Carport/shop

[Bill LeMieux]

Well, since the garage addition built on the street-side of the house didn't go over with the landlord, he suggested that I do some research on a metal out-building for placement on the side of the house (which is the back in relation to my entrance door).

So here's the deal. To deliver and set up an 18x21 foot metal building on the ground is roughly $2500.00.
I'm thinking of sinking 4x4 treated posts into the ground with another 4x4 atop of the posts for the foundation around the parimeter of the building. More post and beams down the center of the structure, then cross members for support of the partial wooden floor. The floor would be an "L" shape running the length of one 21' side and also along the back wall for a washer and dryer and whatever else. (workbench, shelves?) Parking will be on the gravel floor on the other half of the building.

Then there's insulating the whole thing, running electrical (outlets and lights) plumbing, etc. (plumbing and electric access is only a few feet away).

If I did all the work myself, including renting a skid steer ($259.00 a day) to prep for gravel, how much over the $2500.00 for the building is this going to cost in materials. The new driveway is approximately 75'. I guesstimated the whole shebang would be about $5000.00. How close do you think I am?
Much oblidged for the insight...
Bill

 

[Bill LeMieux]

Whoop! New info. Landlord Bob says a concrete slab is what he would want if he goes for it. Scratch the half wooden floor and 4x4 foundation idea...

 

[NUTTSGT]

If I did all the work myself, including renting a skid steer ($259.00 a day) to prep for gravel, how much over the $2500.00 for the building is this going to cost in materials. The new driveway is approximately 75'. I guesstimated the whole shebang would be about $5000.00. How close do you think I am?
Much oblidged for the insight...
Bill

Insight ? $5,000 will go a long way towards a deposit on a home of your own.

 

[LB-1911]

A couple of questions that need to be answered are;

Are you on city sewer or is there a septic system on site?
Any idea where your water supply line and sewage waste lines are?

 

[Bill LeMieux]

This entire project is being paid for by the landlord. The water supply (city) would come from the house about four feet away from the structure and I'm not sure where the (city) sewer lines are. I'll have the place flagged to be sure we aren't building on top of it. The washer and dryer are an afterthought and not necessarily a for sure thing.

 

[skyking]

Insight ? $5,000 will go a long way towards a deposit on a home of your own.

Ditto Ditto Ditto !!!!!!!!

Thats like buying your friends wife a bigger set of ****.................what the HEll for !!!

I would rather own my own trailer house than rent another mans Mansion.

 

[Bill LeMieux]

If you would like to know my thoughts as to how foolish it is to pay a bank three times the amount of the selling price of the house is over the life of the loan, then when it comes time to sell, get half of what you actually paid for the loan I would be happy to comment on YOUR thread that YOU started dealing with that subject matter!

 

[Ray Kelly]

I would still be leery about doing the work if you are only as experienced as you said you are. There are a lot of technical things about doing a job like this. And you said that you didn't know anything about it. That alone could cost you more than it should by correcting your mistakes as you go along.

 

[bczygan]

Before you go on thinking about this for one more second, consider some things.

What is your interest in all this? Do you have a yearly lease? If you finish the construction, what prevents the landlord from not renewing your lease and just enjoying all your hard work. Your sweat equity is worth a certain amount of money. What agreement do you have on paper that guarantees you are compensated with the use of this shop for a particular amount of time?
Once that is sorted out, then the very next thing is to figure out the zoning requirements and allowable uses for the property. They will determine what can be built and how it may be used and where it can be located. Is the apartment you rent even legal?
What is the property zoning?

 

[Jagmandave]

How big will the concrete pad be?

What are the footprint dimensions?

 

[bczygan]

Another issue.

You are posting what YOU want to do and then running it by the landlord.

If he is paying for it, then it is HIS project. You should be sitting down and finding out what HE wants to do. Then you can see if your needs are met by those plans.

A venture like this needs both parties to be hip to hip in the project. If you are truly partners, then you should both know exactly what the other wants for themselves and expects of the other person. You should be thick as thieves together.

