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Can a variable speeds controller be added to a grinder?

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Is there a simple type variable speed controller that could be added to a grinder to slow it down. Most seem to be ~3400 rpm so cutting this in half would be helpful.

Using something like that on a drill press could be nice. I've seen some foot pedals but I think they are just on and off or momentary on. Anyways, with a foot pedal I wouldn't have a good guess on rpm.

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Electric grinder I assume, some form of light dimmer may work. However a adjustable duty cycle/pwm controler is the best way to go. I would recomend on, but all the brands I have used are for AU 240v a/c single phase. I'm sure someone will chime in with a 110v recomendation.
 

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Those router variable speed things can damage your grinder motor. You need to maintain the voltage but vary the frequency. You need to get a VFD (variable frequency drive) most have built in phase converters also.
 
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So what product will allow me to do it right? 1 hp max on the grinder.
 
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Harbor freight has something:

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-speed-control-43060.html

I might give it a try but would love to hear what others have see for a 120v power tool.

Not good for bench grinder motors. that sort of control is for AC/DC motors, generally meaning motors using brushes full time for running. Most vacuums, most routers, drill motors etc.

■Works with any universal AC/DC brush-type motor, 15 amps and under

Will not work with soft- or slow-start motors
 
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Not good for bench grinder motors. that sort of control is for AC/DC motors, generally meaning motors using brushes full time for running. Most vacuums, most routers, drill motors etc.

■Works with any universal AC/DC brush-type motor, 15 amps and under

Will not work with soft- or slow-start motors

Do you have a recommendation for a 110v unit?

I might be changing direction with this project, so if I was to go with a 1 hp 220 v 3 phase, what would be a good affordable vid. Thanks
 

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I'm not a current user of a VFD (although I may get one for a planned project...) so am not the best resource for VFD questions and recomendations.

One of the groups or forums that do Mills and lathes that have been converted from commercial use (generally 3 phase) to hobby/small shop use would be a good place to ask.

Of the machine tools groups I belong to the Clausing group probably has the best chance of good recommendations (The others are generally smaller tools and less likely to need conversion).

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/clausing_lathe_and_mill/pending?start_at=1
 

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The only way to do this successfully is to add a VFD to a 3-phase grinder. A single phase motor typically found in a bench grinder can't be speed controlled. Induction motors, both single and three phase are synchronous, meaning they lock their speed to the frequency of the incoming AC power. A 3600rpm motor operating on 60Hz will run at 3000rpm at 50Hz, if it is in the capabilities of the motor to run on more than a single frequency. Single phase induction motors used in most machinery need to have some form of starting mechanism, usually a centrifugal switch, multiple windings and often a capacitor or two. This is because single phase AC has no "direction", it just see-saws back and forth in polarity. Three phase power has three independent phases separated by 120 degrees of "rotation." A motor is able to lock in on this directional aspect of the power and spin up instantly with no additional startup circuitry. If you try to control the speed of either type of motor by varying the voltage, the motors will continue to run at the same speed, only the available torque (and with it, horsepower) will change. Once the motor falls out of its synchronous speed, the rpms drop drastically, the motor begins to draw a huge increase in current, and, in the case of single phase motors, will retrigger the startup mechanism. If you vary the frequency, you might succeed in controlling the speed without losing torque. This is very limited with a single phase motor, but with a proper VFD on a three phase, it can be done very precisely, without a loss of torque. A VFD electrically monitors the operation of a three phase motor and is able to modulate the incoming voltage and current along with the frequency in order to keep the motor up to preset speed but not allow it to stall or draw excessive power.

What does this all mean? Three phase grinders can be found in lots of different sizes and HP ratings, but usually no smaller than 3/4hp. They can often be found used for quite a bit less money than the same single phase grinder, since there is very little demand for 3-phase gear outside of industry. The money saved on buying a used 3-phase grinder can go toward buying a VFD. Mix the two together and you will have a very capable machine. Most smaller VFD units can be operated on single phase 240volt AC. Many can be run on either single or three phase.
 
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The only way to do this successfully is to add a VFD to a 3-phase grinder. A single phase motor typically found in a bench grinder can't be speed controlled. Induction motors, both single and three phase are synchronous, meaning they lock their speed to the frequency of the incoming AC power. A 3600rpm motor operating on 60Hz will run at 3000rpm at 50Hz, if it is in the capabilities of the motor to run on more than a single frequency. Single phase induction motors used in most machinery need to have some form of starting mechanism, usually a centrifugal switch, multiple windings and often a capacitor or two. This is because single phase AC has no "direction", it just see-saws back and forth in polarity. Three phase power has three independent phases separated by 120 degrees of "rotation." A motor is able to lock in on this directional aspect of the power and spin up instantly with no additional startup circuitry. If you try to control the speed of either type of motor by varying the voltage, the motors will continue to run at the same speed, only the available torque (and with it, horsepower) will change. Once the motor falls out of its synchronous speed, the rpms drop drastically, the motor begins to draw a huge increase in current, and, in the case of single phase motors, will retrigger the startup mechanism. If you vary the frequency, you might succeed in controlling the speed without losing torque. This is very limited with a single phase motor, but with a proper VFD on a three phase, it can be done very precisely, without a loss of torque. A VFD electrically monitors the operation of a three phase motor and is able to modulate the incoming voltage and current along with the frequency in order to keep the motor up to preset speed but not allow it to stall or draw excessive power.

What does this all mean? Three phase grinders can be found in lots of different sizes and HP ratings, but usually no smaller than 3/4hp. They can often be found used for quite a bit less money than the same single phase grinder, since there is very little demand for 3-phase gear outside of industry. The money saved on buying a used 3-phase grinder can go toward buying a VFD. Mix the two together and you will have a very capable machine. Most smaller VFD units can be operated on single phase 240volt AC. Many can be run on either single or three phase.

Thanks for this very thorough write up. By far the best info about vid. Thanks
 

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There are some slow speed bench grinders out there if you have not already bought one. I have an 8" that runs about 1750 rpms.
 
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