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plain2car

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hi,
I have a craftsman 33 gal air compressor in my garage. when I turn it on, it will trip the breaker, the breaker is 15 amps. the garage is tied into the GFCI "Curcuit" for the kitchen as well. I am wanting to know if the breaker can be switched out to a 20amp version without causing any risk &/or violating any safety/inspection codes?? The house is 4 yrs old & we bought it new... as well as watched it being built too:p. A friend of mine said that it might depend on the type of wire used & if it can handle 20 amps without getting "hot":shocking:

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.....

thanks!!!:thumbup:

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Your friend is right. It comes down to basic electricity. If that entire circuit from end to end is wired with #12 wire, you can use a 20 amp breaker. If it is wired with #14 wire, you cannot increase the size of the breaker.
Do it wrong, and you can have major problems.
 

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Gary is right, replacing the breaker is a bad idea.

Plug the compressor into a less used circuit.........like the outlet above the garage door opener. I had the same problem with my 33gal Craftsman. They require just enough juice on start up to trip a 15 amp breaker. I plugged it into the GDO circuit and never had another problem. That circuit basically becomes dedicated to the compressor unless you are opening or closing the garage door.

--Joe
 

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Gary is right, replacing the breaker is a bad idea.

Plug the compressor into a less used circuit.........like the outlet above the garage door opener. I had the same problem with my 33gal Craftsman. They require just enough juice on start up to trip a 15 amp breaker. I plugged it into the GDO circuit and never had another problem. That circuit basically becomes dedicated to the compressor unless you are opening or closing the garage door.

--Joe
This is a good idea. I have the same compressor, but have never had an issue, though I had it on it's own dedicated 20A back at the old house, and now it's on a 20A with very little else. IINM, Craftsman recommends it to be on it's own 20A circuit.
 

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A little off topic, but have you guys with the 33 gal Craftsman compressor had any problem with the regulator?
 

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Is it me, or do I see a bunch of code violations in this situation? I don't think shared kitchen and other location circuits are allowed, I don't think 15 amp circuits in the kitchen are allowed (are there not supposed to be two 20 amp circuits minimum?)
 

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Is it me, or do I see a bunch of code violations in this situation? I don't think shared kitchen and other location circuits are allowed, I don't think 15 amp circuits in the kitchen are allowed (are there not supposed to be two 20 amp circuits minimum?)

Nothing wrong with 15 amp kitchen circuits.

I do agree that shared kitchen/garage is wrong but we are not here to dispute if his wiring is up to code, just help the guy keep his compressor running the best way possible.

--Joe
 
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I will double check but I think that the kitchen/garage are the same. is there away to "see" what wire was used? the house is 4 yrs old, but I think I can get my hands on the full set of plans, would that tell me. also the house is built by a very reputable builder & I know the inspections were taking place.

thanks for the responses......

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Is it me, or do I see a bunch of code violations in this situation? I don't think shared kitchen and other location circuits are allowed, I don't think 15 amp circuits in the kitchen are allowed (are there not supposed to be two 20 amp circuits minimum?)

Not allowed to use the 2 required 20A small appliance branch circuit for garage receptacles, can't put a hood, lighting, or over the range microwave on it either, but the fridge & power for a gas range is allowed. 15A small appliance branch circuits are not allowed, but it's OK for 15A DW, disposal, & such.
 

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hi,
I have a craftsman 33 gal air compressor in my garage. when I turn it on, it will trip the breaker,

Well first, the size of the tank has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this. What matters is the motor driving the compressor, and particularly the electrical requirements of that motor. You need to find out two things:

1. - The nominal rated horsepower of that motor, and
2. - It's maximum rated current draw, typically known as either "FLA" (Full Load Amps) or "LRA" (Locked Rotor Amps).

Do NOT trust any other source for this data except the "official" data plate attached directly to that motor. Compressor manufacturers are downright NOTORIOUS for lying through their teeth about this sort of stuff (particularly "Horsepower", since bigger numbers always SEEM better to the mostly-uneducated folks buying these things) in their advertising materials and even in the big flashy graphics emblazoned on the tanks & such.

the breaker is 15 amps. the garage is tied into the GFCI "Curcuit" for the kitchen as well.

That's not good on at least a couple of fronts, and even ignoring your air compressor woes.

