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The new shop will be detached, 29' X 30'. It will be stick built with attic trusses to create a "bonus man cave". It will be a craftsman style with two 10' X 10' doors to match the house. Here is a little sketchup drawing.

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Plans have been submitted to the city. Now just waiting/working on approvals.

Cain't wait.

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One of the first challenges I am struggling to solve is how to access the "bonus man cave" in the attic. I thought about drop down stairs or ladder, but not sure this would work very well for regular access, especially with 12 1/2' ceilings. Or for getting furniture up there. Are traditional stairs the best option? If so, what is the best way to locate them to take the minimum amount of space in the shop? I am also thinking of having a bathroom with a toilet and small shower (the sink will be in the shop outside of the bathroom). Is it best for the bathroom to be under the stairs?

The blue area in the image below is where the "bonus man cave" will be.

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Thanks in advance for any and all feedback/suggestions.

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Possibly in a corner, with the top half of the case on the back wall, then a landing in the corner and the bottom half of the staircase on the side wall? Would allow an air compressor under the landing, and a toolbox/workbench under the top part of the stairs. Only creating a minimal area of 'wasted' space that some shelves could be added for cased tools. If that makes sense?

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Possibly in a corner, with the top half of the case on the back wall, then a landing in the corner and the bottom half of the staircase on the side wall? Would allow an air compressor under the landing, and a toolbox/workbench under the top part of the stairs. Only creating a minimal area of 'wasted' space that some shelves could be added for cased tools. If that makes sense?

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I really like this idea, but I don't think it will reach the corner. If I am doing my math correctly, I need an 8' floor opening in the bonus room and the total stair run would be 15'. This will put the bottom stair right at the corner of the shop. Is there a way to frame the stairs to the bonus room that does not require an 8' floor opening?

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I'm not sure if I'm picturing your reply correctly, but my interpretation of BlueXJ's suggestion is pictured below
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I'm not sure if I'm picturing your reply correctly, but my interpretation of BlueXJ's suggestion is pictured below
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This would definitely be ideal, but I think the ceiling height at the point the stairs enter the attic is too low. I am not an expert framer, but I believe the stairs have to enter the floor of the bonus room like in the picture below or else your head will hit the ceiling. I could be very wrong and would like to find a way to do it as you and Blue XJ are describing.

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Sorry, nothing to add to the stair conversation though.

Did you by any chance purchase the Cycle Pro lift last summer off of KSL.com? Just wondering because I sold mine to a gentleman who said he lived in Layton around August/September time frame.
 
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Sorry, nothing to add to the stair conversation though.

Did you by any chance purchase the Cycle Pro lift last summer off of KSL.com? Just wondering because I sold mine to a gentleman who said he lived in Layton around August/September time frame.
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It must have been someone else. I have had mine for a few years.

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CAMMShaft bike shop looks awsome and well thought out. New shop sounds like it is going to be nice. enjoy !! look forward to the progress.
 
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Stairs take up a lot of space. You don’t often notice until it’s a question of ‘stairs or one more parking spot?’

If you want to save space, time, money: go circular. Minimum where I live is a 5’ diameter. 6’ is more pleasant. The diameter is your footprint.

You can pre-fab or kits, usually in metal. Add treads to suit your fancy.

Know that narrow circular stairs and a couple of beers don’t mix well.
 
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Stairs take up a lot of space. You don’t often notice until it’s a question of ‘stairs or one more parking spot?’

If you want to save space, time, money: go circular. Minimum where I live is a 5’ diameter. 6’ is more pleasant. The diameter is your footprint.

You can pre-fab or kits, usually in metal. Add treads to suit your fancy.

Know that narrow circular stairs and a couple of beers don’t mix well.
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Thanks Jake, good suggestion. Are you still able to get "stuff" into the space? Like a couch?

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Question about excavation. As this is going into an existing landscaped yard, there is a sprinkler system that will need to be addressed. I don't know exactly where the sprinkler system lines run. Should I just let the excavation guy cut through the poly pipe and fix it after or should I try to find out where the lines are running and address it before excavation?

