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[Jazz1]

There was a time in a past life that I was a marijuana enthusiast. I searched exhaustively for a convincing, verifiable origin of "420" and never did.

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It has to do with meeting after school. There are 3 guys who actually showed the note from over 20 years ago when they first coined the phrase to prove the origin

Garages need a plant or 4 to keep atmosphere purified, strictly medicinal of course

 

[Maui]

I just looked at a map of the United States where it lists the legal standing of weed in each state. Here’s one for example:

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/state-marijuana-laws-map-medical-recreational.html

Now compare that to a map showing the political party of the governor in each state, like this one:

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_Governors_map.svg

Anybody else see the connection?

 

[Spacey_G]

So did employers in the pot smoking states just stop drug testing..? Or the stoners just dont work..? I know to keep your Commercial Drivers License (CDL) ..you still have to pass a DOT drug screen , thats Federal. Seems like it would leave lots of good jobs open for people who arent baked..? So could be good in that respect. And i know if you get hurt on the job where i work, and you fail the post accident drug test, you will not get workers comp.

Employers didn't stop drug testing and most pot smokers do work (drugs are expensive, ya know), just like it's always been. There are relatively few jobs that random test in a way that actually prevents employees from ever smoking. People just abstain for a few weeks leading up to a pre-employment test and then resume once they've started a new job.

But there are some employers who are realizing that for most jobs, it doesn't make sense to pay for drug tests and that it's really none of their business what their employees do on their own time. Imagine an employer testing to see if their employees had drank a beer at any point in the last month!

 

[Jazz1]

Employers didn't stop drug testing and most pot smokers do work (drugs are expensive, ya know), just like it's always been. There are relatively few jobs that random test in a way that actually prevents employees from ever smoking. People just abstain for a few weeks leading up to a pre-employment test and then resume once they've started a new job.

But there are some employers who are realizing that for most jobs, it doesn't make sense to pay for drug tests and that it's really none of their business what their employees do on their own time. Imagine an employer testing to see if their employees had drank a beer at any point in the last month!

I'm a truck driver. My companies stance is the same as most police departments in our country
"report fit for duty and remain so while on duty" Its none of the employers or any GDFing gov't agency's business what a person does in their spare time. That nonsense is for North Korea

 

[Lassen Forge]

420 came from when I was in Jr. High, we also called it "meeting at the fence", and whatnot... and that was the 70's. We also had 2, 3, and 4 finger lids (or $5 and $10 lids), all sold in foldover top sandwich baggies (no zip lock back then) and you needed a tray to separate the stems and seeds from the herb. Smoke a J, Twist a number, or roll one up. And the proto-pipe wasn't even CALLED that originally... but it was a cherished item, costing like $20 at the local head shop... IF you could find one. And let's not forget the Plexiglass multi-chamber Bongs...

Not that I'd know ANYTHING about that...

As to drug testing - no, it's still alive and well in the legal states, because a lot of government contracts and contractors, as well as state, local, and federal agencies (like the one I've been at for over 30 years...) have to have a "drug free workplace" policy to do business, and they have to have a verifiable record of random drug testing... as well as anything considered safety sensitive or covered by things like the DOT.

 

[mudflap]

Employers didn't stop drug testing and most pot smokers do work (drugs are expensive, ya know), just like it's always been. There are relatively few jobs that random test in a way that actually prevents employees from ever smoking. People just abstain for a few weeks leading up to a pre-employment test and then resume once they've started a new job.

But there are some employers who are realizing that for most jobs, it doesn't make sense to pay for drug tests and that it's really none of their business what their employees do on their own time. Imagine an employer testing to see if their employees had drank a beer at any point in the last month!

I guess im just older..have grown kids. All those years telling them dont do drugs, drugs are bad. Now we have our own Govt pushing drugs..for tax revenue while at the same time acting so concerned about the opioid epidemic.. the 2 meet in the middle, then what..? Cant have it both ways.

 

[Ray-CA]

They've taken the ad down.

 

[neophyte]

These days there's anti-psychotic prescription drugs that are so powerful that marijuana is becoming a class of herbs.

Don’t forget that most school shooters have bern taking the anti-psychotic prescriptions before their shooting incidents.

 

[ex-x-fire]

I used to work with a guy who had a serious drinking problem (he was at the point where he didn't drive, no test drive even), I saw him trade a long 1/2 snap on ratchet for a case of beer. He had no way to get it otherwise. I never did business with him because he needed to get past this.

 

[mudflap]

Don’t forget that most school shooters have bern taking the anti-psychotic prescriptions before their shooting incidents.

