Building blank boxes/garages in Atlanta

[Cadillac Bill]

I have plans in place and beginning to build. These are basic blank boxes. Pads, roofs, doors being built in the next months. I need advice about the insides and any other tips

Building two garages on our land in Georgia. Two metal buildings. One as a display for about 14 cars it is 80x100 feet. 14-foot eaves and 16-foot gable. Red iron skeleton. Skinned out in metal. Clear space. I want breathing space around our cars to display them well. The idea to have a museum, uncluttered area and the cars are focal points.

One the 100 foot side I will have four Commercial 2000 rollup doors on one side, three doors 12wx10h and 12x12 and another 12x12 door on the far side so to drive through one side and straight our the far side. The four doors on one side should make it easier to bring cars straight in with minimal turning radius.

Pad is 5" high-pressure concrete with fiberglass reinforcement and rebars. Of course much thicker at support attachments over hard red clay ground. 4" insulation walls and roof. Nucor Building systems.

The secondary building work area and modern car parking. One or two, four-post lifts. I have tall jack stands so I can work on brakes, wheels, etc. Raise the car with the four-post and bring it down where the 5/6 foot jackstands will allow one end of the car to be worked at a time.

I have used two post lifts, but our cars are long and heavy. Balancing a 6600-pound 22-foot car on a two post lift can be a very scary balancing act when working on the end, bumpers, a gas tank -- not for me! The car, evenly balanced can move as much as six inches, a terrifying sight that it could move more. That was on a 10,000 pound quality two post!!

The Second building will be 30 feet by 60 feet, also 14' eaves and 16' gable. This building will have four 12x10 roll-up doors on one side. Same other specs. Both buildings will have commercial walk through doors.

Buildings will be burnt slate color with evergreen doors and trim. Similar to the building below except the colors in mine will be reversed - building reddish brown and doors evergreen and my roll-up dors will be in the sides of the buildings. The red iron structure is also as an example, but ours will be similar, but to our size footprints. The CAD drawings are our exact structures.

Basic blank boxes that I can modify as desired, windows, skylights, awnings, etc.

My plans have been approved and permitted will begin as soon as the concrete guy can get here. Buildings are to be delivered May 11 or 18th.

 

[Cadillac Bill]

I solicit your ideas about

1. Flooring?

2. Lighting?

3. Wiring for display building?

4. Wiring for work building?

5. Not sure about heat and AC? Georgia is relatively mild

6. Skylights? I have PBR Panels are in both buildings. Can easily place roof translucent.

7. Four posts lifts? I have used these from Best Buys Automotive. 15 foot ramps and 9,000 pound. 110v and cost at about $2,000 each, delivered.

8. An automotive turntable. Could be inground? Above ground? Good price. I am looking at http://www.myautodisplays.com/index.html
I am a fair fabricator and seems a cheaper alternative DIY. I also like better having the car a foot or two above the floor, so it can be set on top of my concrete pad, later.

9. A detail, wash, wax area in the work building.
My roll-up doors, I want remote controls. These are the coil type doors, with manual chain operators. Suggestions of equipment to buy.

For many years as a general contractor can do plumbing, wiring, HVAC.

Very much appreciate your input!

 

[carnutdallas]

Absolutely climate controlled. Vehicles will appreciate the constant temps and just overall better experience. GA is not that mild, LOL. Insulate, insulate, insulate and if you know HVAC, then you know the deals, sources and value. Looking forward to the pics and updates.


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[Cadillac Bill]

Absolutely climate controlled. Vehicles will appreciate the constant temps and just overall better experience. GA is not that mild, LOL. Insulate, insulate, insulate and if you know HVAC, then you know the deals, sources and value. Looking forward to the pics and updates.


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I am planning to circulate water through the floor. Maybe some other ideas, but I do need to move quickly because the concrete guy wants to pour in the first week in May. I have considerable experience in contracting, renovation and Tilt-up construction. I just need to have plans and will build the system.

