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Buffalo No.18 Drill Press ... VFD?

JohnWelder

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Got this home today after searching for an older drill press in good shape for some time now. This one seems like it lived it's life as a tapping machine as it came with a small commander tapping head. Was originally thinking I'd convert over to single phase, but as it purrs like a kitten and the machine is original I think I'm going to go with a VFD.




Any recommendations as to VFD brands for this beast? I'd like to be able to run it in reverse as well... I have only single phase power at the shop.

 
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Depends on what all features you want and your price range. Lenze makes a few nice units in the mid range that have some very handy programmable features for a drill press. Otherwise a basic Teco, Hitachi or the like would be cheaper.
 

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I have a No. 18 Buffalo like yours but mine has a smaller table without the lift. I used the 3ph motor with a homemade coverter untill one day i found a single ph motor in my junk. I want to build a lift someday it would be very handy.
 

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If your going to use the VFD mainly as a phase converter then get the VFD and be happy. If you plan on doing light drilling at high speed I would caution you against overspeeding that old motor. I'd set the max speed at no more than 65-70 hertz and the minimum at something above 30hz. Work in that range and the motor will be happy, get outside that range then you risk throwing a winding or overheating. With an inverter rated motor, which that one is not, you have a lot wider speed range.

Nice drill press and I am jealous.

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I have a TECO FM50 on my Powermatic 1200 1hp drill press. I finally wired in a 10k speed pot, forward & reverse switch and a jog button. It works awesome, highly recommend wiring the external switches to the VFD as the small buttons on the VFD panel are annoying to manipulate with greasy hands and it's much easier to adjust speed with the speed pot than pushing a button.

I have video of mine on YouTube if you search for powermatic 1200 VFD it should come up.
 
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JohnWelder

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Thanks it does seem to be a neat machine, and it's ancient :)

My main goal with the VFD was simply 3 phase and reverse along with being able to play with the speeds somewhat. The simple TECO's seem like a pretty good deal as I don't really need too many frills. I will definitely have to read up on the hertz range that I can run though the motor without damaging it... Seems the press has a range from 2000-265rpm in 5 ranges which should match most of my drilling needs especially with a VFD.

-sailah that powermatic is a nice looking machine!

I did however find some damage to the machine which I should have looked at when I got it, but the price was good so I wanted to get out the door... Seems the pulley on the motor is missing 3 ranges... Suggestions on where to find a replacment? :(

 

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Grainger has step pulleys but someone will probably offer a better option shortly.
 

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Since you can control the speed with the VFD why bother replacing the pulley? At least wait until you have the VFD hooked up and see what kind of speed control you get following Larry G's advice regarding Hz range.
 
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Since you can control the speed with the VFD why bother replacing the pulley? At least wait until you have the VFD hooked up and see what kind of speed control you get following Larry G's advice regarding Hz range.

It's as problem as even with a VFD under those recommendations I'd only have from ~130-500 rpm. Whereas with the pulleys I'd have from ~130-2300 rpm which would make it suitable for almost all of my drilling.

Need an aftermarket pulley....


2mJps Could you measure the step sizes of your motor pulley?
 
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That is a beauty. Well done, I agree it is worth a VFD.
 

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I picked up a Buffalo 18 last year for 70 bucks.. it has a slow speed pulley setup. Not sure how factory it is. Haven't done much with it yet... I'll get it working one of these days.
 

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There are 5 ways to go re: VFD:

1. TECO FM50
-cheap from dealerselectric.com (call them -- this model VFD has been rebadged by many sellers, and you can often get one badged GE or something for even less).
- Everyone uses these
- NOT COOLANT / CHIP PROOF -- you'll smoke the VFD if chips get in. Put it far away from the action or get it into a NEMA 4 box.
CONS: NOT sensorless vector control, so torque suffers at lower speeds. Not ideal for a drill press...

2. TECO JNEV
-Like the FM50 but with sensorless vector control. Worth it, since your torque improves at lower speeds. Still pretty cheap. Same problems with coolant/chips/smoking unless you buy the NEMA 4X version. Many people build their own enclosures...I did this with my first one, and found it took forever and cost as much as upgrading to the NEMA 4X version.

3. KBAC
- In my opinion, this is the way to go. Aluminum instead of plastic enclosure, NEMA 4x out of the box (so no problems getting it wet with coolant or covered in metal dust/chips).
-This is what Burr King and KMG grinders use from the factory
-Since they have NEMA 4X enclosures already, they are actually cheaper (or the same as) buying the TECO units+buying NEMA enclosures for them

Here's where to get them (no affiliation, but have shopped around a fair amount):
http://www.electricmotorwholesale.com/DRIVES-KBAC-NEMA4X.html

Here's the one I would buy for your drill:
http://www.electricmotorwholesale.com/9987-KBAC-24D/

$240 gets you a VFD that has been industry-proven with an aluminum, NEMA 4X case that will run your 1hp, 3PH motor on any household 115v single phase outlet. They will configure the VFD with a reversing switch for an additional $20, or add your own.

4. KBDA VFD
- Same as above, but with digital readouts and more bells and whistles
http://www.electricmotorwholesale.com/DRIVES-KBDA-NEMA4.html

5. Get a cheap, non-NEMA4 VFD on ebay and don't worry too much if you smoke it.


After playing with VFD's quite a bit, I strongly recommend a KBAC or KBDA unit with NEMA 4X rating, or just grab a cheap one on Ebay and don't worry about it.

ALSO, all of the VFD's above can be purchased to run your drill press on 115v (single phase household power), but confirm this before you buy since they all can be purchased without this option.

Pro-tip #2 -- Use liquid-tight conduit and fittings from your VFD to your motor. Mcmaster-Carr carries them (search 'liquid tight conduit')

P.S. nice drill press!! I haven't seen a slow-speed Buffalo 18 with both the production table and the table raising crank. You found a nice machine.
 
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Catalytic - Thanks that's some great information there. Wasn't aware the TECO's were so sensitive, I imagine grinder dust does them in too? That KBAC-24D looks like it might suit the bill quite well :drool:


Figured out my pulley dilemma.

Apparently the Buffalo Machine's still makes parts for these as per http://www.bmt-usa.com/index.html. However as they wanted $300 plus shipping... Oh and they "don't disclose" information about the stock pulley step diameters :dunno: and to "give them a call when I got tired of searching for an alternative". Not the best win over customers...

Fortunately It's simple algebra to get the pulley step sizes of you know the spindle speed in each range, have the motor rpm, and measure the motor pulley steps. Found a nice Clausing pulley with almost identical measurements (it will actually run slightly slower :thumbup:) on ebay for a fraction of the price. Has a 1" bore instead of a 3/4 bore, but that's what sleeve adapters are for. If anyone's interested I'll update this when the new pulley comes in and I install it.





 
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Got the new pulley setup on the drill press. Also got me VFD in the mail today, but alas no time to install till this weekend likely :(



The pulley came off a clausing drill spindle... Had an inside diameter of .98. My sleeve adapter had an inside of .75 and an outside of 1" so had to file it down a little before it was a smooth fit.

 
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JohnWelder

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Got the VFD wired up, reused the cool old switch to arm the box. Will give it a test run tomorrow after the bus capacitor has time to charge up.



 
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