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bayoutoolguy

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I usually send my Snap On torque wrenches to Angle Repair every 6 months for calibration and certification. Every 6 months might seem a little too frequent, but I don't mind. My question is, I only use them for personal use, my truck, boat, and things like that. Theyre not extremely critical applications such as aviation and the military. So while the calibration is necessary, is the certification, and paying the extra $25 for it, worth it?
 
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NO not necessary. To be perfectly honest, I'm thinking none of it is necessary if you only use it on your truck, boat, etc... Especially every 6 months...
 

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My bud has an engine shop so his torque wrenches reaman sanctified, certified ets. $20000 blown motors require that.
I just run over and set one to 80 ft lbs. Loosen and tighten/Wait for the click on my lug nuts and see if my ole cheapo junk(or beam) responds the same. They always do.......for YEARS.10 lbs over or under is a problem with a Carillo rod and 11000 rpm-1300 hp engine.
For a redneck torquing up a head on a pick'emup truck or backhoe...not so much
 
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I dropped my inch pounds wrench twice the other day on concrete(too many things in my hands) and I let a friend borrow my ft lbs wrench, so just to be safe, I'll send them both off for calibration.
 

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I have a couple that need done. But every 6 months for personal use? I wish I had your money to spend. I'm more ever few years for professional use. They usually come back saying they were under 8%.
 

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In the aviation world we sent torque wrenches off annually unless they get drop checked, then they are pulled from service till they get calibrated.
 

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10 lbs over or under is a problem with a Carillo rod and 11000 rpm-1300 hp engine.
For a redneck torquing up a head on a pick'emup truck or backhoe...not so much

Big end bolts on hi performance engines are torqued and then mic'd with a stretch gage to check for the proper amount of stretch which is the crucial condition of rod bolts. But, yeah, every six months for home use is overkill.
 

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Couple of years ago I sent 2 of my SO torque wrenches for calibration and when they came back I took my Powerbuilt digital torque adapter and verified its reading against the newly calibrated wrenches. It was very close so next I took my other torque wrenches and checked them with the digital thingie (10 pulls per wrench to minimize user error). All but one were so close there was no need to send them for calibration. One was 10-20% off over entire scale so that one I retired and replaced it with new one.

I recheck the wrenches every now and then to verify they are still ok either with the digital adapter or other calibrated wrench.

And no, one does not need certification for home use, who are you going to show it? To your wife? ;)
 
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Never had mine factory checked and used 1 in the last few years on a tractor head and before that on rods on a golf cart. Had a helper read a chart wrong on a cart and caused a problem, way too loose and I dont use them but do it by hand.
A lot of new cars do not need the constant engine work that they did in days of old and many dont have a feel between 10# or 20 or 30. I saw a test, 1 guy out of 10 got it right and he was perfect, a couple as low as 7 for 25 and these are guys with electric licenses in their pockets.
Must be they never had a chance to compare their feel with a wrench like the motor heads did. Seems to be a bit lacking in training and no wonder they have to require a wrench when a guy cant feel if its tight.
 

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6 months is very excessive, unless you throw that thing around and run a tire shop... Or you have a specific need where bolts must be torqued to exact specs every time or bad things will happen...

Does it cost less just for calibration without the certs? I don't see why you would need the paperwork.
 
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I usually send my Snap On torque wrenches to Angle Repair every 6 months for calibration and certification. Every 6 months might seem a little too frequent, but I don't mind. My question is, I only use them for personal use, my truck, boat, and things like that. Theyre not extremely critical applications such as aviation and the military. So while the calibration is necessary, is the certification, and paying the extra $25 for it, worth it?

The certification only really applies if someone is going to sue you if you do it wrong. If it is your stuff, there is no point on being certified.

Calibrated is another issue. I my wrenches out every two years or so. I do maybe one engine a year and a couple of tire changes. There is no right answer on how often to do it. Depends on what it is worth to you to be wrong. If an incorrect torque would cause the head to lift and ruin a $20k engine and I was building a couple of those a month I would probably send them out often.

Now that I have a couple of carbon fiber bikes I send my torque screw drivers out to be calibrated every six months. As little as 3 in lbs is the difference between a component rattling off and cracking a $2000 frame. One mistake could easily pay for 100 calibrations.
 
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EOC Jason, I guess you can say I'm just very particular when it comes to doing things right. Might be something to do with having Aspergers. Yes it $25 per tool for calibration, and $25 per tool for certification. So I'd be saving $50 when I send those two wrenches out.
 

