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I got this old looking bench grinder and I was hoping is a keeper. Any tips on how to tell its specs without the manufacturer’s tag?
Any ideas on what brand/model this can be?

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Looks like a baldor... what is the wheel size?
@lafester it does look like a baldor to me, I’m just hoping it really is. It starts right up even in the condition it is now!

The grinding wheel in it seems to be very old and used/abused, it is aprox. 5” diameter
 

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I don't think that is a Baldor, it looks closer to a Stanley or vintage Craftsman. But, flip it over and look at the color under the base, that should give you some indication of what it look like when in better condition. Also, start scanning the big Vintage Grinder thread, and I am sure you will see one just like it. And last, put a pic up in that thread, as someone will chime in with what it is.

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Looks like a Baldor to me. The 2 screw holes and each side of the on/off switch is for the switch guard plate. Looks like the cast iron wheel guards with the bottom/back exit. The eye shields don't look Baldor but this is an older model so that me be what they used back than. I suspect some type of replacement. The wheel spark guards / mounting look Baldor.

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I don't think that is a Baldor, it looks closer to a Stanley or vintage Craftsman. But, flip it over and look at the color under the base, that should give you some indication of what it look like when in better condition. Also, start scanning the big Vintage Grinder thread, and I am sure you will see one just like it. And last, put a pic up in that thread, as someone will chime in with what it is.

SHOW US YOUR VINTAGE BENCH GRINDERS
@bmwrd0 unfortunately the bottom is just as bad as the rest of it, mostly rusted. There seem to be 3 colors or layers of paint. 1 black at the top, 1 red in the middle and 1 gray at first, could be primer? I’ll try the other thread as well, thank you!
 
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Looks like a Baldor to me. The 2 screw holes and each side of the on/off switch is for the switch guard plate. Looks like the cast iron wheel guards with the bottom/back exit. The eye shields don't look Baldor but this is an older model so that me be what they used back than. I suspect some type of replacement. The wheel spark guards / mounting look Baldor.

Kevin
@nutjob that’s what I thought too, hopefully I can find a way to confirm bit even the labeling on the capacitor is all washed away by rust 🥴

Thank you Kevin!
 

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That's a Baldor.
Here's one of mine:

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Yours:

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I'm not sure what the OP's is but my Baldor, although smaller, has more in common with yours than his. Namely casting around switch and on collars on sides of guards. Also dust ports are completely different on mine. Could be differences in age or maybe a knockoff.

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I'm not sure what the OP's is but my Baldor, although smaller, has more in common with yours than his. Namely casting around switch and on collars on sides of guards. Also dust ports are completely different on mine. Could be differences in age or maybe a knockoff.
I'm thinking his is older due to the lack of casting around the switch. Ours have heavier wheel guards and your dust ports are identical to mine.
 

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Hers some pics from a model 623E with cast iron wheel guards. A few weird things is the screw in the center of the motor housing and no holes visible for the ID plate and the motor housing is same size width as the base.

I think this is NOT a Baldor? Look at the recesses for the motor housing bolts. Real old Baldor?

Kevin

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Baldor made tons of different styles over the years.


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As did many others... Doerr, standard electric, Milwaukee, Stanley, Delta, Craftsman, Walker-Turner, Boise Crane, Black & Decker, Wissota to name a few off the top of my head. I'm not saying it's not Baldor but it could be anything.
 
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That's a Baldor.
Here's one of mine:

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Yours:

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@Zeus36,

I hope you are right and mine is a Baldor too, yours looks great, quiet different than mine and likely more modern. Here is a picture of an older baldor grinder that looks more similar to mine, at least the screws for the main are vertical instead of horizontal. Mine has the on/of switch at the front instead and the one on the picture does not. Hopefully I can find a bullet proof way to identify it, thank you for your help!
 
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I'm not sure what the OP's is but my Baldor, although smaller, has more in common with yours than his. Namely casting around switch and on collars on sides of guards. Also dust ports are completely different on mine. Could be differences in age or maybe a knockoff.

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@cgrutt I agree, yours is a little more similar to mine but still looks to be more modern than mine. The screws for the tags on your are horizontal instead of vertical and it has the casting around the on/off switch. Thank you for sharing, nice baldor right there!
 
