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MongoTA

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When I had our AC installed 20+ years ago, I was a stickler for the details during the site visits from three companies that I called. Gave them a list of what I wanted. Told them to tell me if my list was good, bad, or if I was misinformed. When all was settled, I told them I'd pay for the installation we agreed upon and I'd hold them accountable to it, so bid accordingly.

I hired the guy I felt most comfortable with. He bid Carrier, after he was in to the installation he asked if I'd take Bryant. He said same guts, just different colored sheet metal with a different name plate. He knocked a couple grand off for the Bryant. And then he installed half of each, Bryant outside and Carrier air handlers inside.

Anyhow he did a great job on the installation as well as the installation details. It's a 15 SEER Puron setup, so I hope I'm good for a few more years. All I've had to repair over the years is having to replace a couple of blown starter capacitors on one of the outdoor units.
 
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AP514

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I went with American Standard (18 seer) 2-1/2 ton and a 3 ton for my single story 3000Sq house back in 2003. I have a crappy $1 filter on wall inlet and a 4" Mrv 11/13 right before the inside evaporator. I clean the Coils inside and out every 5 years.
So far I have had zero trouble with the units..I figure another 15-20 years on these guys.
My Rental also had a American Standard and I just replaced it with another American Standard. (14 or 16 seer. can not remember) Original lasted 30 years.

So I am a Big Fan of American Standard
 

AlexT2020

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I have a Carrier split system installed at home, broke down a few times. Got the repair service covered by the warranty, but it broke down again, so I went to buy an American Standard mini-split. Still working up to date
 

driftpin

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My motorcycle-ridin' buddy with-whom I hit Daytona bike week each year (until COVID), is a childhood acquaintance, he's been his own business-owner with a HVAC master's license since his mid-20's, which means he's well-over 40 years in the business in so. FL.

We needed a new system at one of our houses. He referred me to a guy he partnered-with, when we needed a replacement system. He met him when they were installing AC systems in housing tracts with hundreds of homes, when he lived closer. Now, since my buddy's in Palm Beach Co. and we're in Miami-Dade Co. almost 100 mi. away, he referred me to the guy he used-to work with in the Ft. Lauderdale area. The guy he referred me to, is (was) something-else. In his 70's, he worked alongside the techs he hired, getting as-dirty as they did. No ductwork in attics for him, that's why he has employees.

I'll call him, "the Old Guy." (OG)

I needed a replacement in a 1600 sq ft ranch home, for a unit from the 1980's, (this was about 10 yrs ago) and as you can see, it was overdue, we hit summer, and by August, it couldn't cool the house adequately. He did the calcs and told us what size, he wasn't going to change any ducts in the attic, but the duct to the attic would be new. A worker had checked the attic and said things were OK, a few minor things that they would address but no new runs. Our electric not burying the thermostat in the summer for Aug. prior was $285.

The OG recommended Bryant, I wanted something high-efficiency, he gave us (remember, this was ~10 years-ago) a SEER of 19.5. It had one of those variable-speed motors, there were a couple of incentives which knocked off a lot of $.

I wanted the outside unit moved from where it was and I trenched for the refrigerant lines to his spec, and came-through the slab. They completed the install, I buried the lines, everything was inspected, and the system ran. It cooled well, the variable-speed motor was quiet, the thermostat had settings for humidity control, all-OK. Aug. came and went, our bill came-in $130! That's compared to $285 and inadequate cooling. If we spent the same amount on electric each month, the system would pay for itself in 2-1/2 years! We don't, but with the rebates and tax credit the federal government was offering at the time, the cost of the unit was comparable to full-cost of a Rheem-RUUD. That's what my bike-ridin' friend installs the most.

The OG had an interesting back-story. He was an A&P USAF member as a young man. He served as a service person for everybody's favorite kick-*** plane the SR-71. His tour of duty was Kadena AFB, Japan.When his enlistment was over, he came stateside and worked as an A&P guy for Pan-Am in Miami. I'm not-sure how, but he began doing AC service work, maybe as a sideline. He was able to pass the masters exam, and that's when he met my ridin' buddy.

Jump ahead about six years from when he did the install for us in a Ft. Lauderdale area house. We had a house in a Miami suburb, we remodeled it and did additions. He came-in during the planning stage and did the specs for a new install, including new ductwork. We got a Bryant variable-speed system, again high-efficiency. The project was for us to retire after it was done, we both were at full SS age by then. We had paid for the majority of the work, there was some small amount due. We hadn't heard from him in awhile, and we got a call from his #1 subordinate, who said, "I'm closing-out all of Joe's outstanding permits, and I saw that yours is still-open with the city." About that time, we'd gotten a notice from the city, so we were glad to-hear from the subordinate. He showed-up at our home, to give everything a once-over and he said, "everything looks-good, I'm trying to close all Joe's open permits and that will help-out his widow."

"What??? 'Help-out his widow!??' What happened to Joe?"

This is his story:
"I was working on a remove/replace for a small condo building on Miami Beach, I was up on the roof, Joe got up-there (he's in his early 70's by-then) to over-see things, and he was going to climb down. He was walking-away from me, and he wasn't paying-attention to where he was going, and he walked-right-off the roof. He didn't last-long in the hospital."

Jesus, what a surprise! He was a good guy, smart, and my friend the biker-buddy said he was better with the math in HVAC than he was. His info to us was spot-on, he did great work, his employees were good on our jobs, and he was knowledgeable on a variety of subjects. It's a shame that in a moment of inattention, he ended his life.