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EOC Jason, I guess you can say I'm just very particular when it comes to doing things right. Might be something to do with having Aspergers. Yes it $25 per tool for calibration, and $25 per tool for certification. So I'd be saving $50 when I send those two wrenches out.

Check the duty cycles on your particular torque wrench. Th enumbers I've seen are typically around 2-5000 duty cycles are expected before a re-cert should be needed. This is 10-20 torques a day x 250 business days a year. Such that this allows the instrument to be used for 1 year and certified annually without an expectation that the instrument would fail in-between.

If your wrench is in this type of category, than even with major OCD its probaby OK to get them cal/checked without cert for the intervals shorter than the likely duty cycle usage. Then with that piece of mind, get the more formally (w/paperwork) done around the time you think the duty cycles are approaching their limit or you are worried about maybe the internals (grease can dry out etc over multiple years).

Anyhow, just another way too look at things. :thumbup:
 

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Just curious if their paperwork showed a before & after calibration info? How far out of spec (if at all) they have been?

As one other person posted above, the cost of not having their torque wrench calibrated and damaging something far exceeds the cost to get it done 2x a year. For others that use it for less delicate things, being a little out of spec wouldn't make any appreciable difference. Like I've seen things that give such a wide torque range you could almost just do it by guessing, but I typically like to set mine right in the middle of the range they give.

If doing it twice a year helps you sleep better at night, then it's money well spent. ;)
 

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No, it's really for the ISO paper trail in factories primarily.

Except for a couple issues...For the Calibration you get a report showing the date it was calibrated and nothing more. No data and no indication what was done (adjusted, lubed, parts replaced, etc). The Certificate shows you the As Found and As Left data (but still not what was done) so you can track whether your wrench is drifting--and that info is used to set how often you send it out for verification.
Oh--and Angle is not accredited so their certifications wouldn't be accepted by most ISO-accredited quality systems.

I've been sending them repair work for years because they are cheap & do a good job but it annoys the hell out of me that they never state WHAT they did.
 

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I've been sending them repair work for years because they are cheap & do a good job but it annoys the hell out of me that they never state WHAT they did.

Couldn't you ask them to notate the info you want when you drop it off? They probably don't do it because most companies don't care or will ever read that extra info.
 

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Snap on sell a small torque tester. Get that mount it and test your wrenches every few months log the numbers and when they start to go out send them out for calibration.
 

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Except for a couple issues...For the Calibration you get a report showing the date it was calibrated and nothing more. No data and no indication what was done (adjusted, lubed, parts replaced, etc). The Certificate shows you the As Found and As Left data (but still not what was done) so you can track whether your wrench is drifting--and that info is used to set how often you send it out for verification.
Oh--and Angle is not accredited so their certifications wouldn't be accepted by most ISO-accredited quality systems.

I've been sending them repair work for years because they are cheap & do a good job but it annoys the hell out of me that they never state WHAT they did.

I guess it depends on who does your calibrations. For my personal stuff I send out, I get a full report back with my calibrations. Date, range tested, pass/fail at several different point in the range, percentage error, and if any work was done. For the stuff at work it just gets a pass/fail sticker with the date of the test and the next due date. We do a lot of calibration in house.

With certifications I get as found results, full test results, and most importantly the calibration certification of the device used to calibrate the wrench. There is very little difference in the actual results received. Theoretically I could track certified result all the way back to a international standard in France if I was so inclined.

With certification, I also get a legal document that transfers some liability should anything go wrong to the company that did the certification and their insurance. For your average person, that is about useless. For a production line with millions of dollars of liability it can be critical. You have to prove that the instrument was the cause of the failure and everything else was done correctly and the failure was the result of the tool. In order to do that, you have to have a fully documented quality assurance process and every t crossed and I dotted. It can takes years and hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to complete. Not something that is important to your average home owner/mechanic.

I have watched that legal process play out in the ship yards a few times. It is fascinating to watch. One of the local shipyards screwed up a head job on a large diesel engine and ended up damaging the cylinder (each cylinder has its own head). Between the actual damages and the shipping loses, it ended up being a several million dollar job. They tracked and checked every tool used in the job, verified that all the people doing the work were qualified, verified all the QA points were done, verified the people who verified the QA checks where qualified, they checked the work spec vs the OEMs instructions, and even check if the engineer at the OEM who wrote the manual was a qualified and a PE. In the end, the calibration companies insurance ended up eating the repair cost.
 

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Even for military stuff most of our torque wrenches were done either once a year or once every other year. And I think in 23 years I think maybe once we had one fail.
 
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