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Building inspection bungle

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Most building inspectors suffer from napoleon complex they are only important less then an hour of every day of their career something they can not handle mentally.

Most also get kickback one way or another form the lumber yard, plumbing house and electric supply. Ask around those places and you will so find out they they spend an inordinate amount of time hanging out there when they have zero business doing so. I worked commercial construction and when a inspector was out of office not on site as should have been he was most time if not found in one of those places.
 
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rickcact

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I had my building inspector inspect my pellet stove install a few years ago. He would mention something he didnt like, then I would show him, in the installation book, that was how it was supposed to be done. He did that to me at least 3 times. After the 3rd time, he just kept quiet. BTW it did pass.

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Defender Chassis

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You do know that they HAVE building inspectors?
More than we do, and they have more power than ours.
The buildings were inspected and passed.
It just happened that the bribes paid to the higher officials outweighed the bribes paid to the lower officials. Or the inspectors couldn’t find the buildings, and passed them anyway. I’ve seen both.
I take it you have never been in a socialist country.
The incompetent idiot who 'pretends' to be a building inspector has full authority, except when the incompetent thieving idiot who is a local 'czar' of buildings accepts a bigger bribe, or has a financial interest in overruling the lower incompetent.

No building in China built since 46 has ever been completed without lots of 'squeeze' and lots of politics. Remember, those building belong to the 'people' i.e. the government.


You so totally missed my point which is that in this case the building inspector is not looking for a bribe or a kickbackj but just to make the new construction project for the OP as safe as possible. Its just one door. If the OP was smart he would just change it out and forget about the issue. Life is too short.
 

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Most building inspectors suffer from napoleon complex they are only important less then an hour of every day of their career something they can not handle mentally.

Most also get kickback one way or another form the lumber yard, plumbing house and electric supply. Ask around those places and you will so find out they they spend an inordinate amount of time hanging out there when they have zero business doing so. I worked commercial construction and when a inspector was out of office not on site as should have been he was most time if not found in one of those places.

I don't know if it is worse with Contractors or a Private Person. I agree with the Napleon Complex, some sure do. My inspector went on and on over a UFER Ground that I had in the ground on what I only needed to do. I had in my plans 20 feet of #6 Bare Copper Wire for the Ground on my new shop. When I was at HD I couldn't Remember how many feet I needed and bought 35 feet thinking 30 across and 5 feet up. I tied it to the re-bar on the end and them where it turned up to go vertical to the elec panel. He went on and on about what I could have gotten away with and that was a length of wire from the panel to the lower re-bar some 6 or 7 feet from the panel. At that point it was in the ground and I what was I going to do with this bare wire... I can't take it back and there is no other shop in my plans in the future. Why go on and on Dude!!! Well I think it was back to the "I have More Knowledge Than You" part about feeling of self worth and having to show off to who ever and "I have the Power". I wouldn't want the Job.
 
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Chris Adams

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On the flip side, many earthquake victims in China are wishing there was some type of building code enforced in their community.

You so totally missed my point which is that in this case the building inspector is not looking for a bribe or a kickbackj but just to make the new construction project for the OP as safe as possible. Its just one door. If the OP was smart he would just change it out and forget about the issue. Life is too short.

I read it twice more, still don't see that in your post. You may have meant something way different than what you posted, but oddly, I could only read the post, not the thoughts you may have had. :headscrat

You did miss my points,
A. They HAVE building inspectors.
B. The buildings WERE inspected.
C. Having inspectors, inspectors inspecting, buildings being passed, often has VERY LITTLE to do with results.

The value to a building inspection, codes, etc. is 0.0 unless it is done correctly, and done for good reasons.

Many inspections are good things.
Many are just BS, done to generate revenue, used to exert power over people, not used to actually make people safer, and often, in some parts of this country, are done to generate bribes.
Depends on who runs your local city.
 

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When I built my pole barn, the county required 4 inspections:
- foundation (in my case, concrete base for poles)
- framing
- rough electric
- final/final electric

I flew through the first 3 inspections. When the inspector came out for the final, I had the place only half insulated so that he could see every inch of electric. He passed the electric, then said, "Let me know when you're done with the insulation, and I will come out for the insulation inspection."

ME - "What insulation inspection? Nobody mentioned an insulation inspection!"