Our two systems are still going strong, and they saved us $$ on operating costs. Humidity is low, and even on the hottest days of a south Florida summer, we're comfortable. His subordinate had no-problem passing the HVAC masters exam, and now he has his own company. He maintains our systems. I'm missing the OG, Joe. RIP.
 

jjrbus

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A friend spent his life in building maintenance. Put a Trane in his house because nothing stops a Trane. Should of heard him screaming when the Trane stopped and a new fan cost him a small fortune, $1500 as I recall. Never seen him so upset.
 

Jim greengo

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Watch some HVAC Repair channels on Youtube. They are all going to show the same brands needing constant service/repair-

Goodman
Amana
Something_Star
Something_Tech

All the names you've never heard on the TV or radio.

You rarely see Lennox. Sometimes see Trane. Will see Carrier more than those two.


If you're gonna stay with plain-ole, cheap residential type equipment, go with Lennox.


If you're looking to cut your power bill in half, go with a Daikin mini-split or commercial VRV-S system. Ultimate comfort, generally knocking 35-50% off your current power bill.
I put very little stock in what any clown with a YouTube show has to say.
I've been in this business long enough to know that a properly installed goodman furnace and condensing unit needs no more general maintenance/repairs than a trane wreck/Lennox or carrier.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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todd_fuller

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Carriers: Hit or miss. Some are fine, some are terrible, generally feel I've seen seems to be that they are also on the decline.

Our AC went out at the beginning of last summer here in Austin. We had a Trane the builder installed poorly. Replaced with a Carrier. In my researching, it seemed that Carrier was using some specific multi-speed compressor that just wasn't long lasting. Their 'greenspeed' was problematic and they recently replaced it with a Toshiba 5-speed compressor that seems to have improved things. Problem is they still sell the older design, so you have to be thoughtful of choice.

I had a Lennox variable speed installed on our old house in Dallas. Quality system. Installer was better even though local Carrier installer thought they were great. So may have something to do with dealer requirements from the manufacturer.
 

cstmg8

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I put very little stock in what any clown with a YouTube show has to say.

I've been in this business long enough to know that a properly installed goodman furnace and condensing unit needs no more general maintenance/repairs than a trane wreck/Lennox or carrier.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I've installed a lot of Goodman systems that are running trouble free 10 years later. Customers I still have a relationship with. There are definitely higher quality brands out there, but I think a lot of it has to do with install practices.

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LS6 Tommy

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I put very little stock in what any clown with a YouTube show has to say.
I've been in this business long enough to know that a properly installed goodman furnace and condensing unit needs no more general maintenance/repairs than a trane wreck/Lennox or carrier.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Agreed!

Tommy
 

Terry D

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You have to be able to know the good from bad on you Tube. There are some very knowledgeable people on there, and others not so much. You have to have a pretty good understanding and also be mechanically inclined to know good from bad. I have learned a lot from there, and some of the channels you just think, WTF. Im a licensed electrical contractor, so electric is my main thing. I am also EPA certified. Having the know how and the correct tools is the name of the game for a proper install. An old timer taught me the basics a long time ago, since then i have expanded on that. He swore by Goodman. The thing is any one can buy a Goodman, no EPA required. What gives Goodman a bad name alot of times is bad installs. I have seen plenty of Goodman units that have been installed correctly and running just fine for years.. Take a Trane, dont give it good air flow, not a proper charge and get some non condensables in the system and see what happens.

Same thing goes with mini splits, the market is flooded with them. Anyone can buy them. A proper install on them makes all the difference
 
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Rich M.

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So it seems that everyone is in agreement that a proper install is key for a good running and lasting units. The question I have to ask is how does a person not associated with HVAC know what a proper installation looks like. I would ask around for references, but chances are the reference people may have not had their systems very long. So right everything is fine. Could look to see how long the installers has been in business, not a full proof means. Check for complaints through the Better Business Bureau and state licensing, which never seems to produce any helpful information. When meeting with companies everything they do is correct and their brand is always best. Well that is what they say. Now for some it is probably true and for others it is a falsehood, not a real lie in their minds. Roofing sales people are the best (or worse) at this. Remember, they all carry the best shingles in the business.
 

American Locomotive

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So it seems that everyone is in agreement that a proper install is key for a good running and lasting units. The question I have to ask is how does a person not associated with HVAC know what a proper installation looks like. I would ask around for references, but chances are the reference people may have not had their systems very long. So right everything is fine. Could look to see how long the installers has been in business, not a full proof means. Check for complaints through the Better Business Bureau and state licensing, which never seems to produce any helpful information. When meeting with companies everything they do is correct and their brand is always best. Well that is what they say. Now for some it is probably true and for others it is a falsehood, not a real lie in their minds. Roofing sales people are the best (or worse) at this. Remember, they all carry the best shingles in the business.

If quote and installing a new system, a competent HVAC contractor will perform a "Manual J" heating and cooling load analysis. These tests take a while, and are pretty involved. They include taking a lot of measures, doing air leakage tests (they install a big blower in a doorway to find air leaks in your house), sun-load calculations and more. If they do a "load calculation" by just asking how many square-feet your house is - they're hacks.

Then, they'll do a "Manual S" to properly size a system based on the data from the "Manual J"

If it's a completely new system, including ducts - they should also be performing a Manual T and Manual D. But at the minimum, they should do a Manual J and S and show you the results.
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For replacing "like-for-like", you should be looking at overall signs of craftsmanship. Are they using nice custom made ducts, or tons of terrible flex duct (the infamous "duct octopus" comes to mind) ? Does everything look neat and tidy, or are wires, hoses and lines running all over the place? Did they pull a deep vacuum on your system before charging it (at least 500 microns for 45 minutes - hour or more)? You could also ask to see pictures of prior work and references to call.

Last but not least is to inform yourself. Just literally Google search pictures of proper and bad HVAC installs. You'll quickly get a sense of what acceptable installs look like.
 
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