Much appreciate your help in DIY heating circulating through the floor!!

 

[7echo]

You need an AC system to maintain a low humidity. Probably need to be around 50 percent but I am not sure what is best for show cars. I like to keep my house between 45 and 50 percent. Well insulated will keep the heat out but I think you need to consider managing the humidity.
For shop work lighting I like to have 75 foot candles 36" AFF. Of course working under cars will require portable lights.

 

[matt_i]

I am not trying to poke you in the eye but if you are asking about flooring, something is wrong. The foundation/floor system for a red iron building is a large many-yard engineered structure which is designed to the reactions given by your metal building manufacturer. Which also must be precisely laid out to get the anchor bolts to align with the columns...which ultimately aligns the laps on the metal skin sheets.

Having worked many hours in a building similar in Toccoa, GA to that I would recommend several tons of AC (sized by Manual J calc) with many ceiling fans. Also 4" insulation package which comes with the building as an accessory. Despite all of that you will be able to feel the radiant heat of the sun from inside. The good thing is that they stay fairly warm without any backup heat thru the cold snaps of GA winters.

 

[sberry]

The second building is way too small compared to the first.

 

[Cadillac Bill]

The second building is way too small compared to the first.

Not sure your remark/question. the 100x80 is a display barn for our cars. The smaller, second building 30x60 is basically a garage with a lift to work on cars, some storage for our daily driver cars.

 

[Cadillac Bill]

I am not trying to poke you in the eye but if you are asking about flooring, something is wrong. The foundation/floor system for a red iron building is a large many-yard engineered structure which is designed to the reactions given by your metal building manufacturer. Which also must be precisely laid out to get the anchor bolts to align with the columns...which ultimately aligns the laps on the metal skin sheets.

Having worked many hours in a building similar in Toccoa, GA to that I would recommend several tons of AC (sized by Manual J calc) with many ceiling fans. Also 4" insulation package which comes with the building as an accessory. Despite all of that you will be able to feel the radiant heat of the sun from inside. The good thing is that they stay fairly warm without any backup heat thru the cold snaps of GA winters.

I may have misunderstood. Both buildings are custom designed kits from Nucor Building Systems. I have very detailed drawings showing anchor points and how the skin sheets are placed.

I do have 4" R13 insulation. Walls and roofs. I am thinking about two five-ton units for the larger building and about three or four ton for the workshop garage.

"asking about flooring, something is wrong." please explain? I am building on 5" fiber reinforced with rebar, thicker at anchor points.

 

[readhead]

Matt caught most of the same things I saw. For your climate and use I would recommend no less than R38 in the roof and R19 in the walls. I would forget the in floor heat and install package units outside since you will need a lot of cooling. Was enough collateral load figured into the roof to accommodate lighting, sprinklers, duct etc? The foundation design will be complicated with ties between the columns. This isn't the time to be wondering about changing the design. Skylights can work but they will have to be a no drip design.

This sounds again like buying a building and designing to the building instead of designing a building and then buying a building to match the design. If the buildings are on the way and the concrete guy is ready to go the questions you are asking should have been resolved by now.

What was involved in permitting these buildings? The questions you are asking could affect what was originally approved. It would be helpful to understand some more of the design process to help answer the questions you are asking. I have been in the steel building business for a long time and what you are asking is sending up several red flags. Did you purchase the buildings and are you acting as the general contractor?

 

[Cadillac Bill]

Matt caught most of the same things I saw. For your climate and use I would recommend no less than R38 in the roof and R19 in the walls. I would forget the in floor heat and install package units outside since you will need a lot of cooling. Was enough collateral load figured into the roof to accommodate lighting, sprinklers, duct etc? The foundation design will be complicated with ties between the columns. This isn't the time to be wondering about changing the design. Skylights can work but they will have to be a no drip design.

-----Can't change the insulation now without major changes. Codes do not require sprinklers and can be a huge expense. The engineered and sealed drawings have been inspected by the City and to meet or exceed all codes and loads for ducts, wiring.