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It was a discouraging day with the building permit process. The building inspector approved my plans, but the zoning guy did not stating a 30' setback was required rather than a 20' setback as was in my plans. Moving it back 10' feet is not an option and I dont want to make it smaller. The frustrating thing is I spoke with one of the other zoning guys in April and he told me it was 20'. Turns out he was looking at the setbacks for a primary dwelling rather than an accessory structure. I now have to apply for a zoning ordinance change to have the setback for accessory buildings changed to match the setback for primary dwellings. If you have any suggestions of language or justification I should use in the ordinance change application, I would be very interested.

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It was a discouraging day with the building permit process. The building inspector approved my plans, but the zoning guy did not stating a 30' setback was required rather than a 20' setback as was in my plans. Moving it back 10' feet is not an option and I dont want to make it smaller. The frustrating thing is I spoke with one of the other zoning guys in April and he told me it was 20'. Turns out he was looking at the setbacks for a primary dwelling rather than an accessory structure. I now have to apply for a zoning ordinance change to have the setback for accessory buildings changed to match the setback for primary dwellings. If you have any suggestions of language or justification I should use in the ordinance change application, I would be very interested.

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Awww, the joys of Davis County. I hate to say it but in 2016 when the wife and I were looking to move I contacted multiple cities in Davis County to discuss an accessory building and what size lot I would need to build a 3k square foot accessory building. They did NOT want to even discuss it. Not Layton, Syracuse, Farmington or Clinton and I wanted the hell out of West Point. West Point even told me that they wouldn't let me build the 1150 square foot shop I currently had if I wanted to now. I built it in early 90's and didn't have too much trouble at all but when I wanted to add on in 2010 was told a big NO. I had to apply for a variance in the early 90's and it was a simple written request to the city and utility companies. Took all of about a week to get approval but I'm afraid those days are gone.

Best of luck. Hopefully you are able to talk to someone who is sympathetic to you wanting an accessory building.
 
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Awww, the joys of Davis County. I hate to say it but in 2016 when the wife and I were looking to move I contacted multiple cities in Davis County to discuss an accessory building and what size lot I would need to build a 3k square foot accessory building. They did NOT want to even discuss it. Not Layton, Syracuse, Farmington or Clinton and I wanted the hell out of West Point. West Point even told me that they wouldn't let me build the 1150 square foot shop I currently had if I wanted to now. I built it in early 90's and didn't have too much trouble at all but when I wanted to add on in 2010 was told a big NO. I had to apply for a variance in the early 90's and it was a simple written request to the city and utility companies. Took all of about a week to get approval but I'm afraid those days are gone.

Best of luck. Hopefully you are able to talk to someone who is sympathetic to you wanting an accessory building.
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Mike,

Do you have any connections at Layton City? :)

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Thanks Jake, good suggestion. Are you still able to get "stuff" into the space? Like a couch?

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Negative ghost rider. Carrying more than a TV tray with some chips and dip isn’t fun. Circular stairs are common in city apartments and loft conversions, and aside from the space savings, aren’t great to actually live with.
 
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Negative ghost rider. Carrying more than a TV tray with some chips and dip isn’t fun. Circular stairs are common in city apartments and loft conversions, and aside from the space savings, aren’t great to actually live with.
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Maybe I can figure out some kind of "trap door" into the space and some kind of lift to get stuff in there. It would be cool if I could figure out how to get motorcycles up there and I could display a few bikes. Maybe somehow use a car lift to get stuff up there?

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After months of red tape including meeting with the city council, I finally have a building permit! The building process has finally started, but 3 months after I planned. Better than never I guess!


First thing to do was get rid of the playground. A listing on the local classifieds website solved this problem.

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Next task was to remove the sod. My buddy just built a new home, so he was happy to take it.

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Looks pretty good. Do you have an HOA? Nice looking area you live in. I assume the build has to be ascetic pleasing for your neighbors.
 
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Looks pretty good. Do you have an HOA? Nice looking area you live in. I assume the build has to be ascetic pleasing for your neighbors.
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We do have an HOA, so the shop will mostly match the house. It is important to my wife and I that it matches the house as well. Fortunately, the HOA has not been problematic at all. Even the head of the "architectural committee" was pleased with the plan and even encouraged me to build it larger (he is a retired developer/home builder). Getting a building permit was the real challenge.

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