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Pedro86

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Im 6 months now into my professional career
I already have a truck account(franchise), I almost always ask for repo`d, used tools, etc.. ebay, craigslist, so forth.. (and as usual, most people are willing to let you borrow tools for a while, but as time goes on....)

Really, Im just wondering- do you guys have any thoughts, experiences, advice you can share on other ways to build a collection of professional tools?

pros and cons of getting a line of credit from snap on- corporate? (whats their intrest normally like?)
 
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The way I'd do it if you can't afford to pay cash in full every visit is to start with buying some small necessities (cash) and build a relationship with the truck guy. After a few transactions, ask him how he works his truck accounts. Most are zero or very low interest. If he sets you up, he'll tell you what he'd like for payment each week. If you can at all afford it, make your payments higher than the minimum. Be careful to keep your balance as low as you can as having a running tab in a tool truck can get pretty dangerous! If at all possible though, id advise staying away from snap on corporate credit, unless you like paying close to double retail by the time it's paid off. I don't know first hand but if they're like any other credit company, interest rates can run around 21-22%
 

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Don't get hung up on "professional" tools. Buy what you can afford now and replace what you use the most with better quality later. You don't need a $100 snap-on wrench to tighten a wheel bearing when a $10 HF one will last three lifetimes. The worst that will happen is you'll end up with some duplicates. Better than giving the money to the finance company.
 

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What are you going to be doing? Are you specializing, or do you know what you will need for what you are getting into?
 

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i'd start with craftsman and then replace what breaks with better tools off a truck,
 
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Diesel- tractor mechanic is what ive been doing so far. Im interested in furthering my training to- like with manufacturer training program, but- thats probably after ive got about another year under my belt...



well, i guess the general consensus is a no go on credit accounts lol

im hourly, so it all makes me money lol :p
 

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Save your money and pay cash for what you can afford - you'll sleep better at night!
 

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Really, Im just wondering- do you guys have any thoughts, experiences, advice you can share on other ways to build a collection of professional tools?

pros and cons of getting a line of credit from snap on- corporate? (whats their intrest normally like?)

Building a collection of tools? Buy once cry once. If you buy cheapy stuff then replace as time goes buy you will spend more in the long run and regret it (ask me how I know). If you buy high end stuff to start with and never replace, you come out ahead. Another piece of advice...buy used high end stuff as much as possible then find a way to warranty it for a new replacement.

Credit? Depends. A revolving snap-on truck acount has no interest...so I say go for it. Use it as much as he will let you. Snap-on financial on the other hand has high interest...so I say use it as a last resort.
 

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have a matco guy? I purchased the ADV series sockets great price and good sized sets get the job done! A good 1/2 ratchet/ 3/8 flex head/ 1/4 flex along with a 3/8 impact/1/2 impact and a air ratchet is the bare necessities and build from there. What line of work are you into?????
 

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http://www.toolsdelivered.com/Hand-Tools_c_2181.html



My advice? Skip the chrome, that is a specialty item you can get some other time. Leave the chrome for the polishers in the garage. What really needs to be done is a very complete impact set up.

That means ratchets are a specialty item too. Go ahead and get best you can afford, but they may not see as much use as some people claim. It's all about the pneumatics/electrics, the chrome is a backup/specialty item.

Really, it is about your hammers and prybars, air tools, and impact sockets.

Right angle drill, low rpm drill, air ratchets, 3/8 impact, 1/2 impact, 1/4 impactor, air hammers, die grinders, cutoff wheels, that is where the money is. Yes I use all of them.
 
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If you find yourself borrowing the same tools, buy them first. If you are going to stay in the business, buy good tools first and they should last you a lifetime. When I started out, I had a lot of Craftsman tools and got tired of going down to Sears to get them replaced and then find them out of the replacement. If you do this a couple of times, you'll appreciate the tool dealer coming into the shop and warranty items without going anywhere.
 

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Watch out for rebrands too!

Customer service definitely has a price, but if the truck is going to have you waiting 2 weeks for a replacement w/o a loaner and you paid triple for an identical rebrand, something is wrong.

For example? rethreading kits, extractors, bits, etc. Sure if you break/wear one size all the time, the extra price is worth it for that single piece.

