Bryant BR breakers the same as Eaton BR?
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wyliesdiesels
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Crouse hinds was renamed to murray when siemens acquired Crouse hinds.
Murray Mp is the replacement breaker for Crouse hinds MP.
Are you sure its listed for original bryant breakers?
Do you have the panel label?
Eaton acquired Bryant and got BR breakers classified for use in many old obsolete panels so Eaton BR may be classified for crouse hinds but i dont remember off hand. Would need to look at BR chart.
Yes, They even call for Westinhouse hqp breaker, I just found this at HD web sight.
"The UL-listed breaker is compatible with Westinghouse, Challenger and Bryant load centers and has a maximum load of 240-Volt."
"Type BR breakers are UL approved genuine replacement breakers for load centers made by Westinghouse, Challenger and Bryant"
wyliesdiesels
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I wouldnt trust info from Home Depot.
they get a lot of things wrong.
And I wasnt asking about the UL listing of the Eaton BR breakers.
I was asking about your panel listings.
Do you have the panel label
Ive never seen a crouse hinds panel with listings for original bryant breakers is the reason im asking.
wyliesdiesels
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I just did some digging and I have not found anything that says Bryant was ever listed for use in crouse hinds panels.
Bryant was owned by Westinghouse which was a different company than Murray/crouse hinds.
So do you have a pic of your panel label?
I would just use a murray as those are the direct replacement/successor to the Crouse hinds product line.
interesting.
Ive never seen that.
Apparently they werent very smart as most competitors want you to only use their breakers in their panels so they make more money.
Bryant was owned by Westinghouse which was a different company than Murray/crouse hinds.
So do you have a pic of your panel label?
I would just use a murray as those are the direct replacement/successor to the Crouse hinds product line.
interesting.
Ive never seen that.
Apparently they werent very smart as most competitors want you to only use their breakers in their panels so they make more money.
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Murray got bought out by Arrow-Hart, then Crouse-Hinds, then Cooper, then Siemens. Or something like that. My guess is that wide breaker selection was marketing to get their name out there on as many panels as possible. This was when most panels only had a handful of breakers - they made more money from the panels than the breakers. That is the opposite of today with all the AFCI requirements.
It is common to find these old panels with Bryant breakers.
It is common to find these old panels with Bryant breakers.
Have seen a number of Crouse-Hinds panels that said that ITE, Westinghouse were OK for their panels, BR is nothing more then a reincarnation of Zinsco. Murray is easy to find at Home Depot, IMHO always better to use a OEM replacement.
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maksimus54
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They are not at all the same. BR Bryant and BR Eaton/Cutler hammer are the same. Zinsco is a completely different breaker that are not remotely close.
Regarding the Murray panel it's already been mentioned, but the Murray MP are likely the correct replacement, if the panel schedule is intact it should tell you what replacements are appropriate. MP is likely, BR is possible.
md21722
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Norcal does not like BR breakers, thinks they're ****, hence the reference to Zinsco.
I have an older Crouse Hinds panel too. What I did was to call & get conformation
Call : Kenneth Fretz
Siemens Industry Inc
Customer Support
866- 663 7324
He will be more than helpful, in my case he sent a follow up email confirming the breakers and arc fault breakers to use. - print it and save it in case an inspector has any questions
Call : Kenneth Fretz
Siemens Industry Inc
Customer Support
866- 663 7324
He will be more than helpful, in my case he sent a follow up email confirming the breakers and arc fault breakers to use. - print it and save it in case an inspector has any questions
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I'm not sure when panel schedules became standard.
People didn't nitpick over such things back in the day.
Panel data sheets have been around for decades, but they don't always stand the test of time, the fact that Crouse-Hinds allowed the use of competitive makes was a good thing, breakers need to be made physically non-interchangeable between makes, or be UL listed to be used in any panel.
Regarding my dislike of BR frame breakers & panels, 37 years ago I had issues with BR breakers & hated them ever since, starting when they were branded Westinghouse, (Bryant had always been part of Westinghouse) & when Challenger was bought by them, they shared a lot of products including the use of Zinsco design main breakers in their loadcenters, their always has to be a product at the bottom of the heap, BR is the cheapie line & is the intended spot for the product line.