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Didja make up your mind yet? In typical GJ fashion, four pages of opinions, most of them having nothing to do with the original topic and of course, paying no attention to the planned usage of the saw. I say if the Stihl is easy to source, go for it. It's what I would get for the occasional , as in not everyday nor professional, use. if it were readily available. I'm going to guess that in the price range they are all pretty much the same and if Menards carried Stihl, I would have bought the same saw. They carry Poulan so that's what I bought. I started with the 42 cc with the 18" bar and it works as it should, the only bad thing is that, like every other thing I've had with the Poulan name on it, it's cold blooded, but once it's warmed up, works flawlessly. One storm, an 80+' cottonwood tree decided to become a 50' tall tree and while I was cleaning up that mess, the tree shifted and I got the bar stuck...bad. I probably could have used a Sawzall to free it up but, me being me and not having the ability to think rationally when under duress or when pissed off, made the 30 minute drive each way and bought the Poulan 50cc with a 20" bar. It worked and now I have two saws. (Actually three if you count the 16" homeowner special Homelite that has the plastic chain adjustment that constantly loosens up causing the chain to come off). I also have a Remington pole mounted electric saw that does a helluva job for what it is. It ain't gonna cut up a tree, but in a pinch could be taken off of the pole to help free up a stuck bar if a Sawzall or other chain saw isn't available.

In all honesty, I think battery powered saws have their place and that place is trimming, but only if you already have tools that run on the same platform. Unless I had a ton of batteries available, wouldn't want to rely on one to clear enough **** to get out of the driveway in the case of an emergency.
I'm buying a used ms251 from @Davefr and am contemplating a battery saw in addition, but based on what I have seen regarding some of the ego saws, I'm not loving the idea of depending on it. May buy a 20v Dewalt 12" as a pruning/backup saw as I have a good number of Dewalt batteries and the bare saw can be had for about 150. I do things now with a sawzall that would be easier with a small cordless chainsaw, so that would get a little runtime

For the gas saw, I'll have a spare bar and chain and will probably grab a spare carb to have on the shelf. If there are any other spares worth having (oil pump, fuel lines?), I'm open to suggestions.
 
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I'm buying a used ms251 from @Davefr and am contemplating a battery saw in addition, but based on what I have seen regarding some of the ego saws, I'm not loving the idea of depending on it. May buy a 20v Dewalt 12" as a pruning/backup saw as I have a good number of Dewalt batteries and the bare saw can be had for about 150. I do things now with a sawzall that would be easier with a small cordless chainsaw, so that would get a little runtime

For the gas saw, I'll have a spare bar and chain and will probably grab a spare carb to have on the shelf. If there are any other spares worth having (oil pump, fuel lines?), I'm open to suggestions.

I don't bother keeping spare parts outside of a new chain for each saw in the respective cases, I would probably forget I had a spare carb and in the event I remembered, wouldn't know where I put it. In my case, I figure if one saw blows up, I have another and the odds of wearing one of them out in my lifetime are pretty slim but if I do manage to, I'll buy another and hope that it isn't right after a tornado has gone through. I have a manual file sharpener but don't use it since I bought the sharpening tool for the Dremel. Gas and oil. If you don't have any other two stroke tools, a couple of cans of Tru-Fuel would make sense as well as a couple of quarts of oil. My smaller saws as well as the leaf blower and weed eater are 50:1, the post hole digger is 32:1, and the big saw is 40:1 mix so instead of keeping all of that on hand I started using Amsoil Sabre two stroke oil at an 80:1 mix (two bottles to two gallons of gas even though they claim it could be a universal 100:1) and keep two gallons mixed up along with Seafoam for a stabilizer. If there were a storm and no gas was available, I try to keep 35 gallons of regular no ethanol on hand so I could mix some up if needed. I also buy bar oil by the gallon and when I'm down to 1/4 - 1/2 gallon and I think of it, buy another. You can only be so prepared for something but just by having the essentials on hand, you are ahead of 90+% of the population that thinks the gubbamint is gonna save the day....
 

