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[ZRX61]

14g stranded wire for 14g solid core? It's the ground wire on a pool pump. I really don't want to spend $13 for 50ft of the stuff at Lowes when I only need about 6ft.


Already tried a couple of local fuckwit electricians who were too ******* miserable to sell me 6ft. Twats.

 

[uncletater]

go to a supply house. They will sell wire by the foot.

 

[aka Larry]

Lowes sells wire by-the-foor and will **** you. I ordered some 10GA from MMC at a by- the-foot price for cheaper than Lowes.

 

[ishiboo]

14g stranded wire for 14g solid core? It's the ground wire on a pool pump. I really don't want to spend $13 for 50ft of the stuff at Lowes when I only need about 6ft.


Already tried a couple of local fuckwit electricians who were too ******* miserable to sell me 6ft. Twats.

Yes, use stranded wire.

 

[ZRX61]

go to a supply house. They will sell wire by the foot.

Did that. There's only one in town. Refused to sell anything shorter than 500ft.

 

[ZRX61]

Lowes sells wire by-the-foor and will **** you. I ordered some 10GA from MMC at a by- the-foot price for cheaper than Lowes.

They don't carry 14g solid core by the foot, nor do HomeCheapo

 

[ZRX61]

Yes, use stranded wire.

 

[G_P]

Yes, use stranded wire.

Stranded will work just as well as solid.

 

[ZRX61]

Almost all sorted! Got it all hooked up, even tidied up some of the birdsnest mess of wire inside the control box.

Then I went to hook the external ground wire to the motor case & found that the shop that rebuilt motor didn't swap over the screw & bracket that were on the old end plate.
Wouldn't have been an issue at my old place when I had a garage of *stuff*, but I have next to nothing here & now need to make a special run to the store for a ******** 10-32 screw. arsebiscuits!

 

[ZRX61]

Dropped by the motor shop & got a ground bracket thing from their scrap pile. Came home, fitted that.
Flipped the breaker on & it immediately trips. It's wired EXACTLY as it was before with the exception of the 14g ground wire being stranded instead of solid core.

I ******* HATE working with this voodoo ****.

 

[ishiboo]

Dropped by the motor shop & got a ground bracket thing from their scrap pile. Came home, fitted that.
Flipped the breaker on & it immediately trips. It's wired EXACTLY as it was before with the exception of the 14g ground wire being stranded instead of solid core.

I ******* HATE working with this voodoo ****.

Solid vs stranded are EXACTLY the same thing for this and 99% of other uses. (Nothing you'd run into in your rewiring.) so all the comments first were amusing to me when a simple "do it" would suffice

Is the breaker GFCI?

It's not exactly the same as it's been rebuilt/etc., but it's time to figure out why it's tripping. What exactly did you "clean up"?

 

[C96]

Sorry to throw a wrench in the works here, but you cannot use a # 14awg stranded or solid wire for grounding the motor. The ground wire that runs with the branch circuit conductors supplying power to the motor must be a minimum of #12awg period. Also, the bonding wire that is connected externally to the case of the motor that is part of the bonding grid must be a minimum of #8 solid period.

This is an NEC requirement.

The NEC Article 680 has specific rules for swimming pool wiring.

Good Luck

 

[ZRX61]

Solid vs stranded are EXACTLY the same thing for this and 99% of other uses. (Nothing you'd run into in your rewiring.) so all the comments first were amusing to me when a simple "do it" would suffice

Is the breaker GFCI? Nope regular breaker

It's not exactly the same as it's been rebuilt/etc., but it's time to figure out why it's tripping. What exactly did you "clean up"?

There was 47 yards of excess ground wire in the control box (ok, slight exageration) I had to fight my way through it to just to be able to see the screws on the connectors.
Actually there are 4 ground wires in the control box which were all spliced together rather haphazardly, & then all went to the same ground. So I removed some of that mess is all.

 

[ZRX61]

Sorry to throw a wrench in the works here, but you cannot use a # 14awg stranded or solid wire for grounding the motor. The ground wire that runs with the branch circuit conductors supplying power to the motor must be a minimum of #12awg period. Also, the bonding wire that is connected externally to the case of the motor that is part of the bonding grid must be a minimum of #8 solid period.

This is an NEC requirement.

The NEC Article 680 has specific rules for swimming pool wiring.

Good Luck

#8? The wire that's on there is about 1/8in dia solid.

Anywho, I've decided "**** it" & gave up.

