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Box End Wrench Contact Points

DavidB

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After reading Joe Mamma's excellent comparison of the open ends of a Wright and Snap On wrench I was curious what the contact points looked like for the box ends. Here is the link to his post: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40058&highlight=wright+grip

So, I decided to test my meager collection of regular sized 9/16" wrenches. I chose 9/16" because thats the only size Snap On wrench I have. (Its a mark against me I know.)

Here are the wrenches.
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1. Craftsman Professional 45978 bought during the great sale on these wrenches last year.
2.Craftsman Raised Panel 12pt Date Code: -V(inverted V)- Purchased during the 90s some time I think.
3.Craftsman Raised Panel 6pt Date Code: -V(inverted V)- Purchased during the 90s some time I think.
4. Promark Taiwan made wrench received sometime in the 90s.
5. Snap On OEX18 No date code. Flank drive. Purchased used.
6. Craftsman Raised Panel Flare Nut Date Code: -V(inverted V)- Purchased during the 2000s some time I think.
7. Craftsman Raised Panel 12 pt Date Code -VV- From my grandfather.

Here are some close up views of the box ends of the wrenches.
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W2.jpg

W3.jpg

W4.jpg

W5.jpg

W6.jpg

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Testing Method
Nuts were purchased from Lowes, colored on 3 sides with a black Sharpie, and numbered. I put a bolt in my vice upside down and then placed a washer on the bolt. I the finger tightened a nut on the bolt and tightened it with a wrench. Each nut was then loosened with the same wrench. A new nut was used for the next wrench and the process was repeated again.

Contact Points
All of the images tend to show a wider contact point near the top. I'm guessing this is due to the angled head on the wrenches. All of the wrenches were used "face up" so that the open end was higher than the box end.

1. Contact points are fairly even and away from the edge.
N1.jpg


2. Contact points are missing from the center and away from the edge. It is possible that I didn't use as much force with this wrench and with more force a complete print would be seen.
N2.jpg


3. Contact points are wider than the 12 pt wrenches. Points are also away from the edge.
N3.jpg


4. Contact points are on the edge and even.
N4.jpg


5. Contact points are fairly even and close to the edge but not on it.
N5.jpg

Here is the same wrench but on different nut. This one was slightly larger (~0.005") than the rest of the nuts.
N5a.jpg


6. Contact points are even and very close to the edge. On the face to the left the contact point seems farther away from the edge.
N6.jpg


7. Contact points are even and on the edges.
N7.jpg



I won't offer much of an opinion since I'm no expert in this stuff. From what I've read to reduce the chance of rounding a fastener you want to move the contact point away from the edge of the face. This is the idea behind Snap On's Flank Drive and everyone who has copied it. This makes sense logically and is evidenced by the fact that the newer and more expensive wrenches do this. I'm pretty sure #4 and #7 would round a faster off before any of the others would. Also with a wrench that moves the contact point away from the edge you have a better chance at removing a fastener that has been rounded.

Anyways, I hope this is informative and I'd be happy to answer any questions. I'd like to test more wrenches and see how they turn out. If I do I'll add them to this post. What are your thoughts?

PS Yes, they did do a great job centering the box end on wrench #7

Update: Upon further review I think the Snap-On wrench is a Flank Drive. At first I thought the wrenches with the shown style of markings didn't have flank drive.
 
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That's a cool comparison to see! I think lay out dye would show the results more clearly. Thanks for taking the time to post this.
 

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Wow! This would make "believers" out of the non-tool-type people out there who think that all wrenches are the same. Thanks for taking all the effort and showing us the results!

Scott
 

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What you have shown is the advantage Snap on had with Flank Drive, and that other manufactures now have that the patent has expired. Why anyone still makes wrenches without this feature is beyond me.
 

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DavidB......I'd say that is a great first post!:thumbup:

By the way PM me...I'd like to send you a Wright 9/16" combo so you can test it.
 

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only thing better is if all the wrenches were new, or at least equally used.

If i get a chance i'll stop by the home improvement store and pick up a few 9/16 nuts and do the test on a newer non flank snap on, and new non-ratcheting gear wrench. I've got some other misc brands as well, but they are all used so no really sure how many times they've been used in the past.
 
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only thing better is if all the wrenches were new, or at least equally used.

It might be worth looking at clamping the wrench under test in a vise and then tightening the bolt into the "painted" nut (held by the wrench) with a torque wrench to a predetermined level. Say 60 footpounds or whatever is perhaps 75% of the typical torque value for that sized fastener.

This would add a degree of uniformity and allow repeatability.

You could also use variations of the same setup for comparing sockets, say 6 point and 12 point, or spline, etc.
 

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DavidB, fantastic post!

:bowdown:

I'm a bit tempted to do the same test on some of my wrenches as well as sockets too :)



PS: Welcome to the forum!
 
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I'm glad everyone is enjoying the test! All of the wrenches except for the Snap On (#5) and the older craftsman 12 pt (#7) are very lightly used if at all. I use my metric tools a lot more than the SAE ones. The test is easy to conduct and cheap too, if you already have the wrenches and/or sockets. I've thought of testing sockets too but I don't have a large variety of them. If anyone does I'd love to see the results of that test too.

Trtoolsupply you're the man! I'll be sending you a PM soon! I'm curious to test a Wright wrench because of the Wright Drive design they speak of in the product catalog.

Nolan, that's a good point. I'll look into trying that.

Thanks for the welcome to the site! I've been lurking for a while and finally decided to sign up.
 
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Yup, Nolan is correct. I put the #2 wrench in the vise between two pieces of wood and onto a bolt put two nuts, a washer, and the test nut. I pressed on the washer lightly with my hand to keep it flush on the wrench. Next, using my HF torque wrench I applied 31 ft-lb to the bolt which, from what I read, is the standard dry torque of a 3/8" grade 5 fastener. Standard dry torque "were calculated to produce a tensile stress in the fastener equal to 70% of the maximum tensile strength or 75% of the proof test." - Pocket Ref by Thomas J. Glover.

Here is the nut from the #2 wrench.
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The marks are more consistent and deeper in the fastener compared to the original #2 nut pictured above. In light of this (and because I'm curious) I'm going to repeat the test on all the wrenches, except for the #6 wrench, once I receive the Wright wrench from Trtoolsupply. I'll see if I can find some more wrenches too. :-D I'm also going to color 5 sides of the nut and index the uncolored side to the beam of the handle to see if there are any differences.
 

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Trtoolsupply you're the man! I'll be sending you a PM soon! I'm curious to test a Wright wrench because of the Wright Drive design they speak of in the product catalog.

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that would be pretty nice to see the wright drive wrench. Are we both talking about the angled spline drive?
 
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that would be pretty nice to see the wright drive wrench. Are we both talking about the angled spline drive?
I think we're talking about different things. I think the angled spline drive is called "Wright Spline" and is described as "The next step beyond Wright Drive" in their catalog. Wright shows the Wright Drive on page 6 of their catalog and Wright Spline on page 8. Here is a link to it. I think it's about 16 MB. http://www.wrighttool.com/pub/catalog_e.pdf
I was refering to Wright Drive which I think is standard in their wrenches but I'm not 100% certain. I'll test whatever wrench I receive from TRTOOLSUPPLY and be sure to list which wrench it is. I'm sure TRTOOLSUPPLY can set us straight on the drive types!
 
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