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"Budget" Single Phase 5HP Compressor Motor ?

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Picked up a 60 gallon 5HP compressor super cheap, it's got a 3-phase motor on it.

Would like to find an inexpensive single phase replacement for it.

Was curious if there were any recommendations for a decent quality budget-priced motor.

Thanks!
 
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I bought a WEG a year ago. Best deal I could find at the time for a real 5HP
Was $254 shipped but I think your over well $300 these days.
Avoid the SPL Horsepower rated ones...
 

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You can try Automation Direct, and put a variable frequency. Drive” vfd”on it. They also sell them on Amazon.
 
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15-16 amps which is the max copper wire and the breaker will allow, at least over here.
That comment is kind of confusing! First, where is "over here" and second, what does it have to do with the OP buying a 5 HP motor?
 

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5 hp is about 3.7 kW, do the math with the mentioned 240 V (if you have stable 240 V) and you'll get a roughly 15.5 A drawn. Not factoring in cos (fi), so that's nowhere near 25 amps.
 

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5 hp is about 3.7 kW, do the math with the mentioned 240 V (if you have stable 240 V) and you'll get a roughly 15.5 A drawn. Not factoring in cos (fi), so that's nowhere near 25 amps.
Show me a 5 HP motor on 240 volts that draws 15 amps. I would really love to see one!

I think you are missing out that HP, KW and amps loose a bit with motor efficiency. Most motors are around 75% efficiency so that 15.5 amps gets a bit over 20 amps. Plus I have seen a lot of 5 HP motors over the years and never saw one less than maybe 22 amps. The on on my 5 HP compressor is tagged 27 amps.

Post a link to your 15 amp 5 HP motor, if you don't mind.

Here is a page from the Grainger catalog. I will admit I was surprised to see a couple 3450 RPM motors under 20 amps. I suppose they are improving efficiencies a bit, or perhaps over rating motors a tiny bit. (I suspect the second!)

https://www.grainger.com/search/mot...+motor+1ph&searchBar=true&tier=Not+Applicable
 

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I had to do the same thing. I replaced the 3-phase motor with a Century AC compressor duty motor - 5hp, 240v, 22 amp. Make sure you match the frame designation when you get your replacement.
 

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Show me a 5 HP motor on 240 volts that draws 15 amps. I would really love to see one!

I think you are missing out that HP, KW and amps loose a bit with motor efficiency. Most motors are around 75% efficiency so that 15.5 amps gets a bit over 20 amps. Plus I have seen a lot of 5 HP motors over the years and never saw one less than maybe 22 amps. The on on my 5 HP compressor is tagged 27 amps.

Post a link to your 15 amp 5 HP motor, if you don't mind.

Here is a page from the Grainger catalog. I will admit I was surprised to see a couple 3450 RPM motors under 20 amps. I suppose they are improving efficiencies a bit, or perhaps over rating motors a tiny bit. (I suspect the second!)

https://www.grainger.com/search/mot...+motor+1ph&searchBar=true&tier=Not+Applicable
It's called rated power which is subject to efficiency. That's why I said not factoring in cos (fi). It won't do 5 HP. If it draws 20 amps then it's not a 5 HP motor but more.
I just checked my silent compressor and it draws 2.9 amps while charging. According to rated power it should be 3.2 amps. Roughly 90% efficiency. Everything checks out.

Seeing real power delivery data is something you rarely ever see.
 

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It's called rated power which is subject to efficiency. That's why I said not factoring in cos (fi). It won't do 5 HP. If it draws 20 amps then it's not a 5 HP motor but more.
I just checked my silent compressor and it draws 2.9 amps while charging. According to rated power it should be 3.2 amps. Roughly 90% efficiency. Everything checks out.

Seeing real power delivery data is something you rarely ever see.
That's like saying "ignoring gravity" or "ignoring aerodynamic drag." Yes, we did that in school to simplify problem solving, but one does not simply ignore power factor in the real world. It is a fact of physics, so the branch circuit must be sized to supply the apparent power or you will regret it. Power factor does not impact net power consumption by much, but it does impact wire sizing.
 

