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My meter is spinning even with the house water off. My bill was like $175 higher this month.

I can't see and soft spots or other problems. I could dig down and fix it. But how in the world do you find out where it's leaking? Are there any special tools for this kind of thing?
 
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I have a crawl space. I was just under there last week upgrading my internet, and I didn't see any puddles or drips. I assume it's leaking somewhere in the yard between the meter and the house, but it's like 80 feet or so of distance.
 

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I imagine its going to be tough to find especially in the winter. I dont know how your meters are but can you see any water at the meter box ? Will your city / county come out and take a look ? I would imagine in Idaho the line is pretty deep :(
 

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If there aren't leaks in the house, seems pretty obvious that it is in the yard. Time to replace the line
 

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In Phx I had this a couple years back. Was pretty clear where the leak was. Dug it up. Union from the pvc to copper cracked.
 

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Just had this happen to me two weeks ago. Two folks came out in the plumbing truck and had it located and fixed within three hours for $350. Since I can no longer do this type of maintenance work, it was money well spent. I live rural, and the part they needed wasn't on the truck. Some of that three hours was spent going to town to get the part.
 
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The meter is at the street. House is from the 90s. I have no idea how it can be leaking 1 gallon per minute and not be making a lake somewhere, but I can't see anything out of the ordinary at either end or anywhere in between.
 

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I gallon a minute will make a lake or a sink hole. better walk it again. Turn the main off at the house to verify it is between the house and main. There could be a pond forming in the back yard if there are broken irrigation lines.
 

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Look up a leak detection service. There are a couple of methods:
- Correlating loggers (only works on metallic lines)
- He Leak detection - pump helium into line and detect with a helium detector

One of these methods should be able to pinpoint the leak
 

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The meter is at the street. House is from the 90s.

Talk to the water company and they will probably take off the extra usage or at least not charge you sanitation on the extra usage. If you have polybutylene you're probably looking at about $4k to run new from the meter box to the house. Good luck, hope it's just something else and a simpler fix.
 

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The meter is at the street. House is from the 90s. I have no idea how it can be leaking 1 gallon per minute and not be making a lake somewhere, but I can't see anything out of the ordinary at either end or anywhere in between.
You are in Idaho ? Unless I am totally wrong I would imagine the ground is pretty frozen for the top foot or more there. Probably all staying underground. How deep is the meter ? Can you get down to it with something to see if you can hear water running ? Long mechanics stethoscope ?
 

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My local water utility will forgive the occasional leak, I think only once in a 12 month period. The request needs to be accompanied with evidence of the repair, usually a Plumbers Bill.
 
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It's Idaho but here in Boise it's not really frozen I don't think. The meter itself is in a well and not too far down but it looks like the water line goes a good 3 feet deep.
 
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The meter is at the street. House is from the 90s. I have no idea how it can be leaking 1 gallon per minute and not be making a lake somewhere, but I can't see anything out of the ordinary at either end or anywhere in between.
depends of soil structures and the water table structure. A lot of sandy/gravel soils a GPM wouldn't do anything.
 

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does shutting the main off at the house entry stop it? Are there irrigation lines that also run off the main that have separate shut offs? Make sure it is between the house and street main, if say there is a outlet in the back yard it could be there also.
 

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Look up a leak detection service. There are a couple of methods:
- Correlating loggers (only works on metallic lines)
- He Leak detection - pump helium into line and detect with a helium detector

One of these methods should be able to pinpoint the leak

This is what you want. Should take a competent person a few minutes to sort out unless your front yard is massive.

We had not one, not two but three leaks in our main line between the meter and the side of our house over the last decade and a half. Once where the PVC connected after the meter, once where the PVC met the copper going into the house. The last one was somewhere between, probably thanks to the roots from our pine tree.

I used locator services on the first two, money well spent. The third time I'd had enough, so I paid to have the entire line replaced with a brand new pex line, end to end, and located even further out from the tree. Should be the last time I ever have to mess with it, and I should have done it the first time.
 
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Shutting off the main valve in the house doesn't do anything. The valve is in a central closet and shuts down the whole house, but the meter keeps spinning.

I looked at the meter but I can't see any other valve out by the street to turn off. I can't figure that. I know that if you don't pay your bill they have to have a way to turn off the water, but maybe they have special tools to turn off the meter itself? Because I don't see a valve out there.