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I'm buying a used ms251 from @Davefr

Good option!

I cut a lot of big oak and cleared many trails with mine before I treated myself to a new saw. Here's the issues I had:

-I broke chain tensioner because I was a *******. That said, design is just a pin pressed into stamped base, be gentle.
-saw needed to be tuned within a month of buying
-trigger mechanism likes to come undone internally. Never figured out why, and goes right together, but confusing the first time saw wouldn't go anymore mid cut. May have been self induced do to falling from bucket and rolling down mountain

Overall very happy considering how much I abused this light, non-pro saw. Been through countless chains and at least 2 bars, I'm sure if I give it some TLC (new fuel parts, new sprocket, new clutch and tuneup) it would be just like new:

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For the gas saw, I'll have a spare bar and chain and will probably grab a spare carb to have on the shelf. If there are any other spares worth having (oil pump, fuel lines?), I'm open to suggestions.

Spar bar and chain are good when you pinch in a tree. Maybe a fuel and air filter (note to self), but not a carb. An extra file and scwrench.

Of course, better solution is a 2nd saw.
 

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I only read the first page and this one.

I have two chainsaws. A MS250 that cuts fine but tends to flood on startup.
Also have an Echo Timberwolf that is great in every way for me.

Largest tree I've taken down was ~18 inch diameter. Echo handled it fine.
Stihl saws have a specific start procedure. Set the choke and pull until the saw makes an effort to start. Do not pull again until you reset the throttle to mid position. That is what it is for. It should start on the next pull.
 
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I'm buying a used ms251 from @Davefr and am contemplating a battery saw in addition, but based on what I have seen regarding some of the ego saws, I'm not loving the idea of depending on it. May buy a 20v Dewalt 12" as a pruning/backup saw as I have a good number of Dewalt batteries and the bare saw can be had for about 150. I do things now with a sawzall that would be easier with a small cordless chainsaw, so that would get a little runtime

For the gas saw, I'll have a spare bar and chain and will probably grab a spare carb to have on the shelf. If there are any other spares worth having (oil pump, fuel lines?), I'm open to suggestions.
Mike,
Definitely get a spare chain in case you damage one while cutting. I'd only get a spare bar if you want the option of a different size with matching chain. A spare OEM carb can be spendy and an aftermarket Chinese carb may be iffy. I'd skip those for now. For low usage I'd use Stihl Motomix. Run the saw dry prior to long term storage. Keep the saw stored in a cool dry indoor location. I don't see a need for any other spare parts. I'd test out the saw at least once a year unless your using it more frequently just so you can address any issues before you have a critical need to use it.
 
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Definitely get a spare chain in case you damage one while cutting. I'd only get a spare bar if you want the option of a different size with matching chain. A spare OEM carb can be spendy and an aftermarket Chinese carb may be iffy. I'd skip those for now. For low usage I'd use Stihl Motomix. Run the saw dry prior to long term storage. Keep the saw stored in a cool dry indoor location. I don't see a need for any other spare parts. I'd test out the saw at least once a year unless your using it more frequently just so you can address any issues before you have a critical need to use it.
Got it, thanks.
 
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I'm buying a used ms251 from @Davefr and am contemplating a battery saw in addition, but based on what I have seen regarding some of the ego saws, I'm not loving the idea of depending on it. May buy a 20v Dewalt 12" as a pruning/backup saw as I have a good number of Dewalt batteries and the bare saw can be had for about 150. I do things now with a sawzall that would be easier with a small cordless chainsaw, so that would get a little runtime

For the gas saw, I'll have a spare bar and chain and will probably grab a spare carb to have on the shelf. If there are any other spares worth having (oil pump, fuel lines?), I'm open to suggestions.
My Ego 18” is 4-5 years old and has been very dependable. If you get one, get one with the metal dogs on front. They are a little heavier built. My Ms250 is a dust collector with the Ego getting the majority of the work and the echo 590 busted out for the big 20” plus trees. I have 6 acres with some fairly large trees that I constantly am taking something down it seems. Some of the live oaks are humungous.
Had a friend that wanted one of my large cherry trees for slabs. He brought over his Dewalt battery (used 2 smaller batteries instead of the one big battery the Ego uses). Not sure what model it was, but it was gutless compared to the zero, and the Ego’s battery held a charge much better. Ego’s 56 volt battery are tops in my opinion.
 