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That is exactly why you do NOT label a machine with real power output. Almost everyone uses rated power (power INPUT if you will, or gross power). Consider it like this: "your machine will not draw more power than *this*". The average Joe can simply look at the data and decide if it'll pop the breaker or not. Whereas stating real (net) power output will leave the average Joe confused because he needs to factor in wasted power which is unknown unless you go through a lengthy data sheet (if it's available at all). A 5 HP motor is not a 5 HP motor but it draws power equal to a 5 HP motor at 100% efficiency. How efficient the motor really is doesn't matter if "wire sizing" is your issue. This is common practice everywhere because it's transparent and easy.
 
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I bought a WEG a year ago. Best deal I could find at the time for a real 5HP
Was $254 shipped but I think your over well $300 these days.
Avoid the SPL Horsepower rated ones...
Definitely will avoid the SPL/"special" junk.

Do you have a model of your WEG motor?

Quick googling for "WEG 5HP compressor motor" is coming back with $500-$800 results

Far more than I want to sink into this - at those prices, I'm inclined to try my luck with a Chinese-import off of Amazon, like "Vevor" or something.
 

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Definitely will avoid the SPL/"special" junk.

Do you have a model of your WEG motor?

Quick googling for "WEG 5HP compressor motor" is coming back with $500-$800 results

Far more than I want to sink into this - at those prices, I'm inclined to try my luck with a Chinese-import off of Amazon, like "Vevor" or something.
You don’t need to avoid them, you just have to know what you are looking at.
 

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Picked up a 60 gallon 5HP compressor super cheap, it's got a 3-phase motor on it.

Would like to find an inexpensive single phase replacement for it.

Was curious if there were any recommendations for a decent quality budget-priced motor.

Thanks!
what frame is it? i've got a 3.7kW/5HP WEG 56HZ frame i might be willing to trade.
 

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Picked up a 60 gallon 5HP compressor super cheap, it's got a 3-phase motor on it.

Would like to find an inexpensive single phase replacement for it.

Was curious if there were any recommendations for a decent quality budget-priced motor.

Thanks!
What pump is on that unit? Typically 60 gallon compressors are 15-17 amp units. They used to get really big power numbers but now are typically rated around 3hp. It would be a waste to buy a true 5hp motor for a 3hp pump. However, some high end 60 gallon units did come with good pumps so don't assume 60 gal = cheap compressor.
 

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Can you provide more information?

I was under the assumption that this was a way to avoid providing accurate specifications.
I think the idea is you can ignore the HP rating. If you look at the plate and see the motor is drawing 15, 20, 25 or whatever amps at a known voltage, as long as the motor is rated for continuous duty, you know what you're getting. You don't need to worry about what the advertised HP is.
 

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Definitely will avoid the SPL/"special" junk.

Do you have a model of your WEG motor?

Quick googling for "WEG 5HP compressor motor" is coming back with $500-$800 results

Far more than I want to sink into this - at those prices, I'm inclined to try my luck with a Chinese-import off of Amazon, like "Vevor" or something.
no model number off hand, ebay listing is gone, UPE Group was the seller.
It is a 56 frame 5/8in shaft. Again it's been a bit over a year and I really dug hard to find the best real 5hp on the cheap.
Inflation... but 200-300% is out of control.
 
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Personally, I'd be looking at a VFD to run the existing motor, assuming it'll run on 3-phase 220V, rather than changing the motor. There will be a line from the Non-Return Valve to the pressure switch. It releases the pressure between the pump and the NRV so the first couple of turns of the pump are not against pressure, giving the motor a relatively easy start. I'd tee into that line with a normally-open solenoid valve, closed by an "at speed" signal from the VFD to allow a slower ramp-up (I tend to use 10 seconds by default for most VFD applications). The pressure switch would just give a run signal to the VFD. You can get single-phase 220V in, 3-phase 220V out 5 HP VFDs for not much money.
 