Edit... after googling I guess there's a quarter turn valve built into the meter that didn't look like a valve to me but it has padlock ears on it so that must be it. Any harm in turning that off every night until I get it fixed?
 
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Edit... after googling I guess there's a quarter turn valve built into the meter that didn't look like a valve to me but it has padlock ears on it so that must be it. Any harm in turning that off every night until I get it fixed?
Yep, that's what you want. It will be stiff the first times. You can hit a hardware store and buy a wrench so it's easier to keep turning it on and off til you get things fixed. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Orbit-Water-Shut-Off-Curb-Key/3131069
 

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Don't force that old stiff valve. In my jurisdiction if you break it you bought it. And by that I mean the city's labor rate.
 

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Get, or make, a probe & walk the line between the meter & the point water comes into your house. Probe every few feet until you come up wet, or water follows the probe out of the ground. Dig there & you'll find the break. Then use the key/wrench JRC3 referenced to turn the water off while you fix the leak. When you turn the water back on you'll need to flush your water lines because there will be dirt from the repair in them. Good time to remove & clean all the aerators on your faucets.
 

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This happened to me at this house.
The original outgoing line to the sewer was made of a product called "Orangeburg" (or so I was told).
The original incoming steel line had been replaced at some point with 1-1/2" black plastic pipe. When they replaced it, they did not lay down a bed of pea gravel or sand - they dropped it right down in the hole and buried it.
At a point where the pipe was on top of the sharp edge of a rock, over time the incoming pipe developed a leak.
The jet of water coming out of the incoming line blew a hole through the side of the outgoing line, which was (in violation of local codes) buried only about a foot away from the incoming line.
When I got the water bill for $1400.00, I called the utility company to get it sorted out.
They sent a guy out to look, who told me "Yeah, you got a gusher going here!"
Two contractors and $8000.00 later, I had new incoming and outgoing lines.

Generally speaking, the local utility district does not want you screwing around with their meter or the shut-off valve at the meter. As noted above, you are liable for any damages to their equipment.
You should have a water shut-off at the house. (Unfortunately not all houses do. This one didn't, even though code required it when the house was built - go figure.)

The plumbing contractor who did the work here told me about half the houses in Tacoma were plumbed with the "Orangeburg" pipes going to the sewer. He noted that he didn't have to worry about job security for himself or his son - ever.
 

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Talk to the water company and they will probably take off the extra usage or at least not charge you sanitation on the extra usage. If you have polybutylene you're probably looking at about $4k to run new from the meter box to the house. Good luck, hope it's just something else and a simpler fix.
$4000?? That's crazy for 80' of PVC pipe.

I've had my own leak problems with polybutylene pipe in my '94 house, fortunately I found the leak very early and a easily and learned that Sharkbite made a PB->PEX coupling. Was an easy patch. But I'm going to need to replace ALL the PB hose as soon as I can get to it. Running out of time before summer heat makes the attic work much more difficult.
 

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Talk to the water company and they will probably take off the extra usage or at least not charge you sanitation on the extra usage. If you have polybutylene you're probably looking at about $4k to run new from the meter box to the house. Good luck, hope it's just something else and a simpler fix.

My house was built in 1978, that was plumbed with a main line from polybutylene

It broke about 5 years ago and I have ot all replaced from the curb valve into rhe basement

Was buried 8 feet down and was a $5,000 job

We are on a community treated well, with no meter

The old line was very brittle

Glad i didn't have it patched and replaced it all
 

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many water companies will come out right away if you call them to tell them it needs to be turned off due to a leak.
Many years ago, the local water service loaned me a wrench for the weekend, after finding on Friday afternoon the water flowing out of the meter pit.
Told me to turn it on, when we needed water, and then shut it off. repeat as necessary. So the weekend was spent turning the meter on and off. Did I mention it was in January? Had to take off coat and shirt to reach down into pit to use wrench by feel.
Monday AM was able to get plumber to fix the pipe between the meter and house.
 

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Any chance you have an irrigation system? A lot of times it’s tapped right after the main. So if you have a valve open or broken the water could be leaking in that area instead of the path where the line to your house runs.

Steve
 
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Good tip. I do have a sprinkler system. I checked my sprinkler valve is turned off, but I suppose it could be leaking past. Even if it were leaking past though, it shouldn't consume water unless I also have a leaking sprinkler system.
 
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