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Stihl saws have a specific start procedure. Set the choke and pull until the saw makes an effort to start. So not pull again until you reset the throttle to mid position. That is what it is for. It should start on the next pull.





This is the only way to start a Stihl. I've owned three Stihl Pro saws and a backpack blower, all of them have started within three or four pulls. The 500i is a little weird because you have to hit the primer bulb 8-10 times whether it's warm or cold.
 
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My Ego 18” is 4-5 years old and has been very dependable. If you get one, get one with the metal dogs on front. They are a little heavier built. My Ms250 is a dust collector with the Ego getting the majority of the work and the echo 590 busted out for the big 20” plus trees. I have 6 acres with some fairly large trees that I constantly am taking something down it seems. Some of the live oaks are humungous.
Had a friend that wanted one of my large cherry trees for slabs. He brought over his Dewalt battery (used 2 smaller batteries instead of the one big battery the Ego uses). Not sure what model it was, but it was gutless compared to the zero, and the Ego’s battery held a charge much better. Ego’s 56 volt battery are tops in my opinion.
Glad it's working great for you

I may end up with one anyway, just a little hesitant.
 

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Stihl saws have a specific start procedure. Set the choke and pull until the saw makes an effort to start. Do not pull again until you reset the throttle to mid position. That is what it is for. It should start on the next pull.
^^Exactly. The MS251 has always popped on the third full choke pull and started on the fourth in the half choke position. You can quickly flip to the normal run position, let it warm up for a minute then go to work.

If the saw was stored dry it may require a few more pulls. One trick I learned from Chickanic is to give it a couple "love pulls". These are slow pulls intended to get some fuel sucked into the carb before you give it regular fast pulls. (Stihl generally doesn't use primer bulbs)
 

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Stihl saws have a specific start procedure. Set the choke and pull until the saw makes an effort to start. Do not pull again until you reset the throttle to mid position. That is what it is for. It should start on the next pull.

That isn't specific to stihl, it's a standard chainsaw (and other 2t OPE starting process.
 

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The HD Makita upgrade was a hot topic over on the Arborist Site a couple of years ago.

Haven’t been over there much recently.

Las I checked there were a few guys promoting the Chinese clones of the Stihl saws.

I haven't really gone over there much since maybe 2015ish when I bought my 6421 and upgraded it with the Dolmar 7900 top end. At the time guys were just starting to play with the MS660 clones for their Alaskan mills, I have heard since then some of the clones are "pretty OK".
 

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Mike,
Definitely get a spare chain in case you damage one while cutting. I'd only get a spare bar if you want the option of a different size with matching chain.
IMO, a second bar is cheap insurance if/when you get your chain pinched and can’t get it out of your cut (and you don’t have a second saw). Remove the saw from the stuck bar and chain, put “extra” bar and chain on and free up your other stuck stuff (hopefully you don’t get silly again).

OR….

You you get silly and mess your bar up. You have no down time to get a new bar.
 
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IMO, a second bar is cheap insurance if/when you get your chain pinched and can’t get it out of your cut (and you don’t have a second saw). Remove the saw from the stuck bar and chain, put “extra” bar and chain on and free up your other stuck stuff (hopefully you don’t get silly again).

OR….

You you get silly and mess your bar up. You have no down time to get a new bar.
I'm likely going to pick up an 18" bar and chain, and use the existing 16" setup as a backup.
 

