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rscott22

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Hey Guys,

This is my first post and question for the forum! Have been lurking for some time now.

I am building a new house this winter and with the house I am having a 38'x33' garage built onto the house with 11' ceilings. It will be completely open so I have free range in what I want to do.

As of right now I've only asked the builder to do the following:
- 6" concrete base
- 12 shop light fixtures built into the ceiling
- 3, 220 outlets (possible air pump, lift, air pump, etc.)
- the whole garage will be dry walled and painted a flat white with wood base trim at the bottom.

I am very excited to start the build, just want to make sure I don't forget anything and I am open to any ideas!

Here is what I'm upgrading from my little townhouse 1 car garage.



Thanks,
Ryan
 
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Floor drains.
14' or 16' tall ceilings if possible.
Two 10' wide doors if possible. Nice to have two openings incase one is taken by a project.
 
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Floor drains.
14' or 16' tall ceilings if possible.
Two 10' wide doors if possible. Nice to have two openings incase one is taken by a project.

I'm guessing the floor drinks are good for water run off? With winter etc. never seen them before that's why I ask.

Max is 11 feet unfortunately :-/

They are installing theew 9' doors.
 
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The garage will be fully insulated and so will the garage doors.

Outlets every 4' seems like a lot maybe it's not though.

No heating or cooling at this time, builder is roughing in a gas line to the garage in case I want heat down the road. I live in PA so heat will be a must down the road.
 

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Is this a working shop or a storage facility?

If you plan to work in the shop (cutting, grinding, welding, fabricating, etc.) don't use drywall. Use something durable that can take an impact, like T1-11.

Put up as many base / wall cabinets as you have space for.

5" concrete is plenty unless you will be parking something incredibly heavy on it.
 
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Is this a working shop or a storage facility?

If you plan to work in the shop (cutting, grinding, welding, fabricating, etc.) don't use drywall. Use something durable that can take an impact, like T1-11.

Put up as many base / wall cabinets as you have space for.

5" concrete is plenty unless you will be parking something incredibly heavy on it.

This is going to be my personal garage to work on my car, and friends cars. Mostly just a place to wrench and and hang out with all my car buddies.

6" concrete is the minimum allowed for a car lift which I will need. (From what I have read, I could be wrong)

I added the 220 outlets just in case (I doubt I'll ever weld or grind) but just in case.
 

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6" concrete is the minimum allowed for a car lift which I will need. (From what I have read, I could be wrong).

Is there going to be living space above the garage? If not look into scissor or parallel chord trusses in at least part of the garage for the lift. With a garage that deep you might also be able to talk to a truss designer about some sort of offset coffer truss or something, depending on where you want the lift.

My attached is 38' on the interior from drywall to drywall. I have a 30" swing door next to the third overhead door furthest away from the house. I wish the guy who had built it had put it closer to the house. That would give more room for door swing, unloading groceries, kids, etc.
 

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Most standard 2 post lifts call for 4" of reinforced concrete. If you wanted to overbuild a bit, go 4" for the entire slab and then have two pockets of 6 - 8" deep in the general area you plan to have the lift.
 

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The garage will be fully insulated and so will the garage doors.

Outlets every 4' seems like a lot maybe it's not though.

No heating or cooling at this time, builder is roughing in a gas line to the garage in case I want heat down the road. I live in PA so heat will be a must down the road.

May as well get as many outlets as possible. Easier to do at the rough in stage. My mom's new house has a ton of outlets. So cool not having to use extension cords (which can be dangerous).
 

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6" concrete is the minimum allowed for a car lift which I will need. (From what I have read, I could be wrong)

Pick the lift you think you will use, then go with their recommendation, it will likely save you money on concrete. I have a 10,000# capacity Rotary 2 post, it specifies 4-1/4" as the minimum.... here's a link for ya: http://www.rotarylift.com/Support/FAQ/
 
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Pick the lift you think you will use, then go with their recommendation, it will likely save you money on concrete. I have a 10,000# capacity Rotary 2 post, it specifies 4-1/4" as the minimum.... here's a link for ya: http://www.rotarylift.com/Support/FAQ/

I'll ask the builder to do the small pockets oiie someone mentioned, that will help save money, that never even dawned on me to try that.
 
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I am hoping for a look like this when its all done, very clean and simple. I like the white a lot and I'll keep my old work table to do all my "dirty work" to not ruin the new stuff.
 

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I am hoping for a look like this when its all done, very clean and simple. I like the white a lot and I'll keep my old work table to do all my "dirty work" to not ruin the new stuff.

Love the flooring and the white coloring. Not to mention the TV in the back haha. Very nice!
 
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This already may be code in your area, because it in many others. When you are having the foundation walls poured, you want them to come up 6" above grade, giving you a curb. Depending on the grade around the garage, you might even want it to be 12" so that the bottom plate is well above grade.

If you are not planning on insulating the floor, at least lay down a vapor barrier. It will slow the concrete cure rate and will stop ground moisture from penetrating through the floor.