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Not sure if it would help or not but if you pull the tag maybe it's embossed underneath or can make out any dye that may have bled through? Or lightly hitting it with some solvent (lacquer thinner, acetone) or carefully sanding to reveal anything that may be intact below the paint that's covering tag?
 
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Hers some pics from a model 623E with cast iron wheel guards. A few weird things is the screw in the center of the motor housing and no holes visible for the ID plate and the motor housing is same size width as the base.

I think this is NOT a Baldor? Look at the recesses for the motor housing bolts. Real old Baldor?

Kevin

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@nutjob Not sure if I understand your post/questions very well,

"I think this is NOT a Baldor? Look at the recesses for the motor housing bolts"

You think my grinder is not a baldor or you are doubting the people questioning that it is a baldor? Mine has a recess on the housing for the screws and yours doesn't, is that why you think mine must not be a baldor? Is that a way to tell which one is a baldor and which one is not?

"Real old Baldor?"

Or if it is a baldor, it must be a very old model due to the differences that you noted?

Thanks for your help, please let me know if I got it right, thank you.
 
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As did many others... Doerr, standard electric, Milwaukee, Stanley, Delta, Craftsman, Walker-Turner, Boise Crane, Black & Decker, Wissota to name a few off the top of my head. I'm not saying it's not Baldor but it could be anything.
@cgrutt yes, it could be anything! I just hope is not a cheap imported one! Besides the help of grinder conneseours here in the forum trying to help, there are two other things that give me hope is a quality grinder:
* Inspite of all the abuse and neglect, still runs smooth.
* The tag that I believe to be an inventory tag from CAT (aka Empire Machinery Co according to my poor research, I could be wrong), they usually use the good stuff hahahaha.

Thank you for your help CGrutt!
 

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Just a quick note on that, it doesn't need to be a Baldor to be worth restoring (unless maybe you just want the big name for a higher sale price). Wissota, Sioux, Doerr etc all made some great machines on par with Baldor.

EDIT: although not definite proof, the cast iron wheel guards are enough to suggest it's probably an older US-made machine.
 

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Yeah I wasn't suggesting it's a cheap import looks like a solid old vintage grinder most likely US made. Just there were so many manufacturers and they all share similar attributes its very hard to say.
 
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Not sure if it would help or not but if you pull the tag maybe it's embossed underneath or can make out any dye that may have bled through? Or lightly hitting it with some solvent (lacquer thinner, acetone) or carefully sanding to reveal anything that may be intact below the paint that's covering tag?
@cgrutt unfurtunately there is no manufacturer's tag to inspect. I will try to see if any ink or markings can be distinguishable in the area where the tag was, it is a great idea!

The only tag left I believe it to be an inventory (asset) tag, which gives me hope is a good grinder or at leas good enough for a company to tag it hahaha. It is easily readable "EMPIRE MACHINERY CO 03824".

I'll inspect the main tag area more thoroughly and report back, great suggestion, I appreciate it!
 
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Just a quick note on that, it doesn't need to be a Baldor to be worth restoring (unless maybe you just want the big name for a higher sale price). Wissota, Sioux, Doerr etc all made some great machines on par with Baldor.

EDIT: although not definite proof, the cast iron wheel guards are enough to suggest it's probably an older US-made machine.
Oh that is great information in regards to the wheel guards, thank you @Woods_Wanderer ! I would love any of those other brands, probably even more than a Baldor hahaha, I have a thing for vintage tools so any of those would be great!

I just want a quality grinder that is worth restoring because it will last and it is worth repairing when it breaks, I know 99% of the folks in this forum knows what I mean, that's why they are here trying to help a stranger with an old piece of equipment and I sincerely appreciate it!
 
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Yeah I wasn't suggesting it's a cheap import looks like a solid old vintage grinder most likely US made. Just there were so many manufacturers and they all share similar attributes its very hard to say.
Yep, that's what I understood. Not because it doesn't look exactly like someone else's Baldor grinder it means is not a Baldor (or any other quality model in any case).

Thanks again for your help @cgrutt
 
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The motor and base look a whole like this one. Motor tag is in the correct orientation, too.

@MileHighRover wow, that one does look very similar to mine! Do you have any pictures of the back, specifically the wheel guards? My old eyes can't read the tag very well, what is the horse power on your grinder? That is a good looking one! I wish mine had those beefy eye guards! Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to post the picture and help answer my questions!
 
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