but if a... "Calibrated" decision can improve that experience within a price range, why not? You'll be shocked at what you've been missing if you step up a notch next time around. :D

The main point in the Wave Radio's favor right now is that it's a one-unit solution that's actually got a damned radio. That alone is enough to keep it on the radar if a one-unit solution is demanded.
 
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The problem with a radio it’s a radio..........

A speaker with streaming capabilities........does radio station in the world and every song or program for free.
 

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The problem with a radio it’s a radio..........

A speaker with streaming capabilities........does radio station in the world and every song or program for free.

Not if your services aren't running.

I agree, though. I don't like listening to radio in general, but some people cannot seem to live without it. They like those five songs. :D

That said, it's frustrating that it's not included, and hilarious that BOSE of all companies is hanging on. I do get why it hangs on from a potential perspective, but from a practical perspective it's kind of settling into a sad groove.

It's the consumer that drives this sort of thing, in the end; and if you don't stick your nose in other peoples' business, you end up in a world where a good radio is hard to find, and in which all the channels ****.

A streaming speaker isn't going to be the best solution for everyone, but people want clean, they want an app, they want their phone...

Right now is not actually a super great time in the audio reproduction world. People forgot what stuff is supposed to sound like, and they forgot to care.

That one can be hung on BOSE. Their marketing convinced people that larger systems are old-fashioned, because people can't follow even the most elementary of physics. Now look around.

That's the fault of everyone who knew better and didn't speak up.
 

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Bose - The marketing company that makes speakers on the side :lol_hitti

Bam. That is precisely what they are.

Used and cheap? Sure. It'll make noise and fill a room, and it's still not a bad choice for a garage; about as good as a decent compact boom box.

New at $600-$700? Ha! :lol:
 

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Not if your services aren't running.

I agree, though. I don't like listening to radio in general, but some people cannot seem to live without it. They like those five songs. :D

That said, it's frustrating that it's not included, and hilarious that BOSE of all companies is hanging on. I do get why it hangs on from a potential perspective, but from a practical perspective it's kind of settling into a sad groove.

It's the consumer that drives this sort of thing, in the end; and if you don't stick your nose in other peoples' business, you end up in a world where a good radio is hard to find, and in which all the channels ****.

A streaming speaker isn't going to be the best solution for everyone, but people want clean, they want an app, they want their phone...

Right now is not actually a super great time in the audio reproduction world. People forgot what stuff is supposed to sound like, and they forgot to care.

That one can be hung on BOSE. Their marketing convinced people that larger systems are old-fashioned, because people can't follow even the most elementary of physics. Now look around.

That's the fault of everyone who knew better and didn't speak up.

We are having fun getting off topic :D

I can see why someone might want radio. It was a while before my dad got internet in his shop. He could pick up the house wifi if you stood in just the right spot by the window but not in the middle of his metal sided shop. Now that he has a wifi extender in the shop he listens to a mix of old fashion radio and stuff streamed on his shop computer. For people who don't have wifi in the shop radio is still an option.

I don't think the decline of quality audio is really on Bose. Instead I think they saw what the majority of consumers wanted. I'm mad that all my good stereo stuff has been boxed up since my wife felt the kids got priority :mad: Floor standing speakers placed just so was not a priority for her.

In the past you didn't have an option to get something that was really portable yet didn't sound really bad. Those 80s boomboxes were really poor compared to many portable BT speakers today. I think Bose was the first to tap into the large market of people who want something that sounds better than a true, old school clock radio but isn't as big/expensive/cumbersome/intimidating as a traditional stereo. Music for better and worse has shifted to high convenience mixed with better than **** quality sound at the expense of ultimate sound quality. That ***** that fewer people think about really good stuff but I have to admit, what I am willing to throw into my garage today is far better than anything I would have put in the same space in 1995 (factory size, cost etc). In 1995 I would have been reluctant to take a discman+CD collection (ie my originals for all music) into the garage. Essentially we have been given very easy access to sound that is "good enough" for most people.

BTW, for a while my garage speakers were a set of 1980s Bose Roommates. My biggest complaint was they weren't loud enough. The sound was sufficient but not as good (or loud) as my current setup.
 

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We are having fun getting off topic :D

I can see why someone might want radio. It was a while before my dad got internet in his shop. He could pick up the house wifi if you stood in just the right spot by the window but not in the middle of his metal sided shop. Now that he has a wifi extender in the shop he listens to a mix of old fashion radio and stuff streamed on his shop computer. For people who don't have wifi in the shop radio is still an option.

I don't think the decline of quality audio is really on Bose. Instead I think they saw what the majority of consumers wanted. I'm mad that all my good stereo stuff has been boxed up since my wife felt the kids got priority :mad: Floor standing speakers placed just so was not a priority for her.