-----Roof panels are 26ga PBR Galvalumne

-----The usage of these buildings are to store vintage cars. No commercial nor public usage.

This sounds again like buying a building and designing to the building instead of designing a building and then buying a building to match the design. If the buildings are on the way and the concrete guy is ready to go the questions you are asking should have been resolved by now.

-----Correct. I specified with Nucor Building Systems and they drew detailed plans for the buildings and foundations. My original idea was to have split systems for heat and air. You mention package units and have not stressed structural issue to place rooftops.

What was involved in permitting these buildings? The questions you are asking could affect what was originally approved. It would be helpful to understand some more of the design process to help answer the questions you are asking. I have been in the steel building business for a long time and what you are asking is sending up several red flags. Did you purchase the buildings and are you acting as the general contractor?

-----Preliminary drawings were submitted to the City. They approved the original drawings and I ordered the buildings through Nucor Building Systems. Then we additional submissions with the exact sealed plans for structures and foundation plans. The City has approved these and permits issued.

-----Erecting and installing the buildings will be done by crews suggested by Nucor. I will have blank boxes and then add the wiring, plumbing and HVAC.

------I am a general contractor, but my experience is residential and commercial renovations, wiring, plumbing, HVAC mostly directing subs. My commercial new construction experience is building self-storage units with tilt-up construction.

http://www.nucorbuildingsystems.com/

----Please explain concerns as red flags??

 

[readhead]

You seem to have a clear direction forward. There were several contradictions in your reply. I don't have any information about the permit process or what was submitted for approval. For that reason I will remove myself from the conversation. Best of luck with your project.

 

[Cadillac Bill]

You seem to have a clear direction forward. There were several contradictions in your reply. I don't have any information about the permit process or what was submitted for approval. For that reason I will remove myself from the conversation. Best of luck with your project.

Thank you for your kind reply, it was appreciated, bye.

Moving forward and asking for any others who may want to input?

 

[bdbecker]

I don't have input for your specific questions, but make sure to start a build thread and take lots of photos to share with us - sounds like an exciting project!

 

[matt_i]

What I was getting at is the foundation is not just pour a flat slab with some edge reinforcement...its typically "stamped" meaning professionally-engineered, or at least done by someone who has erected enough of these buildings to basically duplicate a P.E.'s past efforts.

There are huge hidden monoliths (typically) under the columns, meaning like a yard or more of solid concrete, grade beams which tie the column supports together, and all reinforced. Its all formed and poured at once with the J/L-bolts (also not your typical 6" wood-framing bolts) aligned to the forms.

 

[firebirdparts]

I don't think you would need radiant heating in Stone Mountain. You don't need any heat, really, but if you want to be super-comfortable at least consider heat pumps. The capital cost of heat pumps over the a/c you need is effectively nothing. Radiant might feel better in those tall buildings, though.

 

[bczygan]

Wowza!!!

That's all I can say!

Bill

 

[Homebody]

#9 - Build a 2 1/2 - 3 car garage within the barn with opposing doors on each end. Drive in, Pull out. Fill it with all the needed detail goodies and a floor drain.

Please do keep us updated with pics, etc. This sounds like a fun project!
Good Luck!

 

[sberry]

30x60 doesn't store a "few" cars and leave room to work.

 

[welder57]

No Skylites are wall translucent panels-you will loss all heating cooling with those. Use R13-R19 on the walls and R-19 to R-24 on the roof. This will keep you cool and warm when you need it. LED lights thru out. 7'-10 liner on the inside walls.

 

[bczygan]

I solicit your ideas about

1. Flooring?

2. Lighting?

3. Wiring for display building?

4. Wiring for work building?

5. Not sure about heat and AC? Georgia is relatively mild

6. Skylights? I have PBR Panels are in both buildings. Can easily place roof translucent.

7. Four posts lifts? I have used these from Best Buys Automotive. 15 foot ramps and 9,000 pound. 110v and cost at about $2,000 each, delivered.