HIM - "Well, most people don't insulate their pole barns."

ME - "What if say, Screw it, I don't want to insulate anymore; I'm DONE"?

HIM - "I will pass the inspection."

ME - "Screw it, I don't want to insulate anymore; I'm DONE!"

HIM - "You PASS!"

I like my county inspector. We've never disagreed about anything. :beer:
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The Money Pit

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I see your point. BUT, I wasn't trying to be creative and "trick" the inspectors into thinking I was going to use the space above the garage for anything else than what I was going to use it for. If I was, I would have finished off the downstairs, had all the inspections, THEN finished the room above. I just wish he had told me before hand (or any of the inspectors for that matter) about needing a fire rated door. Heck, mention it to me when I submit the plans or any other oprotunity. I can see their logic on walking & talking like a duck but they can't be so narrow minded to not look at the original permit app. & addendum to see what else it might be used for. I'm done fighting with them. I'm going to keep my mouth shut, get it passed and forget about it. The county will stick me with a HUGE personal property bill.

Hold your horses there Moneypit. It wouldn't be the first time that someone tried to get past a code violation by creatively labeling a room or space as something other than what it actually will be used for. Inspectors are naturally suspicious. To an Inspector, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it is probably a duck. Despite your intent, if the room could reasonably be viewed as occupiable space, that is what the room construction has to adhere to. You could change your mind as to use, or the next owner could use the room differently, etc. That's not unreasonable. You said it yourself above.

Every Inspector is different, come from different backgrounds, and naturally sees different things when they inspect a project. Despite your inconvenience, lets cut the guy some slack. If you are in violation of code, don't blame the inspector. It's your responsibility to comply with all applicable building codes.

Your rated door should be researched a bit. The rating of the door is in relation to the rating of the wall. A 1 Hr. rated partition will usually have a 20 minute door rating. If you look at the inside (hinge) edge of the door you should see a label stating the UL rating of the door. It need not be a metal door, though it will take a solid core wood door to qualify.

You also can get into trouble by creating too large a storage area. Based on the actual size, you could be liable for smoke/fire dampers or even sprinklers. Generally this will only apply to commercial projects, but the final word, as always, is subject to local interpretation - how they view your use of the space.

No doubt there are more than a few jerks out there, but I am a firm supporter of building codes, and there is no other way to ensure compliance than to inspect at various stages of completion. Codes are compiled by experts in the field and are arrived at by consensus after a lengthy period of comment and modifications. That doesn't make them perfect, and often there are code revisions and modifications made, even prior to the next scheduled code publication.

Even though some item may not have been flagged by Plan Review prior to start of construction, the Inspector has the final word. Your best bet is to confirm that this is the sole issue, make the modification and request that the same Inspector revisit the site to confirm compliance. Save the old door for another project in the future.

As always, offered only as opinion
 

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My issue is the inconsistency with the inspectors and the permits office. EVERY inspector (other than this last one) has seen and known it was additional space we could use as storage or watch tv in etc. NOT live in. They made it perfectly clear that by no means could anyone live in that room above the garage. NOW it's an issue and is concidedred "occupiable finished" space. They need to stick to one thing and stay with it rather than change it at the VERY LAST INSPECTION. NOTHING had been changed as far as the permits had gone since August 2005. That should be plenty of time to let me know if I needed to do somthing different to the garage. IE install a fire rated door. That's what burns me up. And no, the room had been sheetrocked, painted, had the HVAC and carpet installed for over a year and it was the last time the same inspector walked up there to do the final electrical inspection.

I'm going to check and see how much fire rated doors are and make sure they can be put in the same opening without tearing everything all to hell and then I'll write a letter to the building inspection administrator to appeal the fire door rejection.


Living in and occupiable finished space are two different things. By finishing the walls, adding carpeting and using it for watching TV makes it meet the code book definition of "occupiable space". Don't blame the Inspector he has to follow the code book. Blame the code book writer's if you don't like the definitions.
 
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They told me 2 different things. One inspector told me 1 thing and another told me something completely different. It's all in how they define & interpret the different codes individually. One of the many should have explained it in a little more detail. It's not like I just got the sheetrock up. It's been like this for at least 1 & 1/2 years. Like I said, I'm going to put a fire door up whether it needs it or not to get them off my back because they are the only ones who are going to give me a final.
 
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