My multi splines are irwin-hanson, several sizes will probably never be used and are there "just in case", but if I start noticing a failure/wear rate on the more used sizes, those specific ones will be purchased through the truck individually for around $5. Same exact item, just different leniency on replacement. The sizes that aren't going to wear out from high use, no need to spend double.

On the other hand, there is no sense in some rebranded tools that do not have an abnormal wear/failure rate. Matco is probably the biggest offender of this since they pretty much make 0 (although have some items uniquely spec'ed for them), cornwell and mac also have a very large selection of rebrands that aren't necessary. Well, I guess mac can also be pretty much considered almost all rebranded with some unique items. Snap on and especially bluepoint also fall into this group, but not to the same extent, they make quite a few more of their own products.
 

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Diesel- tractor mechanic is what ive been doing so far. Im interested in furthering my training to- like with manufacturer training program, but- thats probably after ive got about another year under my belt...



well, i guess the general consensus is a no go on credit accounts lol

im hourly, so it all makes me money lol :p

if you're borrowing tools, see what everyone else is using, they may have a real good reason for buying the brand of tool they are using.
ask questions, when i started pulling wrenches many years ago, i had basic hand tools up to 1 1/4" i asked my boss and fellow employees what they thought i would be needing in the near future.

the list was actually pretty short.
a few (larger) angle wrenches and a couple of crowsfeet.

those few needed items are still needed today, and still used today.

just curious, you working at a heavy eq or ag dealership?

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Check the local auctions in your area for farm sales, and shop tool sales. Get to know your local pawn shops and let them know what you are looking for.
 
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As time passes by things change, for example when I was an apprentice mechanic there were still lots of old British cars around with AF sized fasteners along with all the German French and Italian cars with metric. About 15 years ago my AF tools became redundant

I,m really glad I only bought the metric versions in Snap On.

On the other hand I bought quite a lot of Vauxhall (GM) special tools which fell out of use pretty quick as they introduced new models. I made money on these tools before they became redundant.

I think what I,m trying to say is that you will hear people talking about "investment" and this game moves so fast tools end up being retired to the back of a drawer in a giant tool storage unit never to be used again, dont fall for it.

"Buy wise and pack light" :)
 
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sorry- by tractor, i meant the 18wheeler..

arent pawn shops likely gonna sell the tools for the same amount a snap on truck might (in terms of used from pawn, or used from truck)?
 

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Depends on the pawn shop and where you are. Some deals can be found, just as some Shop owners think nothing of listing a price even above the new price. :Dunno:

It's like shopping at Costco. Some things area decent deal, some it's cheaper at the corner supermarket...
 

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My advice? Skip the chrome, that is a specialty item you can get some other time. Leave the chrome for the polishers in the garage. What really needs to be done is a very complete impact set up.

That means ratchets are a specialty item too. Go ahead and get best you can afford, but they may not see as much use as some people claim. It's all about the pneumatics/electrics, the chrome is a backup/specialty item.

Really, it is about your hammers and prybars, air tools, and impact sockets.

Right angle drill, low rpm drill, air ratchets, 3/8 impact, 1/2 impact, 1/4 impactor, air hammers, die grinders, cutoff wheels, that is where the money is. Yes I use all of them.

I dont know why you say leave the chrome to the polishers? Combo wrenches, sockets, ratchets, are all very important tools to have if you want to be a tech. In my eyes those are the very first basic stuff you should buy to start a collection. Yeah, drills and cutoff wheels are important, but they are certainly not the first things he should go buy. If some kid in my shop had drills and cutoff tools but no chrome I would think he was nuts going that route.
 

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I dont know why you say leave the chrome to the polishers? Combo wrenches, sockets, ratchets, are all very important tools to have if you want to be a tech. In my eyes those are the very first basic stuff you should buy to start a collection. Yeah, drills and cutoff wheels are important, but they are certainly not the first things he should go buy. If some kid in my shop had drills and cutoff tools but no chrome I would think he was nuts going that route.

For a diesel truck mechanic? (Big stuff...) I'm with DR on this one.
 
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I dont know why you say leave the chrome to the polishers? Combo wrenches, sockets, ratchets, are all very important tools to have if you want to be a tech. In my eyes those are the very first basic stuff you should buy to start a collection. Yeah, drills and cutoff wheels are important, but they are certainly not the first things he should go buy. If some kid in my shop had drills and cutoff tools but no chrome I would think he was nuts going that route.