8. An automotive turntable. Could be inground? Above ground? Good price. I am looking at http://www.myautodisplays.com/index.html
I am a fair fabricator and seems a cheaper alternative DIY. I also like better having the car a foot or two above the floor, so it can be set on top of my concrete pad, later.

9. A detail, wash, wax area in the work building.
My roll-up doors, I want remote controls. These are the coil type doors, with manual chain operators. Suggestions of equipment to buy.

For many years as a general contractor can do plumbing, wiring, HVAC.

Very much appreciate your input!

If concrete slab work is imminent, then everything that goes under or in the slab must be designed and installed right now. Thinking of electrical grounding, electrical runs, floor drains and associated plumbing (Supply and drainage), any communications, security and other U/G wiring and work. Any in the floor lighting or electrical power outlets? Pedestals for electric car charging? Anything in the floor incl. electrical or hydraulic lines associated with the lifts? Air supply lines in the floor? Special requirements for the floor construction around or at the lifts?

In the showroom, get some advice on special showroom museum type lighting and the electrical requirements for same.

Will there be a paint booth?

Will doors in the showroom be glass panels?

Commercial space? HC requirements? Bathrooms? Utility sinks? Water supplies in various locations inside and out?


Just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

Bill

 

[kbs2244]

Personal opinion.
A cooled floor will be damp.
You will be fighting to keep the moisture low.
Not good for car storage.
I would spend the money on good humidity control and lots of air circulation.

 

[Cadillac Bill]

If concrete slab work is imminent, then everything that goes under or in the slab must be designed and installed right now. Thinking of electrical grounding, electrical runs, floor drains and associated plumbing (Supply and drainage), any communications, security and other U/G wiring and work. Any in the floor lighting or electrical power outlets? Pedestals for electric car charging? Anything in the floor incl. electrical or hydraulic lines associated with the lifts? Air supply lines in the floor? Special requirements for the floor construction around or at the lifts?

In the showroom, get some advice on special showroom museum type lighting and the electrical requirements for same.

Will there be a paint booth?

Will doors in the showroom be glass panels?

Commercial space? HC requirements? Bathrooms? Utility sinks? Water supplies in various locations inside and out?


Just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

Bill

The display building is just that. It will have a bathroom. Wiring is ready and conduits will be underfloor. Other conduits for whatever else I may have in the future.

Basically a large blank box with empty space. Each car spot with a spotlight. Underneath each car spot an outlet for a battery tender and whatever else. No glass doors. This is my private place on our private land. People can come see it when I feel like it. Translucent PBR panels in the roof for some light during the day.

The smaller building will be a full blown garage. Probably two four posts lifts. Self-contained hydraulics. With thicker pads. Airlines and conduits under the floor. Some wired as we go and others for future ideas. Plumbing and bathroom. Probably two bays separated from the parking two bays. These will have LED intensity lights from above and portable lights from below. Floor drains and detail area.

Welding area, welding table, machine tools, sandblasting cabinet. 7.5 hp compressor.

State of the art security systems. I use outside dual-tech motions (infrared and microwave) that must have heat signature and movement. Will not false by wind blowing trees. These outside motions will be connected to speakers and outside strobe lights. An intruder (over 40 pounds) will hear "INTRUDER ALERT CAMERAS ON. SECURITY ALERTED" and the area triggered also "FRONT DOOR", "REAR BUILDING".

These outside motions will not alert central station unless covered security capsule is triggered, meaning -- All entrances hardwired. Inside motions Fire and Burg to a central location. Police and fire have codes to my gates. Cutting through a wall will trigger alert, coming through the roof will trigger an alert.

 

[Cadillac Bill]

Personal opinion.
A cooled floor will be damp.
You will be fighting to keep the moisture low.
Not good for car storage.
I would spend the money on good humidity control and lots of air circulation.

The floor will not be cooled. Would not try this anyhow. Only heat through the floor. Yes, adequate circulation and humidity control.

