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Took my Stihl in for service. I gave them a limit and said I may get a new saw if it exceeds. This dealer sells Echo and Husquvarna. Are the chains compatible? I have at lease a dozen chains in fair shape. I'd hate to have to get others. I would get Stihl again but the only dealer nearby is a place I won't go any more. They did me wrong on another issue.
 
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Not all are compatible between manufacturers, but quite a few are. Bars too, although they make adapters. The last 2 saws I bought were Echo and I've been extremely impressed. Still have by Husq Rancher and a host of others, but Echo's 2511-T is extremely impressive, but it's actually a top-handle saw for arborists. I've got huge Oaks over my house which require frequent attention and I love to climb.
 

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12 chains ? don't you guys sharpen your dull edges ?
I have a diamond impregnated bit in a milwaukee 12v dremel type grinder, takes a minute or two to put an edge back on the chain in the field.
 

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Took my Stihl in for service. I gave them a limit and said I may get a new saw if it exceeds. This dealer sells Echo and Husquvarna. Are the chains compatible? I have at lease a dozen chains in fair shape. I'd hate to have to get others. I would get Stihl again but the only dealer nearby is a place I won't go any more. They did me wrong on another issue.
You need to compare the following:
1. Pitch
2. Number of drive links
3. Kerf

It varies between manufacturers and class of saw. If kerf and pitch match then chains can generally be lengthened or shortened.
 

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I've always stuck with Stihl RS chains on my MS441 because they are the highest quality in my opinion. My brother cuts for a living and he uses Stihl chains on his Husky for what it's worth.
 

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Sell the saw and chains on FB market and move on. People pay crazy prices for Stihl, running or not. That said, some chains work, others will require new bars and or sprockets.
 

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You need to compare the following:
1. Pitch
2. Number of drive links
3. Kerf

It varies between manufacturers and class of saw. If kerf and pitch match then chains can generally be lengthened or shortened.
Not only this, but many chainsaws have different sprocket / bar / kerf options for the same saw. Then add bar length to the mix.

I usually get my chains from Bailey’s online. The quality is pretty good, and cost is much lower than Stihl. The I’m not a logger or arborist, so I don’t need to pay the Stihl club membership tax for no perceived added value.

An electric chain sharpener is a pretty good investment. I got mine from Northern tool several years ago for less than $75, at a time the local saw shop was getting $9.00 to sharpen a chain.

The little Dremmel grinder wheels didn’t work for me. They wore too fast.

Lots of people just use a file and file guide and get good results.
 

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The shop called that the saw isn’t worth fixing. I’ll buy a new one & sell the chains on Craigslist.
I’ll probably buy from this shop. They sell Echo & Husqevarna. Who has had these brands? I’m not a heavy user but go at it hard when a storm hits so I need something reasonably sturdy. Hope to stick with 18 inch. That length has been right for me.
 

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For chains, they are universal between brands, but different saws can use different sizes (within the same brand or otherwise). The two chain parameters that cannot be changed are pitch and gauge. Pitch is how "long" the links are, with the most common being 3/8" and .325" (the latter generally only on smaller saws and shorter bars). 3/8" low profile is sometimes on especially small saws like top handles, and .404" is sometimes used on the very largest saws (though nowadays, even those tend to be 3/8). In the old days of big, low rpm saws there was stuff like 1/2" and 3/4" too. Gauge is how wide the the bottom of the drive links that rides in the bar groove is. That is usually going to be .050", .058", or .063", with .050" being most common.

Both of these parameters are what they are- if you want to use a chain with a different pitch than what the saw has, you need to change the drive sprocket on the saw (easy and inexpensive to do, as the sprockets are basically disposable wear items anyway) and possibly the bar if it is a sprocket tip. To change the gauge, you need to replace the bar (drive sprockets aren't gauge-specific).

The third parameter is the number of drive links, which is related to bar length. GENERALLY, the number of drivers is the same for a given pitch and bar length regardless of brand- 72t for 20", 84t for 24", etc. Sometimes this will differ by a link for a certain bar/saw/sprocket combination, though even then often you might be able to make it work using the adjustment available in the tensioning slot. It's easy enough to make chains shorter by having a shop take out however many links. Making it longer is possible I suppose, but I haven't really seen it- putting a new section of chain in a worn/loose/stretched old chain just seems like more trouble than it's worth.