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Can you provide more information?

I was under the assumption that this was a way to avoid providing accurate specifications.
It is. They don’t list a h.p. number, but they will generally have an FLA number, from which to deduce horsepower from. Sometimes the number is trickier, expressing it in kilowatts or KVA or something that makes it not easy to know what it is.
 
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What pump is on that unit? Typically 60 gallon compressors are 15-17 amp units. They used to get really big power numbers but now are typically rated around 3hp. It would be a waste to buy a true 5hp motor for a 3hp pump. However, some high end 60 gallon units did come with good pumps so don't assume 60 gal = cheap compressor.
I'll have to go figure it out, see if I can find any markings on the pump.

It's a Quincy compressor, pretty confident it's a legit 5HP pump. Not assuming it's a cheap compressor, just that I got it cheap.
 
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Personally, I'd be looking at a VFD to run the existing motor, assuming it'll run on 3-phase 220V, rather than changing the motor. There will be a line from the Non-Return Valve to the pressure switch. It releases the pressure between the pump and the NRV so the first couple of turns of the pump are not against pressure, giving the motor a relatively easy start. I'd tee into that line with a normally-open solenoid valve, closed by an "at speed" signal from the VFD to allow a slower ramp-up (I tend to use 10 seconds by default for most VFD applications). The pressure switch would just give a run signal to the VFD. You can get single-phase 220V in, 3-phase 220V out 5 HP VFDs for not much money.
Why a VFD over a native motor?

Seems to be adding more complication than I need.
 

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I'll have to go figure it out, see if I can find any markings on the pump.
See if it has a label like the one in the attached photo. If it is a 3-phase motor, the chances are high that the compressor came out of a commercial shop and should be pretty heavy-duty.
 

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VFD's are cheaper than a new motor, and 3 phase motors are inherently "better" than single phase motors for a variety of reasons.
A 5hp VFD is $600-1200. Getting a 5hp single phase motor on the low end of that range shouldn't be all that hard

Or are you able to source a 5hp VFD for much less than that?
 

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2. I was correcting your math

5 hp is about 3.7 kW, do the math with the mentioned 240 V (if you have stable 240 V) and you'll get a roughly 15.5 A drawn. Not factoring in cos (fi), so that's nowhere near 25 amps.

Locked rotor FLA from the motor data plate is the standard metric. Actual running amperage will be different obviously.
 

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A 5hp VFD is $600-1200. Getting a 5hp single phase motor on the low end of that range shouldn't be all that hard

Or are you able to source a 5hp VFD for much less than that?

The fuji frenic 3hp drives (ignore the hp ratings and just go off the data plate FLA) Is a 12FLA drive. The last couple I bought were in the low $200s. I'd expect a 5hp 3p motor to be 12-13 FLA.
 

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How do I tell this?
post a pic of the data plate
A 5hp VFD is $600-1200. Getting a 5hp single phase motor on the low end of that range shouldn't be all that hard

Or are you able to source a 5hp VFD for much less than that?
most single phase 5hp compressor motors are 56 frame. I've never seen a 56 frame 5HP 3 phase motor, so you'll need a new base plate, sheave, possibly a different belt, etc. it all adds up, time and money.
 

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I think he meant "real" 5hp. That's an SPL rated motor
13.4A*208V*1.73*.8=3800W. that's pretty close. input power is 4800W, so 80% efficient. the numbers line up...

here's the single phase equivalent:
 
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13.4A*208V*1.73*.8=3800W. that's pretty close. input power is 4800W, so 80% efficient. the numbers line up...

here's the single phase equivalent:
Thats the same I bought a YR ago but different shaft dia... Pretty good deal for TODAY. Looks like other variations available at the same price point.

But 5HP is still under sized from Original. :ROFLMAO:
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Pump has been used Hard and eventually it will die and get a pump worthy of the New Motor.
 
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