Forced air ac. But thinking about using our lake as a heat sink for the ac. Instead of a forced air condensing unit. Use a water jacket to cool. Much more efficient.

If you have something hot that you want to cool down, would you rather blow on it or pour water on it? Our lake is about two acres and about 15 feet deep. There will barely be a temperature rise.

Also installing some aquaponics.

Please keep the ideas coming.

 

[Lelandwelds]

I solicit your ideas about

1. Flooring?

2. Lighting?

3. Wiring for display building?

4. Wiring for work building?

5. Not sure about heat and AC? Georgia is relatively mild

6. Skylights? I have PBR Panels are in both buildings. Can easily place roof translucent.

7. Four posts lifts? I have used these from Best Buys Automotive. 15 foot ramps and 9,000 pound. 110v and cost at about $2,000 each, delivered.

8. An automotive turntable. Could be inground? Above ground? Good price. I am looking at http://www.myautodisplays.com/index.html
I am a fair fabricator and seems a cheaper alternative DIY. I also like better having the car a foot or two above the floor, so it can be set on top of my concrete pad, later.

9. A detail, wash, wax area in the work building.
My roll-up doors, I want remote controls. These are the coil type doors, with manual chain operators. Suggestions of equipment to buy.

For many years as a general contractor can do plumbing, wiring, HVAC.

Very much appreciate your input!

Frankly, I think you already have a handle on the concrete, red iron, and electrical systems. I ask what came before and what comes after this building?

Why are you building a car museum? Is it open to the public? Is this a not for profit for tax reasons? Just because you can? Are you angling for Hot Rod Magazine or Architectural Digest? Is this a backdrop for a new product launch at SEMA?

Are you wanting to just plop down two kinda mismatched buildings in a patch of red dirt? Are you planning a indoor/outdoor tied together private/public area? Hardscape? Landscaping? Shade structures?

The whole idea is interesting in a way I have never considered. Too big for me. But interesting.

I would like to see something with a feel like small college or an upscale doctors clinic and spa. I would echo the building colors in paving stones, etc but put a huge angled contrasting color sail cloth shade structure between the two buildings. Plant some midget Japanese black pine or azaleas.

I would pick a monochromatic color for the inside and let the cars be the stars. Probably blinding white. You could make the entire building uniformly LED brightly lit. You could light the building on the dim side and brightly spot light each car. Indirect cove lighting. RGB like some video game. Put cars on jackstands with mirrors underneath. Heck, I would find internet video of Japanese zen gardens, trendy modern art, or some pop culture thing I never heard of. Borrow freely.

Cool color choice for the building by the way. I hope you have a dozen teenagers who like waxing cars and building maintenance.

 

[Cadillac Bill]

Frankly, I think you already have a handle on the concrete, red iron, and electrical systems. I ask what came before and what comes after this building?

>>>>> We have 21 vintage cars from 1914 to 1960 and am contemplating at least two more. Our current collection is more or less housed in a 16,250 SQFT warehouse where we also built a 4,000 sqft home inside.

>> we are keeping the warehouse and using it as a primary home. About half our collection will be housed there. The problem is having to move too many cars to be able to get to the others to drive.

>> We also have a 30x30 enclosure inside the warehouse cooled and heated by a 2 ton heat pump. I have two lifts, one two post and another four post. Full shop. So this is where we come from.

>> The property we consider our secondary home is situated on about 7 acres land has a two acre lake. It was a private school serving about 25 students. We use the admin / multipurpose building, a 2 story log cabin as our home. Additional structures are a dormitory for teachers and cafeteria. We are using this for additional storage and guest houe.

Why are you building a car museum? Is it open to the public? Is this a not for profit for tax reasons? Just because you can? Are you angling for Hot Rod Magazine or Architectural Digest? Is this a backdrop for a new product launch at SEMA?

Are you wanting to just plop down two kinda mismatched buildings in a patch of red dirt? Are you planning a indoor/outdoor tied together private/public area? Hardscape? Landscaping? Shade structures?

