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Nice wrenches, but I always check out reviews. Are all nut turners stupid or just this "Verified Purchaser"
They arrived this week. Finish is fine. They're not as nice quality as my every day wrenches but the price was right. I've never seen a 2"/50mm wrench spread anyway - regardless of brand/quality/finish.

I don't know how he thought 7 pieces would cover that range without skips...

Only thing I didn't really consider was how to fit them in my toolbox 😂
The roll is pretty chunky and the 50mm is about 2' long.
 
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I realized at the time I bought them - but even more so now - that my 23 to 30mm wrenches could / should skip some sizes.

I kind of wonder what that person thinks a complete set would look like up to 50mm…
 

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I realized at the time I bought them - but even more so now - that my 23 to 30mm wrenches could / should skip some sizes.

I kind of wonder what that person thinks a complete set would look like up to 50mm…
It's hard to know until you need it and don't have it .

We've all pulled off an m10 with a 16mm and put a generic replacement in that needed a 17mm.

I've seen Parker and Gates hoses need different size wrenches so who's to say that what is ok to skip. If I can take it off with a 46 that I won't need a 47 to replace it.

Hopefully that's not the case though because I don't intend on buying no-skips up to 64mm 😂
 

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Despite all the comments around here about 9mm or 11mm not existing, I’ve used every size from 8mm to 19mm. And no question things have changed over time, too - those 12mm became more useful with Japanese cars, and the 16mm flange head bolt rather than 17mm plain hex is more a thing today than years ago. But if I ever need a 61mm I will probably use a Creacent…
 

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Despite all the comments around here about 9mm or 11mm not existing, I’ve used every size from 8mm to 19mm. And no question things have changed over time, too - those 12mm became more useful with Japanese cars, and the 16mm flange head bolt rather than 17mm plain hex is more a thing today than years ago. But if I ever need a 61mm I will probably use a Creacent…
If I ever need a 61mm and nothing else will do, I'm going home
 

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Lol

Come to think of it, if I’m going to be a barbarian then maybe I’d do it properly and use a pipe wrench
 

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Despite all the comments around here about 9mm or 11mm not existing, I’ve used every size from 8mm to 19mm. And no question things have changed over time, too - those 12mm became more useful with Japanese cars, and the 16mm flange head bolt rather than 17mm plain hex is more a thing today than years ago. But if I ever need a 61mm I will probably use a Creacent…
I got curious and asked Gemini AI ; I am going to put this in my toolbox. I have all the sizes, but you only use a few on any particular job. I agree with you that you need every wrench.

common __________ metric wrench sizes

European = 8mm, 10mm, 13mm, 15mm, 17mm, and 19mm. The 10mm and 13mm sizes are arguably the most essential for modern vehicles.

American = 8mm, 10mm, 12mm, 13mm, 14mm, 15mm, 17mm, 19mm, 21mm, and 24mm. The "must-have" sizes for everyday tasks are 10mm, 12mm, 13mm, 15mm, and 17mm

Asian Japanese = 8mm, 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 17mm, and 19mm the "must-have" sizes for everyday tasks are 10mm, 12mm, 13mm, 15mm, and 17mm. Other common sizes include 13mm, 15mm, 21mm, and 24mm

Chinese = 10mm, 13mm, and 17mm


Here are the common metric wrench sizes, typically categorized by usage:

1. Essential Daily-Use Sizes (8-19mm)
These are the most common sizes for general maintenance, bicycles, furniture, and smaller automotive parts:
  • 8mm (Common for M5 nuts/bolts)
  • 10mm (Extremely common, M6 fasteners)
  • 12mm (Common for M8, especially on Japanese motorcycles)
  • 13mm (Common for M8, widely used)
  • 14mm (Common for M10)
  • 15mm (Common for bicycle pedals/axles)
  • 17mm (Common for M12, wheel lug nuts)
  • 19mm (Common for M12, lug nuts)
2. Large/Heavy Duty Sizes (20mm+)
Used for larger machinery, heavy automotive, and specialized, heavy-duty applications:
  • 21mm (Common for lug nuts/spark plugs)
  • 22mm (Common for oxygen sensors, heavy machinery)
  • 24mm (Common for large nuts, trucks)
  • 27mm
  • 30mm
  • 32mm (Often used for machinery/heavy equipment)
3. Common Allen Key/Hex Key Sizes (1.5mm - 10mm)
Common in Chinese-manufactured kits (e.g., Qil Lang Tools) for socket-head fasteners:
  • 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, & 10mm