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I'm buying a used ms251 from @Davefr and am contemplating a battery saw in addition, but based on what I have seen regarding some of the ego saws, I'm not loving the idea of depending on it. May buy a 20v Dewalt 12" as a pruning/backup saw as I have a good number of Dewalt batteries and the bare saw can be had for about 150. I do things now with a sawzall that would be easier with a small cordless chainsaw, so that would get a little runtime

For the gas saw, I'll have a spare bar and chain and will probably grab a spare carb to have on the shelf. If there are any other spares worth having (oil pump, fuel lines?), I'm open to suggestions.
Spare chain, don't need a spare bar if you not using it on a day to day basis. Chain/bar lube (I have two gallons), 2 cycle oil mix (I have 2-6 packs good for 2.5 gallons each), at least a 2.5 gallon gas container, air filters, and a spare bar wrench/tensioner combination.

My original Stihl lasted me 30+ hard years before the engine gave up the ghost. The only reason why I went with the previously mentioned Husqvarna 455 Rancher this time around is because I could get it within 3 days, while the Stihl would have been 7 days. Been chopping away at the trees in and around my property, and helping friends and neighbors were I can with their needs. So far, I'm loving it.

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Spare chain, don't need a spare bar if you not using it on a day to day basis. Chain/bar lube (I have two gallons), 2 cycle oil mix (I have 2-6 packs good for 2.5 gallons each), at least a 2.5 gallon gas container, air filters, and a spare bar wrench/tensioner combination.

My original Stihl lasted me 30+ hard years before the engine gave up the ghost. The only reason why I went with the previously mentioned Husqvarna 455 Rancher this time around is because I could get it within 3 days, while the Stihl would have been 7 days. Been chopping away at the trees in and around my property, and helping friends and neighbors were I can with their needs. So far, I'm loving it.

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I feel like the spare bar is more important in this case. The saw will likely only be used in a situation where downtime to seek a replacement won't work, plus it will be operated by a hack that is probably more likely to get a pinch than normal.

I am fine with spending money on peace of mind stuff, and am fortunate enough that I'm able to. It won't bother me in the slightest to see an unopened bar in my shed in 30 years.

I have two 5 gal cans and a 2.5 that are all filled with stabilized ethanol free fuel. I'll keep an empty 1 gal on hand for mixing as needed. The fuel will get turned over at least annually, so the fancy and wildly expensive canned stuff won't be needed
 
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I feel like the spare bar is more important in this case. The saw will likely only be used in a situation where downtime to seek a replacement won't work, plus it will be operated by a hack that is probably more likely to get a pinch than normal.

I am fine with spending money on peace of mind stuff, and am fortunate enough that I'm able to. It won't bother me in the slightest to see an unopened bar in my shed in 30 years.

I have two 5 gal cans and a 2.5 that are all filled with stabilized ethanol free fuel. I'll keep an empty 1 gal on hand for mixing as needed. The fuel will get turned over at least annually, so the fancy and wildly expensive canned stuff won't be needed
While I have a couple of bars especially for my big saw, I have never needed them to extract a stuck saw.

More important and better tool to not only extract but keep from pinching in the first place is a few poly chainsaw wedges.

 

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I may end up with one anyway, just a little hesitant.
What's making you hesitant about Ego? I'm loving my 16" so far.

It's plenty powerful (so far), even with the little battery. I love not having to worry about gas and carburetors. I'm also on Ego for my OPE platform, so I have batteries and have the quick charger (which came with my mower, but I passed it along with a standard charger when I recently moved to a house with no grass). I currently have a 5.0Ah, 4.0Ah and 2x 2.5Ah batteries (to go along withe a string trimmer, hedge cutter, blower, pole saw and chainsaw), which seems enough to keep working, at least for the intermittent kind of needs I have. Just as pleased with the pole saw also (PS1001).
 
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What's making you hesitant about Ego? I'm loving my 16" so far.

