I'd like for the pros(and non-pros too) to chime in on a new electrical wiring component I recently filed a U.S. patent application for- briefly, twist-on wire nuts or connectors that interconnect to each other - structure, they're not cone shaped- only the interior is, containing the helical threaded conductive interior- they're rectangular shaped on their non-conductive exteriors, thereby allowing for the planar sidewalls to abutt to each other- on two opposite end planar walls there is a pin or tab type push in socket- female and male on opposite end sides- they plug into each other-advantage, you can create a terminal block of neutrals and hots, keeps a junction box neater and less wires hanging around to get shocked on- a new twist to the twist-on wire nut(comedian besides an inventor)- lends itself to all kinds of future accessories that compliment it.easy to manufactiure.I'll get into that later. The few electricians I've told to seem to think its a hell of an invention(notice I didn't say idea-its more than that already-its at the PTO) Yays, nays,venture capitalists? All the above please reply.
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rockwithjason
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the idea sounds well thought out. my only concern with these kinds of things is reliability. if it can't be taken apart and reassembled say 30 times with no degradation in reliability then you have something.
Torque1st
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Probably WAGO connectors. They have been around for many years.
interesting. i would like to see a 3d cad model. first question I have, is how are these tabs for electrically connecting multiple units insulated? Next question I have, is how large are they (say the one that would replace a red wing nut) and is box fill going to become an issue?
LoneGunman
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They sound pretty cool, how many times have you had to tie in a circuit to an existing circuit, the wirenut has 3 or 4 wires in it already, you are in a building where shutting down is going to be a big pain the the ****. You carefully undo the nut and the non twisted THHN's spread apart, there go the lights, someones computer ETC ETC.
It sounds like if this thing was in place we could just plug into it to tap into the circuit?
Of course, if they are not widely used I don't think they'd help us out too much. On large commercial jobs, institutional or industrial, if they are more money than wirenuts they will not be used by many.
It sounds like if this thing was in place we could just plug into it to tap into the circuit?
Of course, if they are not widely used I don't think they'd help us out too much. On large commercial jobs, institutional or industrial, if they are more money than wirenuts they will not be used by many.
there is no requirement to tape wire nuts, and it is a practice which is frowned upon by many.
Even if that is the case, that would be a really stupid thing to try on live power lines.
Afew more points. Yes ,you can untwist the wires as in the standard wire nut or connector, after you pull them apart, pin or tab in the socket,that is- female socket, spring action or gripping ability to hold male tab. Yes, it would be ideal to wrap some electrical tape around the terminal block(multiple connectors in line, interconnected), but even better would be to have plastic gripping arms to grip the blocks-this gets into the future accessories that would go hand-in-hand with the product once it is introduced. I wish I could forward my PTO number so you could read and comprehend it better-won't be published online for 18 more months- it will take me upwards of 3 years to get my patent-things move very slowly in D.C. Oh yeah, Wago or similiar connectors are inferior to my invention-more expensive and they loose their integrity when wires are disassembled or taken from their gripping socket.
Torque1st
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I don't know about the expense but I will disagree about the WAGO product losing it's integrity. I have used them with great success for over 20 years.
rockwithjason
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my luck has been hit and miss with wagos. on high load circuits where the conductors go thru a lot of heating cycles the spring on the wago will get loose and burn up. I can't count how many service calls I have gone out on only to find a burned up wago.
Torque1st
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I have not had that problem but I know those connectors and how to apply and size them.
One more thing to add to the potentiallity of the device- I mentioned the plastic gripping retainer that would hold a number of SquareNuts(tm) together, well the retainer strap would have a small male plug or raised area on the backside that would plug into a receiving hole in the back of the junction box- label the block, if need be for future clarification. Imagine looking into a deep junction box and seeing terminal blocks hanging on the back wall, labeled, nice and neat- against a mass of wires as would be commonly seen.. This again gets into the future expanded use of the device and their born accessories.
rockwithjason
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If your wires are going through enough of a heat cycle to cause anything, then they aren't big enough, and it's a fire hazard.
scooby074
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So its like a WAGO crossed with a marrette that is mountable to the box?
Sorry, i just dont see it.
Proprietary boxes (or licensing the mounts) for one.
Plus boxes are tight enough, making room and trying to stuff linked connectors in there would just make things harder. Its difficult with individual marettes sometimes.
However i could see this in some industrial applications like in a disconnect where you could attach a rail to hold the group of "marrettes".
A picture would help.
/ I always tape my marettes, switches and receptacles
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Sorry, i just dont see it.
Proprietary boxes (or licensing the mounts) for one.
Plus boxes are tight enough, making room and trying to stuff linked connectors in there would just make things harder. Its difficult with individual marettes sometimes.
However i could see this in some industrial applications like in a disconnect where you could attach a rail to hold the group of "marrettes".
A picture would help.
/ I always tape my marettes, switches and receptacles
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