Common Set Configurations
  • Small Sets: Often 6mm - 14mm
  • Medium Sets: Typically 8mm - 19mm
  • Large Sets: Include up to 24mm, 27mm, or 32mm
 

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I’d say that the between standard and flange bolts, and the selection of thread sizes carried by MCMaster Carr for metric is a pretty comprehensive list of what wrench sizes are needed. And anything not on that list is basically a specialty tool for some custom machined part.

So for bolts, the heads listed are:
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Which basically aligns with 8-19 no skips and selective outside that range
 
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Dewalt Toughsystem promotion at Home Depot. This isn't a "buy now, think later"-type deal in my view, but if you were going to buy some Toughsystem products, then this might be a good opportunity.
I will never buy this kind of tool boxes, but I've killed time looking at Dewalt and Milwaukee. IMHO, Dewalt wins hands down. They're a better price and not gimmicky. I ran the thought experiment of what different trades actually need on a job site building houses for example. YOu need a small tote for hand tools, larger for power tools and 2 to 4 milk crate boxes. The only exception is if you're a finishing carpenter and you should go wild on Festool tools and boxes. From what I read, festool was the first to use standard boxes - they were an industrial box in germany that were repeatedly used in manufacturing. There's a DIN standard and everything.
 

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I will never buy this kind of tool boxes, but I've killed time looking at Dewalt and Milwaukee. IMHO, Dewalt wins hands down. They're a better price and not gimmicky. I ran the thought experiment of what different trades actually need on a job site building houses for example. YOu need a small tote for hand tools, larger for power tools and 2 to 4 milk crate boxes. The only exception is if you're a finishing carpenter and you should go wild on Festool tools and boxes. From what I read, festool was the first to use standard boxes - they were an industrial box in germany that were repeatedly used in manufacturing. There's a DIN standard and everything.

The only pro to the Dewalt I found, is the drawers have a rubber gasket, where as the Milwaukee don't. Otherwise the Dewalt drawers are a ton flimsier than PackOut. Th rest of the boxes are more similar, but with as many people wanting drawer setups, the Dewalt is not the way to go. Dewalt does have the larger DXL system, which is pretty stout, but also quite expensive, and limited mobility with how heavy they get.
 

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The DeWalt has a way better wall racking system than anything the packout offers


Although I read the 2.0 parts organiser doesn't work with it which is kind of dumb.
 

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Keep getting emails from Gray although unobtainium over here. 127 Canadian $ about £70 GBP for 10inch
Who makes these? German, could be any of a few firms.
 

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The only pro to the Dewalt I found, is the drawers have a rubber gasket, where as the Milwaukee don't. Otherwise the Dewalt drawers are a ton flimsier than PackOut. Th rest of the boxes are more similar, but with as many people wanting drawer setups, the Dewalt is not the way to go. Dewalt does have the larger DXL system, which is pretty stout, but also quite expensive, and limited mobility with how heavy they get.
As I said, I am talking the trades that build a house. They are supposed to be working not lugging a HEAVY box through the mud along with 59 drawers for everything they own. A plumber roughing in needs a tool hand tote, crimpers and a milk crate of fitttings and nails. Tomorrow on the same job will be different. An electrician small too tote, a cordless tote and milk crates of boxes etc.

I have tool boxes that so heavy so quick that they became unusable.
 

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Princess has a few deals again.