>>> Enjoying to see our projetc through other eyes!! I have been in real estate since 1963 and done a lot of reovation, but this does stretch even us! The log cabin and the buildings are similar in color and height. See pictures below.

The whole idea is interesting in a way I have never considered. Too big for me. But interesting.

I would like to see something with a feel like small college or an upscale doctors clinic and spa. I would echo the building colors in paving stones, etc but put a huge angled contrasting color sail cloth shade structure between the two buildings. Plant some midget Japanese black pine or azaleas.

>>> Our new buildings have 12 foot eaves and 16 at the gable. Interesting analogy as our property was a school as mentioned and a camp. There are trails and stations for exercise like a pacours setup. All was overgrown and we are reclaiming it. Huge hardwood trees in abundance and we are building in between them. Not cutting any of them.

>>> Outside probably going to use asphalt to keep in darker outside colors. Concrete can be stained.

>>> The display building will have skylights during the day and LED spotlights for each car. One side of the building has four rollup doors to easily move the cars in and out. We plan to have about 14 cars at this location and the "warehouse."

>>> We have two driveways, one next to the main building and another across from the cabin. Easy access.

>>> These cars want to be driven and we are doing this now. I just want to be easily reached. A problem, right now in the warehouse.

>>> I love to drive these old cars and often. I do NOT use the placards saying "DO NOT TOUCH", no, I like people to enjoy them! Stopping for gas or shopping people always ask if they can just take a picture. I invite them to sit IN the car and I take a picture with their camera! None of our cars have ever been hurt inside or out.

I would pick a monochromatic color for the inside and let the cars be the stars. Probably blinding white. You could make the entire building uniformly LED brightly lit. You could light the building on the dim side and brightly spot light each car. Indirect cove lighting. RGB like some video game. Put cars on jackstands with mirrors underneath. Heck, I would find internet video of Japanese zen gardens, trendy modern art, or some pop culture thing I never heard of. Borrow freely.

>>> Exactly. Somehow, you anticipate our ideas. You MUST visit. Especially planning Zen garden. Each car will be displayed as a star on its own. Uncluttered. A central slowly rotating turntable about 12 to 18 inches with a different car each month. I don't want to have signs, and memorabilia except inside cars and these will be tasteful

Cool color choice for the building by the way. I hope you have a dozen teenagers who like waxing cars and building maintenance.

>>> The bottom line is I am 74 and my wife is 71. We have done well in real estate and selling off our rental properties. These buildings are private for us, alone. I have not the slightest intent to sit by the door and sell tickets.

They will be open for car clubs, friends and those we want to invite. We don't need nor want to make this a commercial venture, unless for tax purposes.

Here are some of our Stars!

 

[Cadillac Bill]

Ran out for room, here are some more of our Stars!

 

[Cadillac Bill]

Still looking for a car turntable. I do like to make things, can use welder, plasma cutter, fabricate. Just need DIY Plans or just may buy a turntable. Thanks!

 

[bgarrett]

The only acceptable type of insulation is closed cell spray foam

 

[Stuart in MN]

Impressive collection! They're all great but I especially like the 1960 Biarritz.


For dehumidification, something to consider in addition to air conditioning would be to use one or more Hi-E-Dry freestanding dehumidifiers. http://www.thermastor.com/Commercial-Dehumidification/ They simply plug into a 120vac outlet and work really well to reduce humidity in large buildings. Just an idea that you can discuss with your HVAC contractor.

 

[Lelandwelds]

>>> The bottom line is I am 74 and my wife is 71. We have done well in real estate and selling off our rental properties. These buildings are private for us, alone. I have not the slightest intent to sit by the door and sell tickets.

They will be open for car clubs, friends and those we want to invite. We don't need nor want to make this a commercial venture, unless for tax purposes.

Here are some of our Stars!

This is one of those "deeper levels of awesome" posts. Obviously, you have spent decades revisiting this idea. You have even done it before.