It's plenty powerful (so far), even with the little battery. I love not having to worry about gas and carburetors. I'm also on Ego for my OPE platform, so I have batteries and have the quick charger (which came with my mower, but I passed it along with a standard charger when I recently moved to a house with no grass). I currently have a 5.0Ah, 4.0Ah and 2x 2.5Ah batteries (to go along withe a string trimmer, hedge cutter, blower, pole saw and chainsaw), which seems enough to keep working, at least for the intermittent kind of needs I have. Just as pleased with the pole saw also (PS1001).
Specific to the saw, reports of overheating. plus I don't think it's a long term solution (I don't think any battery platform is).

If I had any regular use, I'd grab it no problem. But it will sit possibly for more than a year at a time.

I have a bunch of ego stuff as well. The backpack blower is the only one that I have had a problem with (needed a new switch and board under warranty), but I hired out my lawn care, so my usage is very light now. If any of it failed, I am not certain I would replace it with ego. The only tool that gets regular use is the handheld blower. The backpack is ok, but it barely has enough power to do any real work and the battery lasts for **** on turbo
 

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Poly wedges are great for felling and bucking, but aren't useful when you start cutting into a twisted mess and a 4" branch suddenly moves. Not enough meat to have a bar and wedge into it but enough to be stuck.

@mike93lx good plan for the spare bar and chain. If you have it an never need it you're miles ahead of being bound up with the vehicles on the wrong side of a downed tree in a storm.
 
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Specific to the saw, reports of overheating. plus I don't think it's a long term solution (I don't think any battery platform is).

If I had any regular use, I'd grab it no problem. But it will sit possibly for more than a year at a time.

I have a bunch of ego stuff as well. The backpack blower is the only one that I have had a problem with (needed a new switch and board under warranty), but I hired out my lawn care, so my usage is very light now
Low use is one of the big reasons I avoided gas - I didn't want them to sit. No gas tool seems to be very good at that. My pressure washer is the last gas-powered tool I have.

I'm kinda paranoid about battery platforms too. After Sears/Craftsman bounced the C3 platform, I decided to never have a "Store Brand" battery ever again. That's kept me from some decent stuff from Hercules, RIGID, etc., but I went with Milwaukee because they've got great longevity with their M12 and M18 lines. Similar for Ego - they're not getting their platform externally, and with the portfolio they've got around their battery (most recently including riding mowers and small motorcycles), I can't see them changing sort of going out of business.
 

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Poly wedges are great for felling and bucking, but aren't useful when you start cutting into a twisted mess and a 4" branch suddenly moves. Not enough meet to have a bar and wedge into it but enough to be stuck.

@mike93lx good plan for the spare bar and chain. If you have it an never need it you're miles ahead of being bound up with the vehicles on the wrong side of a downed tree in a storm.
4" branches are what the original cordless chainsaw is designed for, an axe.
 
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Low use is one of the big reasons I avoided gas - I didn't want them to sit. No gas tool seems to be very good at that. My pressure washer is the last gas-powered tool I have.

I'm kinda paranoid about battery platforms too. After Sears/Craftsman bounced the C3 platform, I decided to never have a "Store Brand" battery ever again. That's kept me from some decent stuff from Hercules, RIGID, etc., but I went with Milwaukee because they've got great longevity with their M12 and M18 lines. Similar for Ego - they're not getting their platform externally, and with the portfolio they've got around their battery (most recently including riding mowers and small motorcycles), I can't see them changing sort of going out of business.
I get it and definitely appreciate the benefits of battery... I spent a lot of money on ego and don't regret it. It just not the best for all applications and people.
 

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I forgot, you're all expert lumberjacks and have never ever pinched a bar.

Carry on.
What has you all **** hurt?

I admitted to extracting saws with poly wedges in post 118?

If you have wedges you need something to drive them with, an axe which can also cut small branches very quickly.

Do you think experts felling timber carry an extra bar all day? They do always have an axe and a wedge or two on their belt.

Maybe its sometimes wise to look at some picture or a youtube video of a pro, or read the instruction manual instead of the most complicated way on the Garagejournal.