 

[skyking]

If you would like to know my thoughts as to how foolish it is to pay a bank three times the amount of the selling price of the house is over the life of the loan, then when it comes time to sell, get half of what you actually paid for the loan I would be happy to comment on YOUR thread that YOU started dealing with that subject matter!

Bill ,you are new here ,but we try to avoid asking for help then scolding the responder. I live well off the few million I made on real estate over the years.My parents were great in teaching me to wait until I could pay cash then start to build money.I have a pension,military medical ,Social security ,and a lot of money. But you do it your way..............good luck.

 

[vtec?lol]

^What he said 100%

I know that's not why you created this thread but, I honestly find it somewhat foolish to get hype over a project at a rental property.

I work mortgage servicing and I can tell you, most of the homes that are taken away or forclosed on are rental properties. Owners stop caring about the payments and start racking in all the cash from renting and then just let the house go.

Not only that but renting should only be temporary. Yes mortgages cost an arm and a leg over the life of the loan but guess what? it's a loan. This is why you start small and save. Just becasue you make $4500 a month and are approved for a 200k mortgage doesn't mean you go and get a 200k mortgage. Find a smaller older property where the mortgage is lesser than 20% of your income, put double wat you pay in a private escrow or savings, and then buy the house out cash when you have enough. Sell, repeat until you get your dream home.

Then you can build what you want!

 

[Jagmandave]

There is no reason to comment on his personal circumstances or chide him over renting in this thread......he's doing what he wants to as any grown person should, and should be free from unwanted opinions.

How about we stick to the thread topic and the questions asked by the OP?

 

[Kevin54]

Ditto Ditto Ditto !!!!!!!!

Thats like buying your friends wife a bigger set of ****.................what the HEll for !!!

I would rather own my own trailer house than rent another mans Mansion.

 

[Zeke]

If the landlord is paying for the improvement, he has every right to raise the rent, now or later.

Houses used to cost 3 times the selling price at much higher rates and 30 year loans by the time they were paid off. It's no where near that nowadays. Besides, it's an extraordinary man who rents a house for 30 years and has in the bank or otherwise rather liquid equity that equals what the house would then sell for when the time comes.

In fact, I've never met that person in 67 years.

But the real reason to own is this is the last tax deduction and it does reduce the actual amount spent each year on ownership. Secondly, we owners are really only renting from the bank, but we have ownership of the rights to profit or lose; we have the rights to alter the property to our liking at any time. And we have rights to ask that people like landlords to not trespass.

Bill LeMieux, before you spout off about what the topic of the thread is, and is not, try and understand what the facts are if someone suggests an alternative plan.

 

[Bill LeMieux]

How big will the concrete pad be?

What are the footprint dimensions?

We haven't gotten that far yet. Bob said initially a gravel driveway and something about setting the building on blocks. He just told me yesterday about now wanting a slab. The footings and pad questions will follow if this project doesn't run into any road blocks.

 

[Bill LeMieux]

Another issue.

You are posting what YOU want to do and then running it by the landlord.

If he is paying for it, then it is HIS project. You should be sitting down and finding out what HE wants to do. Then you can see if your needs are met by those plans.

A venture like this needs both parties to be hip to hip in the project. If you are truly partners, then you should both know exactly what the other wants for themselves and expects of the other person. You should be thick as thieves together.

And we are doing just that. He and I are going to look at a sample structure and talk to the seller on Saturday. He also said he will have the property flagged for utilities.

Although this project is meant to fill MY needs as a long term tenant, they must also fill HIS needs as a landlord. If he wouldn't benefit from it he would have said no and I would have dropped the idea. And after the project is done and he raises my rent or kicks me out then I will leave with no hard feelings. I leave with more knowledge then when I came.

 

[Bill LeMieux]

there is no reason to comment on his personal circumstances or chide him over renting in this thread......he's doing what he wants to as any grown person should, and should be free from unwanted opinions.

How about we stick to the thread topic and the questions asked by the op?

thank you!