Thats the general consensus over on the gun forum. We have always had more guns than people in this Country..but if you look at the timeline, from when schools started forcing kids on the ADD/AHADD drugs because teachers didnt want to do their jobs, works out about right. But nobody wants to talk about a kids developing brain sizzling in Ritalin or Adderall for 10 years being a possible cause. Managing a room full of 7yr olds day in and day out isn't for everybody..Just 1 of them has enough energy to power a small City. They dont print enough money for me to want that job.. Probably makes it alot easier if they are sedated and sit at their desk drooling.

 

[Spacey_G]

I guess im just older..have grown kids. All those years telling them dont do drugs, drugs are bad. Now we have our own Govt pushing drugs..for tax revenue while at the same time acting so concerned about the opioid epidemic.. the 2 meet in the middle, then what..? Cant have it both ways.

Would you acknowledge that some drugs are worse than others, and that it could make sense for some to be legalized, regulated, and taxed but not others? There's no hypocrisy in our governments taxing marijuana and also showing concern over opioids. That epidemic is a serious issue that has virtually nothing to do with regulated marijuana.

Drug policy should be written with the purpose of reducing harm and be informed by evidence, not propaganda. Have you ever wondered why a recreational drug like marijuana has been outlawed and stigmatized for decades when we have another legal, widely accepted recreational drug that's more harmful virtually any way you look at it?

 

[mudflap]

Would you acknowledge that some drugs are worse than others, and that it could make sense for some to be legalized, regulated, and taxed but not others? There's no hypocrisy in our governments taxing marijuana and also showing concern over opioids. That epidemic is a serious issue that has virtually nothing to do with regulated marijuana.

Drug policy should be written with the purpose of reducing harm and be informed by evidence, not propaganda. Have you ever wondered why a recreational drug like marijuana has been outlawed and stigmatized for decades when we have another legal, widely accepted recreational drug that's more harmful virtually any way you look at it?

I know..Beer, Cigarettes, Gambling..all things we are more than happy to partake in..and the Govt is even more happy to profit from..just add pot to the list. I have seen all of those things destroy lives. Not for all, but for some. I sparked up a few times in High school, Used to smoke cigs when i was in the Army, drink a beer once in a while, and enjoy a night out at the Casino with the wife a couple times a year.. So im not some kind of uptight holy roller.. But i have seen pot lead to harder drugs in a few people, and eventually to Heroin ..Maybe you can write those cases off as just people who had an addictive personality..? I dont know.. But why even go there..? But im not gonna listen to people cry me a river about the "opioid crisis" at the same time they are profiting from the starter drug.

 

[PassnThru]

So did employers in the pot smoking states just stop drug testing..? Or the stoners just dont work..? I know to keep your Commercial Drivers License (CDL) ..you still have to pass a DOT drug screen , thats Federal. Seems like it would leave lots of good jobs open for people who arent baked..? So could be good in that respect. And i know if you get hurt on the job where i work, and you fail the post accident drug test, you will not get workers comp.

Generally speaking employers have a rule against illegal drugs. If you read your employee handbook it probably doesn't prohibit pot specifically - just illegal drugs. You can even be on opiates at work basically if you have a prescription.
We probably don't want you driving a forklift but you get the point.
If pot is legal then what can they do? I can imagine that a lot of companies are struggling with this now.

 

[Maui]

If you look at the maps I posted above it appears that the democratic controlled states are the ones that are predominantly legalizing dope.

 

[mudflap]

If you look at the maps I posted above it appears that the democratic controlled states are the ones that are predominantly legalizing dope.

No Way......are you serious...? Lol.

 

[Maui]

Yeah, imagine that. Shocking, I’m sure..

 

[mudflap]

If you look at the maps I posted above it appears that the democratic controlled states are the ones that are predominantly legalizing dope.

I guess Ohio is the exception.. We had Kaisik (R) now Dewine (R).. Governor. And a Republican controlled legislative branch. We have medical..and will have recreational soon. Would already have it, but before the last vote it was discovered that the grow licenses were going to a newly founded Corporation with "connections".... and got the hippies riled up.

 

[930dreamer]

My employer stated after the new year(2019) they're going to start a random drug testing policy. I understand with alcohol the test can very accurately tell if your drunk but with pot its a positive or negative and that's it. Nothing further has come from this and we have a total of six employee's including the shop owner. I'd never volunteer for a test because I've seen nothing in writing or a policy yet. Show me the policy or it doesn't exist.

