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C2 Turbo

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Hey Guys,

I have a deck 70' long that I need a railing for. Would you all mind giving me some leads as to where to look for such product and would it be good for that application?

Thanks
 
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Cable rail by Feeny. Did two jobs last week with their product. Top quality and easy to install. Whoever you go with be ready to spend some dough. Cable rail is among the most expensive rail systems you can install. Be aware that if it is an exterior application you may experiance sagging of the cable when it gets hot.
 

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Mine came from Menards.

Price was competitive with a couple of places on the internet.

Don't recall the names, but a quick search will find several sources.
 

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I just finished putting up 1800' of 1/8" 304SS cable rail on a big waterside deck. I used the existing wooden posts, 1/4" SS lag eyes on the static end, 1/4" SS eyebolts on the tensioning end. Zinc plated copper crimp connectors, bought a cable crimper at HD for ~$30. I capped the screw threads with cap nuts, no threads showing anywhere, even on the stairs.

On the interior rails I used commercial posts and rails and made hidden cable connectors on my little hobby lathe out of 1/4" hex bolts. These were even cheaper than the eyebolts.

All of the components were purchased on Amazon or eBay. Fraction of the cost of the railing "kits"

If you're interested in seeing the finished product I'll try to get some pics posted tomorrow.
 
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C2 Turbo

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Cable rail by Feeny. Did two jobs last week with their product. Top quality and easy to install. Whoever you go with be ready to spend some dough. Cable rail is among the most expensive rail systems you can install. Be aware that if it is an exterior application you may experiance sagging of the cable when it gets hot.

It will be on the above ground covered deck. Sagging is my trim guy's concern but not from the heat but from "how to keep them taught" concern?

Would it not be cheaper than buying the steel railing balusters?


Mine came from Menards.

Will check them out, thanks
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I just finished putting up 1800' of 1/8" 304SS cable rail on a big waterside deck. I used the existing wooden posts, 1/4" SS lag eyes on the static end, 1/4" SS eyebolts on the tensioning end. Zinc plated copper crimp connectors, bought a cable crimper at HD for ~$30. I capped the screw threads with cap nuts, no threads showing anywhere, even on the stairs.

On the interior rails I used commercial posts and rails and made hidden cable connectors on my little hobby lathe out of 1/4" hex bolts. These were even cheaper than the eyebolts.

All of the components were purchased on Amazon or eBay. Fraction of the cost of the railing "kits"

If you're interested in seeing the finished product I'll try to get some pics posted tomorrow.

That will be awesome and if you don't mind sharing the cost of the waterside deck project? PM be fine too.

Thanks
 

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That will be awesome and if you don't mind sharing the cost of the waterside deck project? PM be fine too.

Thanks

Here are a few pics. Sorry for the quality, but it was a gray Puget Sound morning.

I used the existing 4x4 posts, just made a jig and drilled 1/4" holes from both sides. Elected not to use cable thimbles, they looked too bulky. There isn't a lot of load on the cables, anyway.

Tensioning is easy- just don't try to tighten them all up like a bowstring- you need them to be taut, if you go too tight you'll never get them to stay tight. Mine really haven't moved, but would be easy to tighten if necessary.


The deck, stairs and interior cable rail took 1800' of 1/8" Stainless Cable.
I bought it on eBay, the brown truck guy rolled a spool down my driveway a week later. Stainless eyebolts were ordered on Amazon, nuts, washers, cap nuts, crimp fittings on eBay. I think I spent less than $500 replacing the exterior wood pickets with cable.

I screwed in SS lag eyes on the static end (get a eyebolt driver for your drill, it'll save a lot of work- but then, I had a couple of hundred of them to drive) install and crimp the cable, then do the same on the tension end, with a washer under the SS nut. I found it was helpful to run all the SS hardware in the same depth, that way when you tension the cable they all look the same.
Take your time swaging, you need to pull the cables fairly tight so the eyebolts end up in the same place when you finish-tighten them. When you finish a section, tension the cable by tightening the SS eyebolts, then run a second hex nut on the threads. Cut the exposed threads with a cutoff wheel, then remove the hex nut and replace with a SS finish cap nut. Angled spacers are available for stairs. Final step was to trim off the excess cable on the swaged fittings with a reinforced cutoff wheel in the Dremel- be careful not to nick the good cable. I tucked a little piece of aluminum in next to the swage fitting so I wouldn't nick the cable that remains. Takes longer to describe than to do it.

On the interior, the fittings are all hidden- you could do the exterior the same way as well-and same quite a bit of money (We liked the industrial look for the outside railings so we went with eyebolts. )


To make the hidden fittings all I did was cut the head off a common 1/4" hex bolt, chuck it in my little hobby lathe and center drill a 9/64" hole a little over an inch deep. The 1/8" SS cable slips right in and gets swaged with my $30 HD cable swager. You can use the head you cut off for a static anchor fitting if you leave enough shank to drill and swage.

I did spring for a good set of MIDWEST cable cutters- essential to get a clean cut on the SS cable. Malco makes a good cable cutter as well.

PM me if you'd like me dig up the ebay sellers and the Amazon link for the eyebolts. If you use hidden fittings you can probably just buy 1/4" hex bolts locally. (If you don't have a lathe you can probably figure out how to drill them in a drill press)or if you have any questions.
 

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I got mine from Menard's, mail order, we don't have Menards in California. That was the best price/selection at the time, 2 years ago. Mine are set between a series of 4x4 uprights, with a piece of 3/4" steel galvanized water pipe on floor flanges for the top rail. 40 foot cable as I recall with about 8 feet between the upright 4 x 4. You are supoosed to space them such that a 4" ball cannot pass between the cables. That is the size of a baby head I guess.
 

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That's probably why you don't see them every day. :) How much are they, $15/ea?

I had quotes for these types of fittings at ~$20per fitting, so 2 required per cable run, with 11 sets (22 required) for a 36" high rail. Plus, with some systems you have to buy them pre-assembled with their (overpriced) cable cut to length. The adjustable stair fittings were even higher. Total would have been over $10,000 for 24 sections. That would have killed the project.
 

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There is always the DIY angle but when a customer is expecting a professional installation then DIY doesn't work. The premade cables are more expensive but have a more finished appearance. Installation is less expensive. Last week we finished a private bridge which had 16 1/4"cables 40' long. Two men installed everything in half an hour.

We have also found wood posts to be problematic. Even 4x4 posts tend to bend when the cables are tensioned.

Just passing along my experience of 15 years of cable installs.
 

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There is always the DIY angle but when a customer is expecting a professional installation then DIY doesn't work. The premade cables are more expensive but have a more finished appearance. Installation is less expensive. Last week we finished a private bridge which had 16 1/4"cables 40' long. Two men installed everything in half an hour.

We have also found wood posts to be problematic. Even 4x4 posts tend to bend when the cables are tensioned.

Just passing along my experience of 15 years of cable installs.

It's always easier when you're spending someone else's money.
 

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I didn't hold a gun to their head. I provided an estimate and they accepted. I'm glad you could do your own installation and are satisfied with the result. A lot of people don't have the ability to do what you did. Believe it or not, there are people in the world that are willing to spend money to have things done.
 
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