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Celing Mount with radiant

gumbudah

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So I've been reading a LOT on here about radiant heat, as well as some about small ceiling mount gas heaters, trying to figure out what the best combination is for a garage I'm planning to build.

I love the idea of radiant, so I plan on installing it. I live in northern wisconsin, so my primary desire for floor heat comes from the ability to melt snow and ice off of vehicles and send it down a floor drain. So I'd like to keep the garage somewhere above 40 or so all the time in the winter. My problem though, is like others, I'm not in the garage 8 hours per day, so I don't want to keep it too warm in there. The problem then becomes how do I heat it up when I want to work in there. That's where the ceiling mount comes in. So, long and short of it, keep garage at 40-45 minimum by radiant heat, then heat to 70ish when I'm working in there.

Based on this usage, I'm trying to figure out what's the best way to go for the radiant heat source. I know many people say use a modulating condensing boiler, which I'd love, however looks to me like they are $3,000 minimum. Did i mention it will all be natural gas powered? At first I was thinking that was the way to go, however realizing that I'll be keeping the garage at such a low temp (I definately won't keep it higher than 50), I'm thinking maybe an on demand water heater, or a tank style water heater would work. I like the idea of using a wall mount tankless style, as it'd free up some floor space. I looked at menards and found a unit for less than $1k. That'd save $2,000 which I think it'd take a long time to make up if I went with the modulating boiler instead.

This seems like it'd be a good combination between the luxury of floor heat, the low capital cost of construction, and the killer cost of the monthly gas bill.
Does this seem reasonable?

Oh, while I'm at it, I do want the option to be able to completely shut the system off (i.e. if gas prices get too high I might choose not to heat the garage at all for the winter). As a result, I want to go with antifreeze in the lines rather than water. Any idea how this would effect the design?

On a similar note, I managed to find R15 garage doors at menards the other day. gonna try to go with those.
 
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GearBeer

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If you're not planning on keeping the temperature up in your garage then you should probably just go with the forced air heater. This is primarily for cost reasons. A ceiling fan will go a long way to reducing your energy consumption with a forced air heater like a "Hot Dawg."

Radiant, while efficient, is pretty expensive. So if it's not going to be your only source of heat it you're better off just going with one or the other.

That said I am (kind of) doing both. I have two garages (an old 24x24 for DDs and a new 24x24 single car workshop) joined by a 16' garage door. Both garages are insulated. The new garage has radiant; the old one had a wood stove. I'm eventually going to install a forced air heater in the new garage, but it will be on a pivot so I can turn it to heat the workshop.
 
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I have nearly the same system you're proposing and the same heating requirements as you do, also in WI. It's a 40x40 pole construction sealed up well, R19 in walls (+ 1.5 inch air gap under the interior OSB), R32 blown-in for the ceiling, 14 ft ceiling height. I have radiant in the floor with a standard 30 gal natural gas water heater up on the 8x14 loft (keeps the pilot light off the ground and frees up floor space). I keep the shop at about 40-50 all the time with the radiant. On weekends I have been using a portable propane heater to bring it up to 60-65 while I'm out there, dosn't take long and stays warm for several hours before I have to fire it up again. I use the four ceiling fans to distribute the heat from the propane. Natural gas cost about $95 / month last year, and I used about 30 lbs of propane all winter.

Originally I planned on moving the old forced air furnace from the house into the shop (planned room for it on the loft) but haven't spent the money on the new house furnace yet, maybe for next winter. So far I'm extremely happy with the radiant, works really well.
 
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