 

[P89DC]

In Chicago on the black market 7gm/.25oz cost $100~$140. In Colorado at the weed store 28gm/1oz costs $80~$120 with tax. The cartels make big $$ from weed....

 

[Hilltopmasonry]

Generally speaking employers have a rule against illegal drugs. If you read your employee handbook it probably doesn't prohibit pot specifically - just illegal drugs. You can even be on opiates at work basically if you have a prescription.

We probably don't want you driving a forklift but you get the point.

If pot is legal then what can they do? I can imagine that a lot of companies are struggling with this now.

Doesnt matter if its legal or not you have to pass the test

And most companies that drug test for federal reasons have restrictions on what pain killers you can use


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[Negen]

https://www.history.com/news/the-hazy-history-of-420

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[mudflap]

My employer stated after the new year(2019) they're going to start a random drug testing policy. I understand with alcohol the test can very accurately tell if your drunk but with pot its a positive or negative and that's it. Nothing further has come from this and we have a total of six employee's including the shop owner. I'd never volunteer for a test because I've seen nothing in writing or a policy yet. Show me the policy or it doesn't exist.

Like most other things you just have to follow the $$$. By participating in a Drug free workplace program employers can save a significant amount on their workers comp. Or it could just be they suspect some people are getting baked before or during work...so spreading the old drug test rumor ...lol.

 

[930dreamer]

Two father/son combo's, me and the office assistant.

 

[mudflap]

https://www.history.com/news/the-hazy-history-of-420

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Thanks for the link..a long time ago i was told it was the police call sign..guess that was wrong..lol.

 

[mudflap]

Two father/son combo's, me and the office assistant.

I know if its a legit company, you all arent 1099 or something..they can implement a drug free workplace program, and it wont be voluntary. But it sounds like they have given anybody that might need to plenty of time to "study"..for the test, so that was very cool of them. Also..the programs i have seen have a provision for 1st time violators to complete a 30 day outpatient treatment program and return to work.

 

[BFBOB]

I`ll never do grass.
Sooner or later, the Feds are going to wake up and decide to enforce their law (it's still illegal nationwide, y`know). They`ll pick someone to make an example of, and that guy would be ME.

 

[Coach James]

Thats the general consensus over on the gun forum. We have always had more guns than people in this Country..but if you look at the timeline, from when schools started forcing kids on the ADD/AHADD drugs because teachers didnt want to do their jobs, works out about right. But nobody wants to talk about a kids developing brain sizzling in Ritalin or Adderall for 10 years being a possible cause. Managing a room full of 7yr olds day in and day out isn't for everybody..Just 1 of them has enough energy to power a small City. They dont print enough money for me to want that job.. Probably makes it alot easier if they are sedated and sit at their desk drooling.

1".....forcing kids on the ADD/AHADD drugs because teachers didnt want to do their jobs.....". This is nonsense, I know of many parents that wanted their kid to have a ADHD diagnosis and Ritalin script as it amounted to a get out of jail free card at school.

2. In my 27 years teaching, the only students I saw drooling were the ones that were sleeping, and they weren't sleeping due to Ritalin.

3. How long did you teach before you decided there wasn't enough money to make you want the job?

Coach

 

[PassnThru]

Doesnt matter if its legal or not you have to pass the test

And most companies that drug test for federal reasons have restrictions on what pain killers you can use


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But the test is for illegal drugs. Trust me - I know - most HR departments don't have a clue where state and federal laws differ.
Drug testing for federal reasons is a different argument - we are talking about drug testing in non-federal companies based in states where pot is legal.

 

[Hilltopmasonry]

But the test is for illegal drugs. Trust me - I know - most HR departments don't have a clue where state and federal laws differ.

Drug testing for federal reasons is a different argument - we are talking about drug testing in non-federal companies based in states where pot is legal.

I work for the railroad that operates in many states and it’s the same with airlines and trucking companies if you get drug tested you must pass the test it doesn’t matter the legal status in the state

You cannot fail the drug test

Even though pot might be legal at a state level it is still a class one narcotic in the federal eyes


The feds need to make a decision and declassify it or stop allowing it

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[PassnThru]

I work for the railroad that operates in many states and it’s the same with airlines and trucking companies if you get drug tested you must pass the test it doesn’t matter the legal status in the state

You cannot fail the drug test

Even though pot might be legal at a state level it is still a class one narcotic in the federal eyes


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I don't disagree on a federal level. On a state level - if you own a business and you want to fire people for smoking pot - you need to update your employee manual. Unless you can argue in court that it's illegal at a federal level and that overrides the legal status at the state level. Which your particular state has chosen to ignore. Employers aren't in a good place right now in states that have legalized.
In those states now booze = marijuana.