I believe what he was saying is get shallow impacts instead of chrome..

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/tools.asp?tool=all&Group_ID=20338&store=snapon-store

instead of

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/tools.asp?tool=all&Group_ID=244&store=snapon-store

?
 

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My advice? Skip the chrome, that is a specialty item you can get some other time. Leave the chrome for the polishers in the garage. What really needs to be done is a very complete impact set up.

That means ratchets are a specialty item too. Go ahead and get best you can afford, but they may not see as much use as some people claim. It's all about the pneumatics/electrics, the chrome is a backup/specialty item.

Really, it is about your hammers and prybars, air tools, and impact sockets.

Right angle drill, low rpm drill, air ratchets, 3/8 impact, 1/2 impact, 1/4 impactor, air hammers, die grinders, cutoff wheels, that is where the money is. Yes I use all of them.

What if you are doing engine work?

Would you install an oil pan and a valve cover with impact? Main caps with impact? Cylinder head with an impact?

I would use all chrome for this. Chrome ratchets, sockets and torque wrenches.

I don't mean engine building in a machine shop, I mean a diesel mechanic replacing a head gasket, oil pan ect.
 
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Pedro86

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well, you can put a impact socket on a ratchet.. but a chrome on air gun i think can knock that snap ring off?
 

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well, you can put a impact socket on a ratchet.
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Yes, but the impact socket is typically bigger, fatter. This can pose a clearance problem in some cases. In tight areas the thinner the wall of the socket the better, the less bulk the better, and that is where chrome has the advantage.


but a chrome on air gun i think can knock that snap ring off?


Either the socket will shatter / crack or the anvil of the impact gun will get damaged (the corners of the anvil will get rounded usually).
 

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The Matco ADV 3/8 impact sae/metric combo set with deeps and shallows are my primary along with 1/4 deep and 1/4 shallow metric adv's then a midlength set of snap on chrome 1/4's a nice set of torx from snappy and gearwrench e-tork and long torx bit sockets compile my set for engine work....I'm trying to fill in with some 1/2 impact sockets at the moment I'm kinda in the same situation.


-Good locking extensions
-Impact Swivels

These will make your life so much easier!!!!
 

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Pawn shops;

Know your prices before you go in. They will haggle down to three quarters or half of new prices.

Auctions;

Again know your prices and be willing to walk away when the bidding gets too high. I always look at a item set a price in my head on what I'm willing to pay. If the bidding gets to high I stop and back away. Lost some good deals on cars and tools for pennies over what my final price was. Don't look back it will only cause you to bid higher on the next item.

Just to day I was at a auction that had a old army tool box with old SK, proto and craftsman tools in it. Nothing major just a mix of SAE sockets and combo wrenches. It went for $12.50. Would have bid but I have enough SAE stuff.

Garage/Estate sales;

Are another place to look for tools. Old established neighborhoods are the best place to look for deals. But unfortunately you are going to have to dig thru a lot of SAE and junk tools to find any good metric tools.

Deals are out there but you have to look for them.
 
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Yes, but the impact socket is typically bigger, fatter. This can pose a clearance problem in some cases. In tight areas the thinner the wall of the socket the better, the less bulk the better, and that is where chrome has the advantage.

Have you compared the difference side by side? I have. My Craftsman impact sockets (which are known to be big and fat) aren't very much wider than my Craftsman sockets. Before spouting off about how much thinner a Snap-On socket is compared to Craftsman chrome, I refer you to this post:

pipsters said:
I'm really curious about how thick my Craftsman chrome sockets are compared to Snap-On. So I started measuring.

1/2" Snap-On 24mm 12 point - width - 32.5mm
1/2" Craftsman 24mm 12 point - width - 32.05mm, Craftsman .45mm slimmer

3/8" Snap-On 19mm 6 point - width - 25.1mm
3/8" Craftsman 19mm 6 point - width - 25.44mm, Craftsman .33mm larger

1/4" Snap-On 10mm 6 point - width - 13.2mm
1/4" Craftsman 10mm 6 point - width - 13.7mm, Craftsman .50mm larger

To put it in perspective, here is 0.5mm width, negligible isn't even a word to describe it.