Biggest bang for the buck is to find the right local design/build landscape architect. I would keep the cars to the barest possible mention if possible. Emphasize" entertaining small and midsized private groups", private residence, and "tying separate structures together". Scatter private seating" rooms" off of sidewalks (large enough for a car to navigate) leading to clear spaces.

Do not limit yourself to indoor display only. ( Expand your display for annual Fourth of July or Eyore's Birthday celebrations.)

Car carousels will take some research. Can you visit the last day of SEMA or a big car show? Some ******* photos of the always present car turntable would help. Can you find a local guy who reworks rotomold ovens? Fixes industrial scale ball mills? Repairs ready mix trucks? Maintains pug mills or cement kilns?

Raising the turntable a foot or so is an excellent idea! Makes design easier.

 

[Lelandwelds]

Still looking for a car turntable. I do like to make things, can use welder, plasma cutter, fabricate. Just need DIY Plans or just may buy a turntable. Thanks!

How in the world do you keep your dog's from chasing the ducks?

Nice lake. Decent views. This is going to be good.

The Michael C. Carlos Museum has some good points. I would definitely focus more on the exterior displays and coffee table -esqe areas. Built in raised car pads with permanent ramps scattered around could easily do double duty for the other non car parts of the year.

Have you ever been to an overnight state Park campground? A rose or orchid show? A sculpture garden? A "quiet contemplation " Zen garden? Mix them, shake and bake, and you are done.

That "blank box" title just holds my attention and won't let go. I would make the building disappear inside and out. Make the cars( and more subtly the property) the stars.

Paint the ceiling flat black like cheap trendy restaurant or bar. Paint the ceiling flat white like that Mis sion to Mars movie. I am unsure about windows.

Outside, I would repeat the building paint colors so it blends in. I would channel M. Night Shamalon and his color red to point out things of interest. I think you can drift people around like an IKEA without being annoying.

 

[Lelandwelds]

The only acceptable type of insulation is closed cell spray foam

Can dent sheetmetal. Glues panels in place. Damaged panels are hard to swap out.

 

[Cadillac Bill]

Impressive collection! They're all great but I especially like the 1960 Biarritz.


For dehumidification, something to consider in addition to air conditioning would be to use one or more Hi-E-Dry freestanding dehumidifiers. http://www.thermastor.com/Commercial-Dehumidification/ They simply plug into a 120vac outlet and work really well to reduce humidity in large buildings. Just an idea that you can discuss with your HVAC contractor.

This is just the kind of help I am asking. Good idea and where to find them! Thanks.

 

[Bronson]

Just to let you know I am available for adoption.
I will wax and polish for room and found.

 

[Cadillac Bill]

QUOTE=Lelandwelds;7137826]How in the world do you keep your dog's from chasing the ducks?

Nice lake. Decent views. This is going to be good.

>>>>It is!

The Michael C. Carlos Museum has some good points. I would definitely focus more on the exterior displays and coffee table -esqe areas. Built in raised car pads with permanent ramps scattered around could easily do double duty for the other non car parts of the year.

>>>> Creating a museum atmosphere. Carlos is one of our favorites. Often to the African collection, Pre-Columbian art and the Egyptian exhibits.

>> our cars like islands. Sculptural exhibits. a few Parsons style benches, but we invite people to sit in a car. Smell the age. Look through a windshield where people who sat for many different lifetimes.

>>> Recently I had my picnic lunch in the dark cavernous interior of a massive 1937 Lincoln Model K V12 Limousine with exquisite wood be a master coachwork, Willoughby. This car was used by General Douglass MacArthur on his visits to Canberra Austraila. I can almost smell a corncob pipe. I have one, aviator sunglasses, and some 1940s newspapers.

>>This car was recently driven by a chauffeur for S. Truett Cathy, founder of Chick-Fil-A, his personal car. Now it is mine.

Have you ever been to an overnight state Park campground? A rose or orchid show? A sculpture garden? A "quiet contemplation " Zen garden? Mix them, shake and bake, and you are done.

