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fourjeepin

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Anyone have experience with this? I have seen plenty of houses built on stilts at the beach, but not many garages.

My wife found a piece of land that looks great but is a bit low and has a creek running almost right through the middle of it. There is a house on it but they built an addition that is feet from the creek which decided to undermine the foundation. I’m not sure if the house could be saved and turned into a garage/shop but the addition has to go before it ends up at the bottom of the creek.
 
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The flood maps have recently been revised after all the floods the US has had the last 5 years. 500 year flood zones now 100 year. 100 years flood zones now 50 year. Etc. End result is much more expensive insurance, if it can be had, and stringent flood adverse building requirements. Insurance companies need to rebuild their cash stashes.

Understand all of this to the finest detail before you do anything else.
 

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Having seen first hand all the devastation here in the Midwest due to flooding there is no way I’d consider buying them in a flood plain, no matter how many centuries they tell you it’s been since it flooded. I helped clean up after the rivers have flooded homes and businesses around here. You have not really seen a natural disaster until you’ve help clean up after a flood. It’s not just not worth it. I’ve lived on my acreage 20 years and I can’t imagine something coming along and requiring me to start all over. Do it right the first time so you don’t regret it.

That’s my long version of the above - just walk away.


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I used to do housing lending with a Federal Government lender. If the property was located in a flood zone, flood insurance is required. But there's always an alternative location. I know people build in certain locations for lots of reasons, but I will never, ever build or buy a property in a flood zone.
 

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Don't

Speaking of insurance, I just paid the flood insurance on my car wash. $977 for $20,000 in coverage. I believe rates are pretty standard it's a Federal program, you'd be in the same Flood Zone my car wash is. Plan on building a $100,000 house? Also plan on $5000/yr in flood insurance. The other good news is rates have doubled in the last few years and will continue to do so.
 
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A friend of mine bought a house right on a creek, after about the fourth time of having water in the house he moved. Actually FEMA and the city he lived in bought half the block. I wouldn’t even consider buying in an area even close to flood plain.
 

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I wouldn't even buy a property that had anything to do with water in the street name. Friend learned that lesson when he bought a place on a street called Creekside.
 

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Looked at a home in flood zone. 450k house was 850 a year in flood insurance



That’s an unusually low annual premium. I’m not disputing what you read or was told but a near half million dollar house in a 100 yr flood zone was more like $850 a month premium when I was originating mortgages years ago. Crazy expensive.
 

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It seems like we have a 'storm of the century' every other year these days. Even areas that are considered safe have had some big floods lately. We bought on top of a ridge for our retirement place. We wanted a creek, but every piece of land we looked at had the potential to flood.

I guess I'm a wimp about bad weather. We moved from FL partly because we got tired of having to evacuate every time a hurricane was on the horizon. The non-stop yammering of the weather people (Al Roker- "50 million people are threatened by this system") stresses me out. Now, I would only live on the water if it was a seasonal home.
 
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fourjeepin

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Is there a place to access the flood maps? This is a 3 acre plot and I am hoping there is an area that would be suitable for building. It is really overgrown right now so it is tough to tell the property corners and elevation. I appreciate the feedback and am NOT interested in paying flood insurance or losing everything.
 

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Your county jurisdiction probably has flood zone maps online. Contact the engineering dept. after you do a check of their website, if you don't find what you are looking-for. They probably will have topographic maps too, from the US Geodetic Survey. https://geodesy.noaa.gov/

If the property doesn't have really different elevations across the three acres, which would be very-evident, the entire thing isn't the best choice. Why tempt the fates?

Posting the general location of the parcel would help someone research more info for you.

http://map.georgiadfirm.com/
 
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Is there a place to access the flood maps? This is a 3 acre plot and I am hoping there is an area that would be suitable for building. It is really overgrown right now so it is tough to tell the property corners and elevation. I appreciate the feedback and am NOT interested in paying flood insurance or losing everything.

If your property is in a flood zone and you have a mortgage you will almost certainly need flood insurance.
 

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Is there a place to access the flood maps? This is a 3 acre plot and I am hoping there is an area that would be suitable for building. It is really overgrown right now so it is tough to tell the property corners and elevation. I appreciate the feedback and am NOT interested in paying flood insurance or losing everything.

Right here boss:
http://www.fultoncountyga.gov/gis-floodplain-map

I didn't try to use it never use I don't know exactly where you are.

Let us know we what you find.
 