 

[Speedy Petey]

Sorry to throw a wrench in the works here, but you cannot use a # 14awg stranded or solid wire for grounding the motor. The ground wire that runs with the branch circuit conductors supplying power to the motor must be a minimum of #12awg period. Also, the bonding wire that is connected externally to the case of the motor that is part of the bonding grid must be a minimum of #8 solid period.

This is an NEC requirement.

The NEC Article 680 has specific rules for swimming pool wiring.

Good Luck

As I was scrolling down I was waiting for this post to be made.

 

[Speedy Petey]

#8? The wire that's on there is about 1/8in dia solid.

Anywho, I've decided "**** it" & gave up.

I hope you gave up and called an electrician. Pools are no place to mess around when you don't know what you're doing.

 

[m.b.0331]

I hope you gave up and called an electrician. Pools are no place to mess around when you don't know what you're doing.

I'd rather have an electrician guy doing my electric work than an airplane guy doing my electric work.

 

[Norcal]

I'd rather have an electrician guy doing my electric work than an airplane guy doing my electric work.

 

[ZRX61]

I hope you gave up and called an electrician. Pools are no place to mess around when you don't know what you're doing.

There were multiple calls made to a tame sparks I know while I was confusing myself. He's coming by in the morning. He's the guy I blagged the wire from this morning & borrowed a fish tape. I'll find a few ft of 12g for the ground.

 

[ZRX61]

I'd rather have an electrician guy doing my electric work than an airplane guy doing my electric work.

On aircraft I mostly limit my voodoo involvement to changing switches, batteries & bulbs (apart from the engine related stuff)

 

[Mustang51js]

Is this an above ground pool or below, like the other said you must use #8 solid and if it's a above ground pool you need to hit 3 spots around the pool. You also need to bond the water now.

 

[ZRX61]

Is this an above ground pool or below, like the other said you must use #8 solid and if it's a above ground pool you need to hit 3 spots around the pool. You also need to bond the water now.

I need to rewire the ground for the pool because I had a bearing in the filter motor replaced? WTF?

 

[BigGMC]

I need to rewire the ground for the pool because I had a bearing in the filter motor replaced? WTF?

No,... unless you're building a new pool.

 

[ZRX61]

Well that was easily sorted, turns out it was a weak breaker causing issues since the bearing was replaced is all.

 

[LS6 Tommy]

Sorry to throw a wrench in the works here, but you cannot use a # 14awg stranded or solid wire for grounding the motor. The ground wire that runs with the branch circuit conductors supplying power to the motor must be a minimum of #12awg period. Also, the bonding wire that is connected externally to the case of the motor that is part of the bonding grid must be a minimum of #8 solid period.

This is an NEC requirement.

The NEC Article 680 has specific rules for swimming pool wiring.

Good Luck

As I was scrolling down I was waiting for this post to be made.

That makes two of us...

I honestly don't remember the NEC requirement, but I know around me most local codes require both a GFCI breaker & GFCI receipts for pools, hot tubs, etc...

Tommy

 

[Speedy Petey]

I honestly don't remember the NEC requirement, but I know around me most local codes require both a GFCI breaker & GFCI receipts for pools, hot tubs, etc...

Tommy

What would possibly be the justification for this?
Sorry, but I seriously question the requirement for both.
Code simply say "GFI protected". It does not care how you do it.

 

[Mustang51js]

It's one or the other,you don't need both

 

[BigGMC]

Perhaps he meant GFI breaker for pump motor AND GFI convienence outlet(s)

In my area, receipts aren't required but it's good practice to keep them.... you never know when those GFI's will go bad.

 

[LS6 Tommy]

What would possibly be the justification for this?
Sorry, but I seriously question the requirement for both.
Code simply say "GFI protected". It does not care how you do it.

It's one or the other,you don't need both

Perhaps he meant GFI breaker for pump motor AND GFI convienence outlet(s)

In my area, receipts aren't required but it's good practice to keep them.... you never know when those GFI's will go bad.

I agree on the unnecessary redundancy, but the inspectors on the last pool & hot tub I wired (at least five years apart and in different towns) both required it. Each was only one circuit, no convenience recepts.

And I DID keep the receipts...

Tommy

 

[Speedy Petey]

I agree on the unnecessary redundancy, but the inspectors on the last pool & hot tub I wired (at least five years apart and in different towns) both required it. Each was only one circuit, no convenience recepts.

Inspectors CANNOT "require" anything. They are there to enforce the code AS IT IS WRITTEN.

This is a perfect example of a time where the best response is:
"Wow, I never heard of that code. Can you tell where it is in the code book so I can look it up? I don't want to make that mistake again."