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I never took a picture of my Craftsman chrome vs. impact but the difference is pretty small on the smaller sockets. As they get bigger yes there is a difference, however I highly doubt when using a 27mm impact you won't have room. Those types of bolts tend to engineered for impact use.

What Diesel is saying (if I may, I don't think I'm putting words in his mouth), and I've switched to his mentality too, is to own sets of impacts because then you won't have wasted money and space in storing a mostly unused chrome socket collection. I *personally* hate wasted money and space on stuff collecting dust that will rarely get used. Buy the random chrome socket that is needed for the small space that the impact don't fit in. Makes sense in my mind.
 
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Have you compared the difference side by side? I have. My Craftsman impact sockets (which are known to be big and fat) aren't very much wider than my Craftsman sockets.

The difference can be quite significant in my experience and sometimes it does not take much AT ALL to make or brake wether or not you can do what you are trying to do.
 

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The difference can be quite significant in my experience and sometimes it does not take much AT ALL to make or brake wether or not you can do what you are trying to do.

That's why you buy that chrome socket for the special circumstance needed.
 

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Yes, but the impact socket is typically bigger, fatter. This can pose a clearance problem in some cases. In tight areas the thinner the wall of the socket the better, the less bulk the better, and that is where chrome has the advantage.

Yes, that is a "specialty" use on a case by case basis. Didn't say don't own them, but they are definitely not priority.


Outlander, come to the shop with the chrome and see where it gets you. Do I install oil pans with impact [sockets] I certainly do. Lightly ran down with either subcompact 1/4" impactor, hand ratchet, or air ratchet. Don't worry, none produce enough torque to be "tight". Then torque by hand as needed. Oil pan bolts for me are 16mm, cushioned with rubber grommets, and tap into clean iron blocks. Not a hyundai.

Now the kicker? I can go ahead and use that same socket on an impact to back out a starter bolt, pto bolts or numerous other things.

Like I said, occasionally it absolutely won't fit. You definitely don't need some mega300pc sears set to cover those select few cases though.

Guess what? I even included 12pt impact sockets, especially on driveshaft bolts. No, I am not installing them with an impact, but those small 1/2" bolts are torqued to 125ft-lbs and often have red locktite backing them up. Go ahead and use chrome. A lot of guys do (since 12pt impact are somewhat less common) After it splits with hand force on a 24" breaker, they come asking for mine. Never fails. I have no qualms in lending it, and I also have no qualms telling them it was only $6 and saves me the downtime of waiting to warranty, simply because I have less (practically no) warranty claims related to sockets.

this is the diesel world, leave the chrome at home (for the most part). What works on a toyota doesn't necessarily work on a catC15/freightliner with DD15 or something else of the sort.

there are a lot of small "appearing" fasteners which are really high torque/high tensile fasteners. You look at a bolt and say "oh that's easy, 3/8 ratchet no problem" Guess again! Next thing you know, you are using torches, presses, hydraulics, a forklift, or god knows what else.

Example, I learned a trick from crewchief when dealing with hydraulic fittings. Everywhere I have been, they always leak and or are already pretty loose. So when I grab a 1-1/4 and think I will give it a quick yank and it will be free, I was surprised when it didn't happen. Next thing I know, I am fighting with a 24" breaker and a crowfoot to no avail. Then wailing on a wrench with my "small" every day go-to hammer which is 64oz. Nothing. While impact sockets had nothing to do with that fitting, they sure had everything to do with the mounts and adapter fittings afterward.

i stopped breaking chrome sockets (by hand) about the time I stopped using them. It was never a regular occurring issue, but always in the worst possible time.

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wrenches are still chrome unless you want to get industrial finished and loose them in dark places. :lol:
 

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I'm going to agree with diesel on the chrome vs. impact deal. When I worked on Internationals, or when I work on any of the heavy equipment on my fleet, I wind up having to use an impact to get it apart. Depending on what I am working on (chassis parts for instance) it gets run back up with an impact. On the occasion I have to tear an engine down, be it automotive or equipment I use an impact. Reassembly I might run everything up with an impact or air ratchet, then I torque. I haven't run into very many areas where I needed chrome on a deisel engine, about the only thing I can think of is a 10mm 10 or 12 pt. socket for the cam postion sensor on a DT466 that seems to blow at random, and even then there is enough room for an impact.
 
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