In the past you didn't have an option to get something that was really portable yet didn't sound really bad. Those 80s boomboxes were really poor compared to many portable BT speakers today. I think Bose was the first to tap into the large market of people who want something that sounds better than a true, old school clock radio but isn't as big/expensive/cumbersome/intimidating as a traditional stereo. Music for better and worse has shifted to high convenience mixed with better than **** quality sound at the expense of ultimate sound quality. That ***** that fewer people think about really good stuff but I have to admit, what I am willing to throw into my garage today is far better than anything I would have put in the same space in 1995 (factory size, cost etc). In 1995 I would have been reluctant to take a discman+CD collection (ie my originals for all music) into the garage. Essentially we have been given very easy access to sound that is "good enough" for most people.

BTW, for a while my garage speakers were a set of 1980s Bose Roommates. My biggest complaint was they weren't loud enough. The sound was sufficient but not as good (or loud) as my current setup.

I still have my old Realistic tape player, but I'm not interested in using tapes. It does have a radio, and it's not terrible; but it's not great.

There were some good boom boxes, but they're going to be expensive. I do have one I really like; I think it's an Aiwa, but it's in storage. I'd have to check.

Bang and Olufsen made some sweet portable/desktop systems over the years, but the problem is the price. They were expensive new, and they're expensive now.

I still think the better solution is a decent smart speaker (or at least a Bluetooth multimedia system like the Promedia) and a separate radio tuner.
 

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Here's Bushmechanic in his gabion wall-surrounded fortress of audiophile solitude.:D
 

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The bottom line: if it sounds good to you and in your price range get it. It only has to satisfy you!
 

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Bose is not really for me, but my dad likes his little Bose Radio in his shop. Small, compact, and sound OK to him. It is his shop not mine.
 

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I have a wave radio I bought used many years ago. I has served me well. Sound is very good for the size, more than sufficient for use in my shop.

Still have it, but don't use it much as I've shifted to internet based music with bluetooth speakers. Main speakers are JBL and UE Boom, which both produce fine sound. For parties, I also have a large Samson speaker. Use both Google Home and various phone apps as the source.

Should note that I still have my original 1970s GE clock radio in my shop as well. Use it just for the time, but the radio still works.
 

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Speaking as an audiophile....

Your garage is not a place for a high end audio experience. You are probably not doing critical listening in your garage. You're moving around, paying attention to other things, etc. Mostly background noise, whether it's NPR, Oprah's latest podcast, or disco...

In my garage, I have a surplus receiver (small Nakamichi), a BlueTooth receiver attached to the aux port so I can listen to podcasts from my phone, and a pair of outdoor Boston Acoustics speakers mounted on the back wall. Total cost $75.

Virtually any receiver from the '80s or later will work. Most speakers will work. Figure out where you're going to put them and get bookshelf or wall mount, as needed. Bigger is generally better (as in many things...).

Don't overthink it. Flea market, yard sale, Craigslist, eBay, or FB Marketplace are all great sources of inexpensive used gear.
 

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One last suggestion I can think of is to pick up a vintage GE Superradio off of eBay.

Good enough for a garage (for me at least), excellent tuner, makes a superb backup for power outages as a bunch of 'D' cell batteries on analog radios will last some time, actually maintains it's value unlike 99.99% of consumer electronics, kind of cool looking, no wires needed.
 

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I have a JBL Charge 3 which I bought to replace an old stereo I had in my shop, since almost all music is digital these days it just made sense to have the Bluetooth connectivity considering I have most of my iTunes stored on my phone now.

I also bring it to work often with me if I'm operating a machine that doesn't have a stereo system and it's plenty loud.

I actually like the JBL so much that with prime days on Amazon this past week I decided I would get another system to specifically leave in the garage or use when we're out enjoying the fire pit in the backyard.

So I went ahead and purchased the JBL Boombox 2 thinking it would be louder than the Charge 3 but the same size... well.. I was a little wrong lol. It's a literal "boombox" and holy hell I think the neighbors a few doors up can now clearly hear all the country and heavy metal music I blast on a regular basis [emoji23]

That thing is 10x the speaker of the Charge 3 you definitely won't be disappointed with a Bluetooth speaker like that in an enclosed area, or in your back yard with some friends.

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Thanks for all the recommendations. I going to go toward the music streaming scenario. I'm currently waiting for a power line WIFI adaptor to arrive. My shop is 50ft from my house and it is a post frame metal building. I have great WIFI reception right up until I walk into the shop. Since my electrical power connects the house and shop I decided to go with a power line adapter. I have an old laptop I will use to stream the music and will be purchasing some WIFI speakers (undecided on what I'll get). Is there a cheap tablet that would work good for music streaming? My laptop is old and I don't know how long it will last.
 

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A computer is a great streaming device in that it's very flexible. It's not great in that it almost always requires you to use the keyboard and mouse.

I suspect the computer will last just fine so long as it isn't too slow. Keyboards sometimes stop working but a USB keyboard is an easy fix.