>> Of course. Quiet moments in contemplation of Nature. Quiet the mind, focus, immerse, feel Nature. And in these moments my greatest inspirations have manifested. Business ideas. Financial suddenly become clear and very simple. Thoughts bubble to the surface and I act, and I succeed. Struggle is a poor idea unless through struggle you wear yourself out and let - finally - inspiration claims you.

>> I have a Japanese garden. Simple but very powerful

That "blank box" title just holds my attention and won't let go. I would make the building disappear inside and out. Make the cars( and more subtly the property) the stars.

>> "blank box" You make a canvas. White. Stretched taut and allow ideas come forth. Keep it simple. Keep it clean. Keep it airy. All our walls and roof will be covered with white

Paint the ceiling flat black like cheap trendy restaurant or bar. Paint the ceiling flat white like that Mis sion to Mars movie. I am unsure about windows.

Outside, I would repeat the building paint colors so it blends in. I would channel M. Night Shamalon and his color red to point out things of interest. I think you can drift people around like an IKEA without being annoying.[/QUOTE]

Here is our 1937 Lincoln

 

[Lelandwelds]

QUOTE=Lelandwelds;7137826]How in the world do you keep your dog's from chasing the ducks?

Nice lake. Decent views. This is going to be good.

>>>>It is!

The Michael C. Carlos Museum has some good points. I would definitely focus more on the exterior displays and coffee table -esqe areas. Built in raised car pads with permanent ramps scattered around could easily do double duty for the other non car parts of the year.

>>>> Creating a museum atmosphere. Carlos is one of our favorites. Often to the African collection, Pre-Columbian art and the Egyptian exhibits.

>> our cars like islands. Sculptural exhibits. a few Parsons style benches, but we invite people to sit in a car. Smell the age. Look through a windshield where people who sat for many different lifetimes.

>>> Recently I had my picnic lunch in the dark cavernous interior of a massive 1937 Lincoln Model K V12 Limousine with exquisite wood be a master coachwork, Willoughby. This car was used by General Douglass MacArthur on his visits to Canberra Austraila. I can almost smell a corncob pipe. I have one, aviator sunglasses, and some 1940s newspapers.

>>This car was recently driven by a chauffeur for S. Truett Cathy, founder of Chick-Fil-A, his personal car. Now it is mine.

Have you ever been to an overnight state Park campground? A rose or orchid show? A sculpture garden? A "quiet contemplation " Zen garden? Mix them, shake and bake, and you are done.

>> Of course. Quiet moments in contemplation of Nature. Quiet the mind, focus, immerse, feel Nature. And in these moments my greatest inspirations have manifested. Business ideas. Financial suddenly become clear and very simple. Thoughts bubble to the surface and I act, and I succeed. Struggle is a poor idea unless through struggle you wear yourself out and let - finally - inspiration claims you.

>> I have a Japanese garden. Simple but very powerful

That "blank box" title just holds my attention and won't let go. I would make the building disappear inside and out. Make the cars( and more subtly the property) the stars.

>> "blank box" You make a canvas. White. Stretched taut and allow ideas come forth. Keep it simple. Keep it clean. Keep it airy. All our walls and roof will be covered with white

Paint the ceiling flat black like cheap trendy restaurant or bar. Paint the ceiling flat white like that Mis sion to Mars movie. I am unsure about windows.

Outside, I would repeat the building paint colors so it blends in. I would channel M. Night Shamalon and his color red to point out things of interest. I think you can drift people around like an IKEA without being annoying.

Here is our 1937 Lincoln[/QUOTE]

Sounds like your decisions and road map is all in place. I hope your build thread has plenty of photos. Pace yourself. This sounds exhausting.

I am not a really a car guy like others here but the Lincoln and the BMW were interesting to google. The interesting part is the how and why of your building and site choices. The history attached does increase the cars value. I have always found the Nimitz -MacArthur and MacArthur -Truman stories to be worthy reading. The Roosevelt-MacArthur drama makes my head hurt.