Can I loop wire before a sub-panel?

[yeldogt]

My post fire project is moving along. I currently have a overhead temp service at the site with a temp line in a surface conduit running back to my studio building to feed the existing sub -panel.

Most of the new conduits are in / buried -- Going to be a while until the actual service will be installed.

My question is about the current sub panel in the studio -- it's on the wrong side of the entrance door for that building. I was wondering -- when the line is pulled for this panel is it allowed to be looped inside next to the panel ? I would like to move the panel to the other other side of the door? I would pull off the drywall around the panel so the loop could be done.

I'm going to be rewiring much of the building -- no point in having the panel placed and linking back to all the old stuff when much of it will be changed anyway.

When the building is cleaned out (filled with stuff for the house) -- I will move the panel over to the other side of the door and start fresh.

The door is a couple feet from the back corner of the building -- with the panel in that small space .......... I'm putting a long bench along the whole back wall and the panel will be blocked if it stays there.

 

[sberry]

The panel should be near where it enters the building. Others can elaborate.

 

[AntonLargiader]

What do you mean by allowed? If you mean inspectable, then I think if you are going to relocate that panel then the inspection is kind of moot. Moving a panel triggers an inspection around here. I suspect if I showed it to an inspector he'd just ask me why I don't just finish the work and then call him.

But, if for instance you need it inspected beforehand, I've never read of a restriction on excess length as long as it's supported properly.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Are u saying u want to put a service loop, in the individual conductors, inside the wall?

No thats not allowed. Individual conductors need to be in conduit.

 

[ard]

"Existing panel" "current panel" "the panel"... Add a few more typos, statements with question marks, and that becomes impenetrable.

Just saying... Give it a read from the perspective of someone NOT in the room, nor familiar with the project... Then fix it up w the edit button!

 

[teamextreme]

I believe he's asking if he can install an additional longer loop of wire before it enters the panel so it can be moved to another location and still have enough wire to reach. If that is the case, there's nothing wrong with that provided you are installing it using the same or approved wiring methods you normally would. In other words, if you're running romex to the panel, then loop the romex. If you're running conduit and wire, then that extra loop would have to also be in conduit and wire. As Wylies alluded to, you can't run individual conductors not in conduit outside of the panel. However, if it were me, and I knew it was temporary, and I made sure there was sufficient protection from anything damaging the wires, I wouldn't worry about it (unless it's getting inspected, then you can't get away with it).

 

[yeldogt]

I believe he's asking if he can install an additional longer loop of wire before it enters the panel so it can be moved to another location and still have enough wire to reach. If that is the case, there's nothing wrong with that provided you are installing it using the same or approved wiring methods you normally would. In other words, if you're running romex to the panel, then loop the romex. If you're running conduit and wire, then that extra loop would have to also be in conduit and wire. As Wylies alluded to, you can't run individual conductors not in conduit outside of the panel. However, if it were me, and I knew it was temporary, and I made sure there was sufficient protection from anything damaging the wires, I wouldn't worry about it (unless it's getting inspected, then you can't get away with it).

This is correct ...

Never thought about the individual wires ... the current panel must have a conduit coming out of the upper right side corner -- popping out of the back of the building .. conduit 90 w/cover .. pipe to the ground. The old conduit came up the building about 5'.

Guess I better leave it alone __ I know technically you are not to have something in front of the panel. I will still be able to reach it .

 

[Norcal]

Install the new panel in the preferred location & do a temp feed to the old one.

 

[teamextreme]

Install the new panel in the preferred location & do a temp feed to the old one.

Somebody's thinking! Brilliant idea

 

[theoldwizard1]

The panel should be near where it enters the building. Others can elaborate.

Not behind a door !

 

[Norcal]

Not behind a door !

Why not? That is one of the best locations there is, nobody is going to stack **** in front of the panel & when the door is closed the required working space is there, so no code violation.

 

[yeldogt]

Install the new panel in the preferred location & do a temp feed to the old one.

That .. is the solution !