I am wanting to know if the breaker can be switched out to a 20amp version without causing any risk &/or violating any safety/inspection codes??

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

You can NEVER just swap out a breaker for a higher-rated one UNLESS you are absolutely certain that the original was UNDERsized vis-a-vis the wiring, which (for reasons I'll expand on in a moment) it near-certainly would not be.

The house is 4 yrs old & we bought it new... as well as watched it being built too:p. A friend of mine said that it might depend on the type of wire used & if it can handle 20 amps without getting "hot":shocking:

As others have pointed out, your friend is exactly correct. Furthemore, with all the talk of shared circuits and such, it's clear that the builder who did your house was like most others, and pinched every penny he could during the construction process. Given that, the odds on him having used AWG 12 wiring (which is the absolute MINIMUM which would be required to use a 20A breaker) on a "15A" circuit is somewhere between "Slim" and "None".

Your friend is right. It comes down to basic electricity. If that entire circuit from end to end is wired with #12 wire, you can use a 20 amp breaker. If it is wired with #14 wire, you cannot increase the size of the breaker.

I agree; but just for the sake of complete clarity, make that "If ANY OF it is wired with #14 wire, you cannot increase the size of the breaker"

Do it wrong, and you can have major problems.

Understatement of the day (if not week).

I will double check but I think that the kitchen/garage are the same.

"The same" in what way?

is there away to "see" what wire was used?

It will ("should") be marked every foot or so on the outer jacket. If you cannot see enough of the jacket to read those markings, you can get a "reasonable indication" (but NOT absolute confirmation) from the color of the jacket; AWG 14 NM-B cable usually has a white or off-white jacket; whereas, (at least newer) AWG 12 NM-B cable usually has a yellow jacket.

the house is 4 yrs old, but I think I can get my hands on the full set of plans, would that tell me.

Very doubtful.

also the house is built by a very reputable builder & I know the inspections were taking place.

You'd be surprised at what "penny-wise and pound-foolish" stuff even so-called "reputable" builders do every day.

Also, just because something meets code does NOT mean that it's done the best possible way. For that matter, just because something passed inspection on any given day does not REALLY mean it even meets code.

 

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Not allowed to use the 2 required 20A small appliance branch circuit for garage receptacles, can't put a hood, lighting, or over the range microwave on it either, but the fridge & power for a gas range is allowed. 15A small appliance branch circuits are not allowed, but it's OK for 15A DW, disposal, & such.

Yep, that was my understanding too... ;)
 
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ok guys I did some checking today the kitchen & garage are both separate gfci circuits. the breakers of both are at 15amp though. I am sure that the wire would be the min. that would be required as stated above. I just don't understand that atleast in the garage & maybe even the kitchen that the builders now would atleast install 20amp capability. sooo..... am I stuck with the current "lack of power"?? I guess I would have to have a electrician come in & "re-wire" the garage for atleast 20amps thru out it??

thanks again for thoughts and ideas.....

plain2car
 

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You don't have to rewrite, just add a new 20 amp circuit. Depending on where your panel is, this could be very easy.
 

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I think I recall GFCI Circuits not playing well with electric motors. If I'm right that could be your problem. You should do it right and run a few new 20amp circuits to your garage I always seem to need a outlet where there is none to be found in mine.

GFCI Circuits with electric motors (Electricians seem to have split opinions on this)
http://ask-the-electrician.com/inductive-motor-loads-can-trip-gfci-outlets/
 
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Norcal

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I think I recall GFCI Circuits not playing well with electric motors. If I'm right that could be your problem. You should do it right and run a few new 20amp circuits to your garage I always seem to need a outlet where there is none to be found in mine.

GFCI Circuits with electric motors (Electricians seem to have split opinions on this)
http://ask-the-electrician.com/inductive-motor-loads-can-trip-gfci-outlets/

If your GFCI is tripping all the time, check your equipment, the GFCI is doing the job it's designed to do.
 
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plain2car

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all, thanks for the info. I re-ran the wire(s) with 12awg romex wire. & put 20amp lugs & breakers as well. a friend of mine does electrical work & helped me & made sure all was in code & safe.... the compressor along with my welder (new) work fine & I have not tripped the breakers.....

thanks again for the time & info.....

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