 

[Bill LeMieux]

My landlord is a licensed real estate broker who also has multiple rental properties. He is a business man, and a busy one. I assumed that the more research I can do to give him a bottom dollar the better my chances are at getting a favorable decision from him. That's all I wanted from y'all. To answer a simple question. I appreciate any additional comments that deal with the topic at hand but really folks, talking about my neighbors **** or why I spend my money and for what reasons are none of your concern. It is off topic garbage that I really don't wish to get into. I was told that one must have "thick skin" to be a part of this forum and I now see why. To weed through all the nonesence and off-topic jargon is frustrating when I'm trying to get some serious advice from some knowlegable folks. I don't wish to purchace my own home! I wish to rent from Bob but I would also like to have a garage and shop as part of it if it can be worked out. I'm all about having some fun too but for right now I have a job to do that is a serious subject for me. All I'm asking for is a little help. Thank you all again for the pertenant replies...

 

[SteveCh]

Since the landlord is paying, I'd do it. Like you said, you will gain lots of knowledge and experience you don't presently have. Lots of labor, but I find that sort of work pleasurable. And, I also like learning: "Oh, so that's how people do that, cool." Later, if and when you get your own place, you'll be set to do that level of work for yourself. Knowledge and experience are invaluable and will serve you all your life. Heck, it's just some of your time and physical exertion. I'd do it.

 

[NUTTSGT]

There is no reason to comment on his personal circumstances or chide him over renting in this thread......he's doing what he wants to as any grown person should, and should be free from unwanted opinions.

How about we stick to the thread topic and the questions asked by the OP?

Why ? Because as you should know Dave, we try to give fellow members the best advice possible. Whether the OP follows it and blows it off is his choice.

My landlord is a licensed real estate broker who also has multiple rental properties. He is a business man, and a busy one. I assumed that the more research I can do to give him a bottom dollar the better my chances are at getting a favorable decision from him. That's all I wanted from y'all. To answer a simple question. I appreciate any additional comments that deal with the topic at hand but really folks, talking about my neighbors **** or why I spend my money and for what reasons are none of your concern. It is off topic garbage that I really don't wish to get into. I was told that one must have "thick skin" to be a part of this forum and I now see why. To weed through all the nonesence and off-topic jargon is frustrating when I'm trying to get some serious advice from some knowlegable folks. I don't wish to purchace my own home! I wish to rent from Bob but I would also like to have a garage and shop as part of it if it can be worked out. I'm all about having some fun too but for right now I have a job to do that is a serious subject for me. All I'm asking for is a little help. Thank you all again for the pertenant replies...

Your landlord is a businessman, remember that, he's renting to make money. Ask all the questions you want but be prepared to answer our questions so we know know what is going on to help you get an honest and informed answer.

If you would have stated in your very first post that the landlord was paying for this, the thread would have went an entirely different way.

Thick skin here at the GJ, seriously, this place is tame. If you want harassed, belittled or called every name under the Sun head over to YellowBullet, they eat the weak over there. GJ, is a good bunch of guy (& girls) that will go out of their way to help you out, the bad apples are tossed out by Ryan and his crew of Mods.

Now keep this in mind, once this garage is built and the landlord raises your rent and you come back and complain, don't be surprised if you are told to "bang his wife".

Enjoy YOUR thread and your LANDLORD'S build.

 

[LB-1911]

We haven't gotten that far yet. Bob said initially a gravel driveway and something about setting the building on blocks. He just told me yesterday about now wanting a slab. The footings and pad questions will follow if this project doesn't run into any road blocks.

Why don't the two of you draw up a site plan and pay a visit to the bldg dept / permitting office?

Your site plan should include;
Property lines
Outline of existing and proposed buildings and structures
Distance between buildings
Distance between buildings and property lines (setbacks)
Driveways
Surrounding streets
Easements
Utilities

IMHO - The excavation, preparation, forming, pouring and finishing a mono slab of approx 18' x 21' Is Not something a novice should consider undertaking

 

[Jagmandave]

NUTTSGT, I agree with your assessment of the this site, it's one of the reasons I'm here.

However, I think comments about why doesn't he buy a home and derisive comments about a man his age renting were NOT under the scope of giving good advice, but more on the side of meddling.

The anonymity of an internet forum seems to give people the right or the balls to make unwanted comments that they would not make in person.

My only point was several people had strayed off the subject and were giving him "life-advice"......at 50+ years of age, I doubt many of us would appreciate it either.