Wood screws for $13 and MIG nozzels for $2.91.




I placed an order today and was able to combine items from the last sale with the new sale (starts today online). Saves on shipping, $5.93.
 
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I wish to introduce everyone to my latest pet peeve: Why does a new cap and spout cost $11.99, but a whole new can (with a spout and cap) is $9.99? I've noticed it before but I rarely see the ads back-to-back.

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I've got like 5 jerry cans with cracked spouts or leaking seals. It seems so weird that I can get a whole new can for less than the parts.
 
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Page isn't up for me to link to (deal starts tomorrow), but the "BUY THE TOOL, GET A 2.0 AH BATTERY FOR $1" deal on Powerfist 20v tools is coming back - and the tools are on sale.
 

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I wish to introduce everyone to my latest pet peeve: Why does a new cap and spout cost $11.99, but a whole new can (with a spout and cap) is $9.99? I've noticed it before but I rarely see the ads back-to-back.

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I've got like 5 jerry cans with cracked spouts or leaking seals. It seems so weird that I can get a whole new can for less than the parts.
My dad recently needed a new cap and gasket, much as above he just bought a new can, dumb 🤬
 
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I've been looking for a 1/4" drive torque wrench for a while in the inch-lb, not ft-lb range for delicate fasteners like on my bicycle or my junker 2011 BMW 323i. And low and behold, the current Princess Auto March 9 - 22 flyer is now showing two on sale. Which one should I get:

(1) The lowly Powerfist branded model, 20 - 200 in-lb, no accuracy specified, for $19.99, 55% off

or,

(2) The Surplus/Hot Buy non-specified brand, electronic one, stated as 5 - 25 Nm (44 - 221 inch-lb), 3° ratcheting arc, +/-1.5% accuracy CW and +/-2.5% accuracy CCW, for $199. However in the online listing picture, it shows that it is a Gearwrench Model 120xp. It is clearly an older version - the current version is selling on Amazon Canada for $358 CAD and has slightly different specs and different display/controls.

Can the Gearwrench really be worth it at 10x the cost? Help me decide! Or is there something better out there?


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Look up some of THE video reviews of the GW
Guy at work as the 1/2" and the beeping is infuriating.
 
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I've been looking for a 1/4" drive torque wrench for a while in the inch-lb, not ft-lb range for delicate fasteners like on my bicycle or my junker 2011 BMW 323i. And low and behold, the current Princess Auto March 9 - 22 flyer is now showing two on sale. Which one should I get:

(1) The lowly Powerfist branded model, 20 - 200 in-lb, no accuracy specified, for $19.99, 55% off

or,

(2) The Surplus/Hot Buy non-specified brand, electronic one, stated as 5 - 25 Nm (44 - 221 inch-lb), 3° ratcheting arc, +/-1.5% accuracy CW and +/-2.5% accuracy CCW, for $199. However in the online listing picture, it shows that it is a Gearwrench Model 120xp. It is clearly an older version - the current version is selling on Amazon Canada for $358 CAD and has slightly different specs and different display/controls.

Can the Gearwrench really be worth it at 10x the cost? Help me decide! Or is there something better out there?
No, it's not actually 10x better. TTC did some testing of cheap torque wrenches and the uncomfortable fact is - torque wrenches basically test to their stated level of accuracy. I might be oversimplifying, but the point is that even cheap ones are as accurate as they say.

I have that cheap 1/4" torque wrench from Princess Auto - except I bought mine at least 15 years ago. It's a little unrefined, but it functions.

PA also had a Proto 1/4" bluetooth torque wrench recently. I bought mine a couple months ago, so they may be gone now. Likely not worth it either, but it was Proto so... I want to say it wasn't any more expensive than that Gearwrench.

Edit:

I tried searching for bluetooth torque wrench, but it didn't come up on the website. Google says "PA0009508029" was the sku, but it doesn't pop up either. Guess that's a dead deal at this point.
 