The bars themselves are kind of a pain. Basically there is the Stihl pattern and the Husqvarna pattern. Pretty much everyone besides Stihl uses the Husky pattern, so bars are pretty interchangable between most modern non-Stihl saws. I think maybe Solo used a Stihl pattern when they were still selling saws, but that's about it. Stihl has larger diameter studs that are closer together, and there are some differences in the tensioner hole as well. There are adapters available to take up the extra space when using Stihl bars on Husky pattern saws, but there is still the issue of slot length and tensioner hole size. So it often requires some work on the bar with a Dremel or similar to make it work. Not really worth it for most people. The Stihl pattern uses bigger nuts for the bar mount (they use the big side on the wrench end of a scrench), Husky has smaller nuts with a more pronounced flange.
 

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The shop called that the saw isn’t worth fixing. I’ll buy a new one & sell the chains on Craigslist.
I’ll probably buy from this shop. They sell Echo & Husqevarna. Who has had these brands? I’m not a heavy user but go at it hard when a storm hits so I need something reasonably sturdy. Hope to stick with 18 inch. That length has been right for me.
I have had not. I like them. Also have 4 STIHL saws, and a couple of other brands.

STIHL is going all box store, primarily Ace hardware in my area and John Deere dealerships. My local saw shop was a dual STIHL / Husqvarna dealer, but STIHL cut him (and all the other ma and pa shops) unless they buy a $60k STIHL product showcase display, which he won’t do. Ace has expanded their higher end STIHL offerings, but has no qualified technicians or service capabilities.
 

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Stihl 026. Said it has a scored cylinder.
The 026 is a professional grade saw with a great reputation and worth saving. There's a ton of affordable aftermarket top ends. It's so well engineered you can swap top ends on the tailgate of a truck with just one or two tools. Don't let that shop scrap out your saw. (they're blowing smoke up your ***). If you don't want it, sell it on Ebay. (they are sought after).

For Echo, I'd be looking at a CS-501P, CS-620P or CS-590. For Husky the 550XP is a fabulous saw. (best of class in the 50cc, 18" segment)
 

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The 026 is a professional grade saw with a great reputation and worth saving. There's a ton of affordable aftermarket top ends. It's so well engineered you can swap top ends on the tailgate of a truck with just one or two tools. Don't let that shop scrap out your saw. If you don't want it sell it on Ebay. (they are sought after).

For Echo, I'd be looking at a CS-501P, CS-620P or CS-590. For Husky the 550XP is a fabulous great saw.
I feel like tipping the shop off may have instantly condemned the saw
 

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Stihl 026. Said it has a scored cylinder.
The 026n is my favorite Stihl. It is the only non clamshell model short of the 036. It also puts out more power than any model short of 031 while having several pounds less weight. On top of that, being a metal frame model, you can replace the cylinder in less than thirty minutes and parts are available from Farmertek. Do it yourself and it will cost less than $30.
 
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The 026n is my favorite Stihl. It is the only non clamshell model short of the 036. It also puts out more power than any model short of 031 while having several pounds less weight. On top of that, being a metal frame model, you can replace the cylinder in less than thirty minutes and parts are available from Farmertek. Do it yourself and it will cost less than $30.
I'm guessing a new saw is around $1000
 

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I vote for fixing the saw yourself, and buying the sharpener mentioned above. I've had good luck doing the same on my Husq.

When you ask a shop that sells new expensive things whether you should buy them, the answer is usually yes.
 
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Hmmnn, maybe I’ll take it to the Stihl dealer next town over. It’s a bit out of the way. I bought the saw there years ago when I worked in that town.
 
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You can change the pitch by changing the sprocket on the chainsaw. My old Husky 55 Rancher is .325, my newer Husky 395XP is .375. If I ever wear out the .325 loops used on the rancher I'll put a .375 sprocket on it. I have several bars for the XP395, the shorter ones can go on the 55 Rancher as well
You can change the bar if you need to change kerf, the longer the bar the more drive links required. Some bars are cross compatable, some are not.

I use Oregon chains. I bought a spool and make my own loops. It's not terribly difficult to lengthen or shorten a chain by adding links. You can buy a pack of tie straps to do so, they are pitch specific.
 

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Not only this, but many chainsaws have different sprocket / bar / kerf options for the same saw. Then add bar length to the mix.

I usually get my chains from Bailey’s online. The quality is pretty good, and cost is much lower than Stihl. The I’m not a logger or arborist, so I don’t need to pay the Stihl club membership tax for no perceived added value.

An electric chain sharpener is a pretty good investment. I got mine from Northern tool several years ago for less than $75, at a time the local saw shop was getting $9.00 to sharpen a chain.

The little Dremmel grinder wheels didn’t work for me. They wore too fast.