If you have the money in your budget, 2" of solid foam under the floor and on the sides of the foundation would be the next thing I would add. Then start thinking about PEX for in floor heating, but you might decide on a mini-split heat pump instead, so you can have some cooling in summer.

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Over your bench, near any place you will have a permanent tool plugged in, & anywhere else you can foresee multiple plugs being used have the electricians install two gang boxes & wire for them. I guarantee you'll use 'em, & if I'm wrong they won't cause any problem.

When doing cabinetry more is better, but don't make the mistake I did. I put enough cabinets above my bench I couldn't mount taller tools. Had to make a movable work table to be able to use them.
 

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I hink recepticals every 4' is over kill. Even every 8' means you have an outlet within 4' of your work space. If you are considering a lift, check the required ceiling heights now on the lift of your choice. 12' 4" is safe. Good luck
 

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Depending on where you have the lift, you should also look into a jackshaft style garage door opener like the Liftmaster 8500. This keeps your ceiling free of the motor and opener track and gives you any extra clearance you might need.
 

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Love the flooring and the white coloring. Not to mention the TV in the back haha. Very nice!

Cabinets stain super easy. And what's up with the TV? TV's are for living rooms. Not for work places in my opinion.

There must be better options out there?
 

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- 12 shop light fixtures built into the ceiling

12 fixtures is a lot. Here is my 30X40 at night with 7 fixtures. I don't foresee ever wanting more light from the ceiling, although I'll need more underneath cars, over workbenches, etc. in the future.

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You can never have too much light, though. So, if you stay with 12 - I'd definitely suggest having them split out on multiple switches. (You won't want to light the room up like the sun to go in and fish through your toolbox for a second and then go back inside.) I'd also suggest checking out the threads on this site regarding hooking the lights (or some of them) up to a relay or lighting contactor driven by your garage door openers. (So, your nice lights come on instead of a single bulb on your opener.)


- the whole garage will be dry walled and painted a flat white with wood base trim at the bottom.

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You don't want wood base trim, either. It will take a beating and won't like the moisture. The new PVC and outdoor moldings that you can get these days will hold up famously for you. (They are a little pricey - its something you can always hold on until later, like the HVAC. No need to have the base molding in for the initial build.)


I'm guessing the floor drinks are good for water run off? With winter etc. never seen them before that's why I ask.

That and some people set aside car wash bays. Floor drains often come with environmental/permit nightmares and in many areas, grease traps are required. You definitely don't want to deal with those, or the maintenance involved. It's $$$.

The other thing with floor drains is that they collect flammable gasses, which are typically steered towards your garage doors via your sloped floor. IMO - floor drains in the middle of the floor are a safety issue to avoid. If runoff is a concern, you may look at putting slot drains at your garage door sills.


Max is 11 feet unfortunately :-/

This is going to relegate you to a 4 post lift or MaxJax. All the 2 post lifts I've researched require 12'+. The other thing to consider is your sloped floor. With the depth of your room, you are going to have nearly a 10" drop from one end to the other. So... a 11' max ceiling will probably be 10'-7" in the middle of the room. If you are attached to the house, you will also have to be 8" below your inside floor for a gas curb, so you'll want to make sure that is taken in to account also.

... Lot's of homework to do here if you want to have a lift installed. You also will want to plan out your concrete saw cut joints with your concrete company to make sure they don't put them in places that violate your lift install instructions.


They are installing theew 9' doors.

If you go any wider, you will be really heavy as they are insulated and when you get heated - larger openings will let out more heat. I went with 8' doors for better energy efficiency and now that I'm using them day-to-day, I really wish I had the 9's. 8 is fine if you have a straight shot at the garage, but its really tight getting a truck (and its Dumbo mirrors) through the opening.


Outlets every 4' seems like a lot maybe it's not though.

I think your logic is sound. For a machine shop, this might be good. Working on cars - this is a waste of money. Outlets and wire are expensive and are a total waste if you never use them. Conduit is cheap. If you think you might want more in the future, you can always run conduit, boxes, and then put blank plates over them for now. When you need outlets in the future, just pull more wire.

If you know where your workspaces are going to be, you can load up on outlets there. I suspect you'll be using hand tools and air tools mostly around your cars.

Don't forget to put outlet drops in your ceiling. If you get your lift in, you may want to drop electrical down to the lift and have a work center w/ outlets on the lift(s). You will probably also want your lift power to come from the ceiling.

People also tell me that the internal combustion engine will be illegal in a few years. :) You may also want to run conduit to prepare for the possibility of an electric car in the future. Even if you don't want one, that could be a big plus when you go to sell the place some day.


No heating or cooling at this time, builder is roughing in a gas line to the garage in case I want heat down the road. I live in PA so heat will be a must down the road.