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Despite all the comments around here about 9mm or 11mm not existing, I’ve used every size from 8mm to 19mm. And no question things have changed over time, too - those 12mm became more useful with Japanese cars, and the 16mm flange head bolt rather than 17mm plain hex is more a thing today than years ago. But if I ever need a 61mm I will probably use a Creacent…
thank god my socket set is predominant Craftsman so individual sockets like 9mm can be obtained!
 

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thank god my socket set is predominant Craftsman so individual sockets like 9mm can be obtained!
The thing about mismatches -

If you have one mismatched socket, it’s hard for it not to bother you. The trick is that you need to add enough singles from a variety of brands, and it becomes a feature not a problem.

Kind of serious - I can be rather OCD. The first infill wrench I added to my Mastercraft Professional Series 11 piece set didn’t seem right. I’ve now extended it to 26 pieces with at least 6 different brands or styles, and it seems quite harmonious.
 
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The thing about mismatches -

If you have one mismatched socket, it’s hard for it not to bother you. The trick is that you need to add enough singles from a variety of brands, and it becomes a feature not a problem.

Kind of serious - I can be rather OCD. The first infill wrench I added to my Mastercraft Professional Series 11 piece set didn’t seem right. I’ve now extended it to 26 pieces with at least 6 different brands or styles, and it seems quite harmonious.
I have a wrench "set" that is entirely mismatched. Originally it started because I was buying singles of different wrenches to see which ones I might want to get as a complete set - might as well get different sizes I thought (so I have spares or whatever). Eventually I realized I was approaching a complete set of them, then I admit I just kept my eye open for any deals on missing sizes and finished it off.

That's not my only set, I have matching sets too. It's just that I left it as a "set" in my tool box because it can be fun to switch to different wrench styles as I work.
 
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I don't know if it's a DEAL, but I spotted these on Marketplace and though you all might be a good audience to appreciate it. I would absolutely rock a pair of these if they came in my size. :ROFLMAO:
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When did this happen??
 

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I don't know if it's a DEAL, but I spotted these on Marketplace and though you all might be a good audience to appreciate it. I would absolutely rock a pair of these if they came in my size. :ROFLMAO:
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When did this happen??
I wonder if those were for staff?

If they show up in store, I’ll be tempted, too.
 
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Refurbished Husqvarna 440 for $167.71 (clearance). I think that's online-only, but it's eligible for PA's free shipping. Seems like these are >$450 new. I might be cautious if I didn't live where I could simply return it to PA if I was unhappy, but that's a damn good price for a 440.

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Interesting review, but for the price I’m willing to disassemble and clean the carb:

“If I could give it a minus rating I would.I ordered one that was 6 years old (unknown how many hours were on it ).It wouldn't start so I returned it and ordered another one that arrived in even worse shape.I was told that if it's shipped from another province they send you the worst one they have so they are not stuck with it making it someone elses problem.Not a good way to treat loyal customers.”
 
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Interesting review, but for the price I’m willing to disassemble and clean the carb:

“If I could give it a minus rating I would.I ordered one that was 6 years old (unknown how many hours were on it ).It wouldn't start so I returned it and ordered another one that arrived in even worse shape.I was told that if it's shipped from another province they send you the worst one they have so they are not stuck with it making it someone elses problem.Not a good way to treat loyal customers.”
I saw that but wasn't sure how much weight to give it. That seems like a strange suggestion - that PA ships you the worst one they have. If they're refurbs they may not be new, but they ought to be entirely functional. With the return policy, I figured I would order and see what I get.

I have a Flexvolt saw already - I think battery saws are great. It's nice that they're quiet and you don't have to stop/start them - but I had been toying with the idea of a gas saw for when I'm doing a longer sawing session. There have been plenty of times when I burn through my three Flexvolt batteries and have to wait for a recharge cycle, which is annoying. Do I spent another $428 for two more batteries, or spend about that for a gas saw? For $167, I no longer have that dilemma.
 
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