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A developer wanted to build a small “city” just outside of Columbia where it’s nothing but farming fields and the sewage treatment plan. It was a notorious flood plain. Every few years the farmer would lose his crop to flooding. Everyone could see the results since I-77 runs right through it, although very elevated. Even all the manholes leading to the sewage plant have 10’ high concrete risers to keep the flooding waters out.
Developer said he could build levies to hold back the flood waters. Everyone, absolutely everyone on both sides of the political spectrum were against it. Bumper stickers everywhere “It’s a floodplain stupid”.
Then everyone saw the results of Katrina wiping out the levies down in LA. Project was dead. Army Corps of Engineering finally said not no, but hell no.
Just amazing that 1) A Developer would consider building there, and 2) people would be dumb enough to buy into it.
 

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Half my property got put into a flood zone when the maps were updated. The city said I could build nothing in the flood zone. Not even a shed.

I had my property surveyed and my entire property is above the base flood elevation so I got my property out of the flood zone. I can get flood insurance really cheap now since not in flood zone.
 

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I don't think you can trust todays flood maps, based upon the frequency and intensity of storms we are seeing...everywhere. If it is close on a current map it is probably "in" the flood plain of tomorrow.
Availability of insurance is the big driver. You may get insurance, but you may not keep it. We are seeing vast numbers of peoples homeowners being cancelled out here. Another big hurricane or two across Georgia and they will do the same there, if they are not all ready.
 

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Well, every year I have to worry about my warehouse being blown down, but I'm not too concerned about the water. I'm on high ground, but I used to live down there in the muck. The wind always had me more worried than the water.

If the house can withstand the wind associated with flooding, and if it's built properly elevated, you can enjoy living there even with frequent floods. It happens all the time to some people, and it doesn't bother them.

You will, of course, have to be able to deal with the inconvenience of being flooded in (or out) and everything that entails, such as using a generator and making sure you're not out stocking up on French toast ingredients just before a storm.

Developments of such elevated houses are going up right now nearby. People have a handle on how to build the things now. They hold up very well. Generally, there is no garage beyond the space under the structure.

Sometimes a steel garage holds up, and sometimes it doesn't.

Is it ill-advised to live in a flood-prone area? Well, sure. It's a pain in the ***, at times. It can also make life interesting. If your house is going to hold up one way or another, though, and if it's not going to get wet, there's a lot less to worry about.

Floods are nasty. I've been through some serious examples, and I've lived in flood plains, but so have many others. Doesn't stop those stilts from being put up, though, and it doesn't stop the parties, or just moving your cars to higher ground before the waters peak.

You need to be walking in with enough cash to build that house to take the water, though, and very carefully determine just how isolated you'll be if a big flood does happen. Not everyone is capable of living like that.

As noted, get a secondary, precision survey. It may lower required expenses, and at the very least will give you a good indicator of what's going on. Moreover, you will be able to have a nice, long chat with someone who knows every inch of water that's risen in the area.

Rain-related floods can only rise so high. They'll fill a basin, and then start to peter out over a wider area. It's not as if it's going to be ten feet higher next year. Those "500 year" floods in the Southeast are about as big as you're going to see without incredibly unlikely factors. A week of saturating rain, a storm surge, the hurricane... Then it comes around again to hit a second time...

That's about as much water as you can dump somewhere before it just starts running off faster than it rises.

Now, in the West and North? Things can be different. Flood states can be tied to other causes that have nothing to do with your own area. They're not as predictable, and the peak levels may not have been reached in recent memory.

I don't know about that stuff; I'm only familiar with flash floods in desert regions and the Southeast hurricane floods.
 

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Alot of the flood maps are WRONG. I built on some land that is in the center of the flood zone here in Florida. I laughed because my land is 5 to 8 feet higher than the land around it. I had a surveyor come and do a lot plot for height. I filled with FEMA that I was not in the flood zone at these heights. I now am not in a flood zone. Go Figure GOV can never get it right...
 

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Alot of the flood maps are WRONG. I built on some land that is in the center of the flood zone here in Florida. I laughed because my land is 5 to 8 feet higher than the land around it. I had a surveyor come and do a lot plot for height. I filled with FEMA that I was not in the flood zone at these heights. I now am not in a flood zone. Go Figure GOV can never get it right...

Even though they've been updated over the years, the flood map data is still largely out of date. It's also not very precise. It's meant as a general guideline.

When considering building, you're meant to have the land surveyed with greater precision. If you don't do that, at the very least you'll chance limiting your use of the property.

There's a lot of land around me that shows up useless on soil and flood maps. Get out there and survey it, though, and there's usually room for something, unless you're clearly in a stupid place.
 

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Florence and Michael kicked our azz, never had the yard flood where it went under the house, still running a water pump every time it rains.

No way I'd buy flood zone land...
 