Run pex in your slab for radiant heat. The tubes are cheap and its easy to do when you are pouring the slab. The manifolds and system are expensive and can go in when you have the money for your HVAC. I watch TV every once in a while - I hear that our next President is going to make us all instantly rich, like him - so you shouldn't have to wait long.

You can read the threads and I can attest - radiant flooring in the garage is wonnnnnderful!


6" concrete is the minimum allowed for a car lift which I will need. (From what I have read, I could be wrong)

You'll want to research this more. I've looked at a lot of lifts and only seen requirements over 4" for commercial lifts intended to hoist buses, RV's, and fire trucks. So, you'll want to double check that.

You will want to add an inch to your lift minimum to account for variability in the placement of the final slab. (I assume you will also be insulating your slab, which will also take some precision out of the thickness...) Adding extra thickness for the sake of adding concrete is not necessarily a good thing because a thicker slab = more shrinkage stress, which will increase your likelihood for unwanted cracking.


I added the 220 outlets just in case (I doubt I'll ever weld or grind) but just in case.

This is an area where you will definitely want conduit. If you put in a 40A circuit and one day you find a need for 60A, etc. you'll want to be able to pull wires easily.


I'll ask the builder to do the small pockets oiie someone mentioned, that will help save money, that never even dawned on me to try that.

Intuitively this makes sense and it would be OK if concrete were a homogeneous (like iron) material. However, your slab is reinforced concrete which is a heterogeneous material. Having one area thicker than another puts differential stresses on the reinforcement. This will increase your likelihood for cracking.

^ Don't believe stuff you read on the internet. If you research this, you will not find a single slap spec from a lift manufacturer for a new slab (retrofit slabs are something completely different) or instructions in a concrete placing manual on making one part of the slab thicker than another.

This is more of a concern the more highly reinforced the slab is. (It probably won't cause too many issues if you are just using one layer of mesh.) However, the lift doesn't need it for strength and if your concrete company is careful and puts some gauges in place so make sure they give you the full thickness you are calling for in the are of your lift pads - you will be good.
 
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Install outlets in the ceiling to power drop reels for electricity.

Install pipe,in the ceiling that you will connect to your compressor for drop air hose reels.

In one of the corners build a closet with an outside door as a compressor room. The corners are generally somewhat waisted space so that's the best place to put it.

See if you can go with a vaulted ceiling for added head space for a lift

Install hose outlets on the side of the garage outside as well as well as in front between the garage doors. Perhaps,the back of the garage too.

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Depending on where you have the lift, you should also look into a jackshaft style garage door opener like the Liftmaster 8500. This keeps your ceiling free of the motor and opener track and gives you any extra clearance you might need.

Be sure to have your builder add outlets high on the wall near the jackshafts to accommodate the liftmaster.


Consider adding an exterior hot/cold water faucet for washing cars, bathing the dog, etc.
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More ideas...

Add an outlet to the ceiling in the corner to add a fan as shown in the attached picture.

Stub out water and a drain for a mop sink for cleaning out paint brushes, washing dirty hands and parts.

Install a 2X6 header so your TV mount screws have a place to bite.

Run alarm wire to your garage doors so you can add garage door sensors to your house alarm.

Add a man door so you can go in and out without raising the garage door and losing your heat.

Add an extra PVC chases under your foundation and into your garage for future sprinkler system control panel, adding an internet box, etc. Add an outlet for these boxes, if applicable.

Make sure you have a good chase built between the attic and your breaker box for adding circuits.

Add a wall switch for turning on/off your compressor remotely.

Run an ethernet wire to any corner where you would like to add a security camera.

Run PVC drops for central vacuum hose.

If you have kids, add a keyed switch for your shop electrical outlets.

Add a timed switch to your charging station outlets to prevent overcharging.

Add an ethernet port for your shop computer.
 

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As far as receptacles go I would want 3 on each wall. Maybe every 4 feet where you want your workbench to go.

What about a sink? Always in need of a sink.
 
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So, I got my drawings back this week for the house and garage. Now it's time to mark them up showing where I should place wash tub, receptacles, work benches and cabinets etc.

Below is the fact die anions and layout, feel free to mark it up and give ideas! Everything you guys have posted so far has been very helpful!

The only downside is I can't do vaulted ceilings so my max height is 10' 6"

 

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I like elec outlets on the face of the workbench, which keeps the cord off the work area. Or use a drop down retractable cord.

For my cordless tools I have an outlet in a cabinet for the chargers. I leave the door open when charging for air circulation.

I like 3 and 4 way switches for the lighting. I have wall outlets at 8' spacing, and wish they were at 4'.

I have a 220v compressor and wish I'd have run the wire to run a 115v light to show when the compressor switch is on. A timer as mentioned is a good idea.

Exterior outlets, lighting and air lines is invaluable when needed.

A properly sized beam for an electric hoist is very handy, especially as you age.

As you age you'll appreciate plenty of lighting. I thought I had more than enough. You can always wire every other fixture on a separate switch.

Good luck!
 
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