A cheap tablet or old smart phone is also a good streaming device. Of course you will need external speakers.

Several have suggested Echo devices. I have an Amazon Fire Tablet 8" that works reasonably well. I got it cheap and don't use it much so I put up with the ads. Adding the google app store means I'm not forced to use only Amazon apps. Still, you can get a new phone like a Moto G(something) for $100. It's more than capable of acting as a source for streaming apps. If you have your own phone just use it.

Do you specifically mean "WiFi" speakers vs Bluetooth or even wired? Wired is often the easiest to deal with if you don't want to move things around. If you laptop and speaker system is going to sit on a shelf, wired is often the way to go. Bluetooth works nicely for short distances. My garage is hardly big enough for two small cars so BT works great anywhere in the place. A garage that's say 20x40 might be too much for some BT options if you want the speakers on the opposite side of the place. WiFi are often more expensive.
 

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For about $100 you could get one of these.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-2...-with-bluetooth-black/6187501.p?skuId=6187501

For about $100 build a pair of these.
https://www.parts-express.com/classix-ii-mt-bookshelf-speaker-kit-with-baffle-only--300-7110

For about $200 you will have a system that will blow the Bose out of the water and you can say you built it. :beer:

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$149 +$85 + $85 + materials + time = :headscrat about $200 (Translate to $40 if she asks).
 

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I just moved the old house stereo out to the shop when I bought a new house stereo. I just stream my Pandora out there using an old Kindle Fire that somebody gave me. Works good so I mounted it on the wall. An old Harmon Kardon 3490 receiver from the 90's powering up 2 pair of Klipsch speakers KG4 & bookshelfs both mounted up 8' off the floor on my shelves. Sounds pretty good and essentially at no cost.
 

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I swapped my Echo Dot for an Echo Flex in the garage. It worked nicely. The device isn't much bigger than the wall wart that came with the Dot. The sound quality out of the built in speaker is poor but if your intent, like mine, is to use external speakers this isn't a problem. In my case it's plugged into an outlet above the bench top so it's easy enough to see and have it hear me. So if your intent is to use external speakers and if you have an outlet where it can hear you, the Flex is a good alternative to the Dot. If you figure the internal speaker will be used then the Dot is much better.

When the Christmas sales start I figure it will be $10 Flex, $20 Dot.
 

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I swapped my Echo Dot for an Echo Flex in the garage. It worked nicely. The device isn't much bigger than the wall wart that came with the Dot. The sound quality out of the built in speaker is poor but if your intent, like mine, is to use external speakers this isn't a problem. In my case it's plugged into an outlet above the bench top so it's easy enough to see and have it hear me. So if your intent is to use external speakers and if you have an outlet where it can hear you, the Flex is a good alternative to the Dot. If you figure the internal speaker will be used then the Dot is much better.

When the Christmas sales start I figure it will be $10 Flex, $20 Dot.

The new Dot is damned impressive, especially for the size and price.

It's still not a radio, though.
 

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The new Dot is damned impressive, especially for the size and price.

It's still not a radio, though.

Yes and no.

No, it is not literally an FM radio so I can't dial in 100.1 and expect to hear the local station. However, it can stream stations so if I want to listen to KFOG, I can just say, "stream KFOG" and listen via the web. I haven't found a station it doesn't stream but I haven't looked very hard either. And of course if my internet is down so is the streaming.

Of course there is also the constantly spying on me aspect.
 
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Yes and no.

No, it is not literally an FM radio so I can't dial in 100.1 and expect to hear the local station. However, it can stream stations so if I want to listen to KFOG, I can just say, "stream KFOG" and listen via the web. I haven't found a station it doesn't stream but I haven't looked very hard either. And of course if my internet is down so is the streaming.

Of course there is also the constantly spying on me aspect.

You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence! I don't like the fact that these devices spy on you.
 

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I have a pair of blue tooth rock speakers. One has a blown speaker. Wife wants to replace it with something else. Im not sure what to get. The speakers are also solar powered but dont work very long unless they're plugged in.
 

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Yes and no.

No, it is not literally an FM radio so I can't dial in 100.1 and expect to hear the local station. However, it can stream stations so if I want to listen to KFOG, I can just say, "stream KFOG" and listen via the web. I haven't found a station it doesn't stream but I haven't looked very hard either. And of course if my internet is down so is the streaming.

Of course there is also the constantly spying on me aspect.

When someone says radio, they generally mean radio.

You can get around some of the spying, but if you've got social media accounts, there's no point. Even this site... There are two data-loggers on this very page right now, and the site has no privacy policy.

Amazon doesn't have an incentive to sell your data, but it's still a comfort level thing. The Echo doesn't "spy" so much as it has to listen for prompts. It wouldn't work otherwise.

Beyond that, it's obviously connected to your prime account, which is data you've agreed to share to begin with.
 
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