 

[Negen]

Drug tests in Washington state for most jobs still have to apply to hipa laws and what not. So when a clinic tests your urine/spit/blood etc.. Nothing happens if negative if positive for anything they have to ask you if you have a prescription. If you have a legal script nothing happens in most cases. In some cases your required to inform your employment official that you have a script for certain narcotics. In the past in Washington if you had medical pot and the clinic saw it before they wouldn't even test for pot. Most employment in Washington state tests only for heroin crack or coke. In the past even federal jobs in Washington didn't test for pot. DHS cares more about your residence for the past 10 years than if your stoned.

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[IdahoMan]

See enough on the local CL, as well as "Trade for things that go BANG!"

Good. CR should ditch their anti-gun policies.

 

[Spacey_G]

I know..Beer, Cigarettes, Gambling..all things we are more than happy to partake in..and the Govt is even more happy to profit from..just add pot to the list. I have seen all of those things destroy lives. Not for all, but for some. I sparked up a few times in High school, Used to smoke cigs when i was in the Army, drink a beer once in a while, and enjoy a night out at the Casino with the wife a couple times a year.. So im not some kind of uptight holy roller.. But i have seen pot lead to harder drugs in a few people, and eventually to Heroin ..Maybe you can write those cases off as just people who had an addictive personality..? I dont know.. But why even go there..? But im not gonna listen to people cry me a river about the "opioid crisis" at the same time they are profiting from the starter drug.

I do appreciate your interest in minimizing the harm that drugs cause to society. If that's really your interest, and you're able to look past the decades of propaganda about marijuana, you might see that the illegality of it causes more harm than the drug itself. A regulated environment that includes cultivation requirements, testing, age restrictions, education etc. is less harmful than one where people often don't know what they're smoking and risk fines and jail time if they're caught by law enforcement. And that's especially true when those fines and jail time by-and-large do not deter people from using the drug in the first place. Nevermind the well-documented history of racial discrimination in the enforcement of drug laws.

Edit: also worth noting that those people who you've seen ruin their lives by smoking pot are not representative of pot smokers as a group. I bet you'd be shocked at how many people lead productive lives with great families, good jobs, and rewarding hobbies who also smoke pot on occasion. It's no different than those productive people who drink alcohol in moderation, except you never hear about the pot smoking because of the laws and social stigma.

 

[Negen]

Also to note that pot is good for some people with some types of ADD. In that it seems to me to be a better alternative to methamphetamine/amphetamines that they use for legal ADD treatment.


We believe in a drug free America
A drug free America for me
That's the way we believe
The way that it should be

Drug free America for me

Like in Amsterdam where drugs
Are bought and sold legally
Let's take it one step further
And make them all for free

Drug free America for me

Say "nope to dope" when its not for free
Say "ugh to drugs" save your money
Don't listen to facts just sit back
And relax and help make our country
Drug free



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[Strouty]

They've taken the ad down.

Yup, three years ago..........

As for DOT drug testing, it is generally random unless you have an accident, then it will be mandatory. Companies can impose screening, but the piss test you take to get your DOT medical card is not for drugs, they want to make sure you don't have diabetes. I get treated like a criminal every year because my neck has a diameter larger than 17", have to get all my doctor's notes and show them I won't be a menace to society since I have sleep apnea, they just want to make sure I use my machine for 4 hours a day.

 

[6PTsocket]

Well, it is interesting to read this discussion as today cannabis is legal in Canada and in some US states. So, it has become more available for people. But it should be mentioned, the latest research showed great results and proved that using marijuana in medicinal purposes has benefits for people. In my opinion, it is good that they have a possibility to smoke some weed or to use cbd oil (there is a diference cbd oil vs hemp oil) instead of taking pills. I'm not a user and I'm against using it to feel "high", especially on a daily basis.

It also lowers the sperm count so at least they won't producing as many little pot heads.

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[Maui]

In addition, it can result in lifelong mental impairment and learning disabilities in the children who are conceived by pot smokers.

https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20030325/marijuana-may-harm-fetus

Maui

 

[Negen]

In addition, it can result in lifelong mental impairment and learning disabilities in the children who are conceived by pot smokers.

https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20030325/marijuana-may-harm-fetus

Maui

Most things harm a growing fetus.

My daughters metal disability is most likely caused by heavy metals found in deep ocean water fish. My wife didn't smoke didn't drink and is for the most part heathy. I am not sure if most responsible mother's would use drugs god made or not while pregnant unless under direct care of health professionals.

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