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ScottsGT;

I assume you are referring to the bottom land along the Congaree river below Columbia.
60 or so years ago when I was in college in Columbia sometimes I would drive down in that area for relaxation. The area was agricultural then and someone in years past had tried the levee trick, which didn't look too successful. I have a vague recollection of hearing that during the Civil War after the rice growing areas along the coast were occupied by the Northern army the rice growing interests tried growing rice along the Congaree River and the levees may have been part of that effort, but I don't know for sure. Anyway, now the area has been developed and there is industry there, unwisely IMO. My observation is that land in a flood plain is good for farming(occasionally), pasture, or timber growing, but not for building any structures on that would have to be replaced. Real estate developers are very untrustworthy.

The OP should look elsewhere, especially since as I understand it he has not bought the property and doesn't have to buy it.

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Some of our property is in the 100 yr flood zone. Fortunately the house is not but when the creek floods it messes up the yard something awful. It has been flooding more often lately but it's probably due to all the new construction around me and poor creek management downstream. If you can see sand along the banks that creek floods...
 

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Purchase price savings due to wetland...
minus wetland studies costs
minus potential variance costs
minus extra permitting costs
minus extra designed construction/materials costs
minus hassle of moving/protecting stuff during floods
minus decreased resale potential
minus expensive insurance premiums and high deductibles (or inability to obtain isurance at all!)
minus multiple undefined risk factors

equals WTF!? with the W being Why?
 

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After having some experience with flooding I will join the others in saying run, not walk away.

Agree, Yes RUN away do not even think about it !

My son did not listen to My thoughts on the house He bought !

It never flooded there, house ended up with inches in it, then 3' in it !

Totally gutted and rebuilt ! Then got to do it AGAIN after another flood when We raised the house 8' We were told 5' should be enough that the house would never get water in it again !

Years of very hard work back to back, since the house has been raised water has never even reached His yard !
 

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Interesting thread. I am working on it. Just using google in a few minutes I came to here; works pretty well for me:
https://hazards-fema.maps.arcgis.co...ndex.html?id=8b0adb51996444d4879338b5529aa9cd

I grew up on the river. I can't disagree with their assessment of it. It's out of banks pretty respectably today, in fact.

The only way you could live with a garage is elevated above the water. You don't want that on stilts. You want it on a solid base high enough that the floor doesn't get wet I don't know what permits are required to raise a base to a reasonable level, but of course it's perfectly normal for some buildings to be built that way. I don't think it's anything unsual.
 
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My wife spoke with the city engineer about the property last week. Probably not a good sign that she was very familiar with it. She said 90 something percent of it was not buildable. Unsure if that means some of it is above flood plain. There are several other houses nearby that do not seem to be at a higher elevation but are farther from the creek.

I wouldn’t enjoy getting flooded out so I let this one go..
 

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There's plenty of land in nice parts of his country that don't flood. Look for one of those.

I am happy to see the government revising flood plain maps and enforcing insurance and building restrictions. Every year we see flooding on TV and I think this must be a rerun. Didn't that area flood last year? It's just crazy to build in these floor prone areas.
 

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They were showing a local guy on the news that had his house flooded. No hurricane; just a cold front coming through. His house is paid for, but he hasn't got flood insurance. 71 years old; doesn't know what he's going to do now.
 

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Flood insurance is not too expensive but is limited in coverage value. I have the max coverage, waterfront in a velocity zone and my flood is less than $800/year. Home is stilted at the minimum height required for VE zone. I believe its 17’. Located in SW FL.

Wind coverage is a very different deal. Anything but reasonable and is about 10x the flood insurance cost give or take.

Add basic homeowners on top of that and the quote above at $800/month is about right if not a little light.

Painful to even type this...
 

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Flood insurance is not too expensive but is limited in coverage value. I have the max coverage, waterfront in a velocity zone and my flood is less than $800/year. Home is stilted at the minimum height required for VE zone. I believe its 17’. Located in SW FL.

Wind coverage is a very different deal. Anything but reasonable and is about 10x the flood insurance cost give or take.

Add basic homeowners on top of that and the quote above at $800/month is about right if not a little light.

Painful to even type this...

SE Florida here, we re-did the roof to add hurricane straps on both sides of the trusses, without them, our cost was going to almost $9,000/year for windstorm coverage! We were getting a new flat-tile roof anyway. They removed a couple feet of sheathing to expose the concrete tie beam to add the strapping, took pictures of everything and closed it in. It cost < $2,400 to do, and kept us from that $$$$ insurance hit. We carry flood, windstorm, and comprehensive homeowner's insurance. All-that and taxes is five figures.The property is probably a mile & a half from Biscayne Bay, off the Atlantic Ocean.
 
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