Axes and wedges if cared for will last a lifetime of use, and should be used on every job on wether you plan on sticking a saw or not. Its good safe SOP
 
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I get it and definitely appreciate the benefits of battery... I spent a lot of money on ego and don't regret it. It just not the best for all applications and people.
I'm definitely not trying to tell you what your application is - it just sounded similar to mine. I had a Worx corded before, and it was OK as an occasional tool until I got this 'new' house with a bunch of sketchy trees and several downed tress blocking access to the nature park behind us. So I got the Ego 16" which seemed the best combination of capability/power and money. The 18" is supposed the be a hoss, and I tried to talk myself into it, but couldn't justify it. After I finish dealing with that stuff, it will probably go back to rare use. As I said, I got tired of trying to revive gas things that sat for months or longer, and have been converting to Ego for OPE for a couple years.
 

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Axes and wedges if cared for will last a lifetime of use, and should be used on every job on whether you plan on sticking a saw or not. Its good safe SOP
My old Stihl never had the bar changed out, chains, tune up parts, absolutely, but a bar, never, why, same as you, a decent wedge or two was all that was ever required, and was (is) always a stones throw away from whatever I'm cutting. Treat your equipment well, and knowing how to use it is the key here.

Bill S.
 

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I was one of the people complaining. I DID ABUSE THE SAW. I did it in the dirt.

I took it in for a carb problem and they said it was worn out.

BLAME THE MANUFACTURER - NOT ME. Consumer chainsaws are junk. They are riding on the glow from their professional products. As you can tell from some comments cheap stuff is taking away the low end of the market.
No doubt. For some time now the middle-grade stuff that was reasonable on both quality and price has been forced out of the market as people either reach for a lower price or perceived higher quality.

It's getting to where there's only pro stuff or garbage in many instances.
 

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I absolutely agree with having wedges. I had a huge Sitka Spruce tree get blown over and totally blocked my driveway at the beach house. When a tree is laying down it can be tricky to tell what parts are under compression vs tension. If in doubt, wedge the partial cut and it won't close up on you. Ideally, you need the wedges and ax on a belt for instant access. Wedges are plural. You sometimes need to double them up. They can save your life.

Speaking of PPE, get a helmet with integrated hearing protectors and a sawdust screen, cut resistant chaps and steel toe boots.

One of the best tools is a credit card. Know when a job is beyond your capability and hire it out if possible.
 
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I absolutely agree with having wedges. I had a huge Sitka Spruce tree get blown over and totally blocked my driveway at the beach house. When a tree is laying down it can be tricky to tell what parts are under compression vs tension. If in doubt, wedge the partial cut and it won't close up on you. Ideally, you need the wedges and ax on a belt for instant access. Wedges are plural. You sometimes need to double them up. They can save your life.

Speaking of PPE, get a helmet with integrated hearing protectors and a sawdust screen, cut resistant chaps and steel toe boots.

One of the best tools is a credit card. Know when a job is beyond your capability and hire it out if possible.
You guys have been heard loud and clear on wedges... I will buy some.

I have the helmet and chaps already. Multiple pairs of safety toe shoes are in the garage. I need proper gloves as I tend to just use Milwaukee cut level 1 for everything...

I dont choose to cut down trees anymore, unless it's something really small. It all gets hired out. Any tree of a decent size on my property is well within range of doing many, many thousands of dollars in damage to something else. Besides the risk of damage or injury when felling, I have no equipment to aid in handling the material and only have a 5x10 trailer for disposal. My back is worth more than the bill from my landscaper.
 

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My old Stihl never had the bar changed out, chains, tune up parts, absolutely, but a bar, never, why, same as you, a decent wedge or two was all that was ever required, and was (is) always a stones throw away from whatever I'm cutting. Treat your equipment well, and knowing how to use it is the key here.

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This job was money well spent!! A 300' ocean cliff one one side and my home on the other side. He had to take it down one chunk at a time.
 

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mrbill55

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I don't care who you are, that was funny.

Bill S.
 
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