Lots of people just use a file and file guide and get good results.
As long as you stay on it and don't let the chain get too dull, I find a file to be about as fast as the Dremel and less hassle
 

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Simply my opinion, but I'm also saw shopping.
I had an 044 that apparently was ported before I bought it, despite it not having much time on it. Man did it run good but plugged air filters like crazy. I have had my Husky 350 since 2006 and finally replaced the air filter recently just because. Now comes the fun part. The drive clutch on the Stihl is on the inside so when you throw a chain it causes no damage to the chain. The Husky uses an outboard clutch and when the chain jumps off it hammers the face of the drive teeth so I have to pull the chain off and clean the drivers up before they will go back in the bar. So each has their plus and minus. I'm now looking at an Echo, which has a good reputation, and has an awesome air filtration system and an inboard clutch. Hoping to have the best of both worlds in one platform. I got an Echo top handle from my dad that must be 20 years old and still runs like a top.
 

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Sthil 026 is 100% worth saving.

Regarding husky vs echo, both make some great saws, both make some terrible saws.

I used a 50cc (ish) echo on a job last month and was really impressed, felt a bit lighter and more nimble than my ms261 (which is the new version of your 026 and is a great saw). Before this, I wouldn't have touched an echo, but it really did work nicely.
 

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Simply my opinion, but I'm also saw shopping.
I had an 044 that apparently was ported before I bought it, despite it not having much time on it. Man did it run good but plugged air filters like crazy. I have had my Husky 350 since 2006 and finally replaced the air filter recently just because. Now comes the fun part. The drive clutch on the Stihl is on the inside so when you throw a chain it causes no damage to the chain. The Husky uses an outboard clutch and when the chain jumps off it hammers the face of the drive teeth so I have to pull the chain off and clean the drivers up before they will go back in the bar. So each has their plus and minus. I'm now looking at an Echo, which has a good reputation, and has an awesome air filtration system and an inboard clutch. Hoping to have the best of both worlds in one platform. I got an Echo top handle from my dad that must be 20 years old and still runs like a top.

How often do you throw chains?! Check your chain tension and bar rails.

Agree outboard clutch is a pita, but for me is because if you get the saw stuck, you can't take the engine off the bar.
 

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Sell the 026 on FB and pick up an Echo. I bet you'll be almost even. Especially if you can get in on the 15% off echo spring sale. I have a CS590, it's an awesome saw. It's so quiet and tame in my hands yet it cuts wood like an angry beast.

Whatever you do, don't leave the saw at the dealer.
 

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Hmmnn, maybe I’ll take it to the Stihl dealer next town over. It’s a bit out of the way. I bought the saw there years ago when I worked in that town.
If you take it to a $tihl dealer they'll **** you on overpriced OEM Parts. Just rebuild the top end yourself with an aftermarket kit. There are tons of youtube videos and it's not difficult.

You should also find out why the cylinder was scored. (straight gas, improper oil mix, running too lean, dull chain, worn seals, dirty air filter, etc).
 
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If you take it to a $tihl dealer they'll **** you on overpriced OEM Parts. Just rebuild the top end yourself with an aftermarket kit. There are tons of youtube videos and it's not difficult.

You should also find out why the cylinder was scored. (straight gas, improper oil mix, running too lean, dull chain, worn seals, dirty air filter, etc).
I’ll look into that but I’m not much of a mechanic. I’m just a worn out electrician. 🤣

I just picked up the saw. It’s an MS 260. My first one years ago would have been the 026. Is the 260 also a classic?

Comparable Echo $385.
 

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How often do you throw chains?! Check your chain tension and bar rails.

Agree outboard clutch is a pita, but for me is because if you get the saw stuck, you can't take the engine off the bar.
Not when cutting larger wood. Precommercial thinning and cutting brush where it can jam between the bar and chain easier.
The powerhead removal is also a nice add.
 

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Not when cutting larger wood. Precommercial thinning and cutting brush where it can jam between the bar and chain easier.
The powerhead removal is also a nice add.
Ahh Yeh that's fair enough. I always crank the tension up a little when cutting brush.
 

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I’ll look into that but I’m not much of a mechanic. I’m just a worn out electrician. 🤣

I just picked up the saw. It’s an MS 260. My first one years ago would have been the 026. Is the 260 also a classic?

Comparable Echo $385.

If you have time on your hands and basic skills, change the pot. If you dont have time and need to cut a load of wood, buy the echo. I'd keep the 260 in the shed for the day you can change it thou.
 
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