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I did full reviews on 2 battery operated ones.....the Ryobi 40V Brushless & EGO 56V Brushless.

Limitations will be power, runtime, and cut capacity. However, unless you are heating with firewood & have to cut cords of wood each year, they are more than adequate.

I like the NO FUMES aspect, and quick/reliable starting, cross-compatibility with the batteries in other tools, and low operating costs.

They are not competing with high-end Stihl gas powered saws.....but just because your Honda Accord cant beat a Corvette in a race, does not mean it is not a good car.


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Some words of wisdom from an old geezer...

Cordless battery models while nice will not last long and just buying a good one will come close to buying a gas model plus battery replacement will kill you in the long run.

Using a cordless sawzall will get the job done (been there done that) but it gets old fast.

Corded works great but the long cords tend to make an easy job super hard up in a tree; plus it is not very safe.

Gas models work great but never worry about a "NAME BRAND" you find the best dealer that gives the you the best service!

Last keep your eyes open on your local CL for a good working cheaper used saw and buy it asap.

Just my two cents been there and done that.:3gears:
 

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much of this is tl:dr, but I did see some things I am compelled to correct or elaborate.
do NOT buy a Crapsman chainsaw...it's a Poulan with a different color plastic. Same low end homeowner junk you get at walmart or depot for $89. Not worth repairing when the carb gets gunked up.

Important questions for the op are what size stuff are you going to be cutting and how often do you need a chainsaw.
Small stuff would be well served by a small saw - no need for an MS361 if you're dealing with 2-6 inch diameter stuff 1-2 times a year... even up to 10" diameter you only need a 12" bar. We heated with wood for several years when I was a young kid - my ol man cut over 20 cord of tree length with a 12" bar Homelite little red auto XL (still have it, still runs awesome and is my go to saw for 90% of my use)
If you don't need a big saw don't buy one - rent it on the rare chance that you need one. It's cheap to rent.
Do NOT buy a top handle saw unless you're a pro/very experienced using chainsaws, and use them very regularly. They are as described above very dangerous compared to a normal rear handle saw from the short handle span thus minimal leverage available to the operator.

electric saws (good ones - nothing made today would qualify IMHO) are great if you have a cord or are near the house but skip the generator unless you need one for other uses. Stihl makes a great battery saw, ryobi is low end everything, Makita os unsuported near me. I look at it this way - when you want a tool, buy it from a company who knows that tool...I'd never buy a car from Makita or a chainsaw from Toyota. That's not what they do. Also, skip the "nobody" brands. We get people constantly looking for parts for their "worx" battery tools...nothing available in parts or information. Seems like a great idea until it breaks and you can't get parts for it.

I would suggest buying a good saw that fits your actual needs from a reputable dealer. Husky, Jonsered, Poulan Pro, Redmax, (even McCulloch since that's now like Jonsered and is simply rebadged Husky), echo, stihl...buy from a dealer, not a box store and get a tool worthy of the name on the box, then listen to the dealer's advice on use and storage.

89+ octane, don't store gas for long periods of time (30 days max), quality chainsaw oil, and run some ethanol free fuel through it before storage - preferably all the time. fuel and incorrect fuel procedure for storage causes 90% of the problems with any power equipment, not just chainsaws.

FWIW full disclosure : I'm a Stihl Silver Qualified Master Wrench tech and I work on all brands. Soon, hopefully, to be Husqvarna/Jonsered/Redmax certified also.
 
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about a year ago i was thinking about a small saw that wouldnt tear me up.
and would not be a pos after a short time. i got a sthil 192t ive only had it a year and only used it a handful of times.... but so far :rocker:

i got it with a short bar, you can use it one handed and still keep it under control.

sure its not recommended, im just saying its light enough you CAN

and with a short bar, keeping two hands on it is enough to keep it under control its not powerful enough to kick back very hard.

Kickback has little to do with bar length. Not powerful enough.....Gee, it will cut wood so flesh won't be a problem.
 

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I got so frustrated with a poulan POS.

Bought a Husqvarna 450. What a difference!!

Was looking at that or Stihl but chose the Husky.
 

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I will grab a husqvarna over a stihl any day. Stihls get hard to start after a year or two. Poulan ....you mean pulling on it all day? Lol but this is from a guy who used to run a saw for a living.
 

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Hi Joseph,

Curious what saw you run. By my own family's account, my grandfather who was a lumberjack for 52 years swore by his Stihl saws. I have his 090 that still runs like a champ to this day and it's probably older than i am.

His experience with Stihl and many other brands is what prompted my aunt and uncle to own thier Stihl dealership.

Which brings me back to my original question; having never used a Husky saw myself, I'm curious to know which model you run.
 
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Stock vs. Stock Husqvarna's usually have the upper hand in performance, and Stihl's are generally regarded as more reliable. A 390xp will flat out cut circles around an MS660. The jury's still out on the new MS661 though. I have both a Jonsered 2252 (Husky 545) and a Stihl 066. The Jonsered is a screamer, and the Stihl always starts even though it's 20+ years old, but it's heavy and cumbersome. I think that the Husqvarnas handle a little better, but that's just my preference.

A good 40cc saw like the Echo CS400 will still cut big wood up to 20" if the need be, be reliable, and is light. Echo has the best warranty at 5 years, and Husky will extend it to 4 if you buy some of their Tru-fuel at the time of purchase.

Husky has some inexpensive homeowner models like the 440 and 450 that are pretty good. The plastic Stihl homeowners saws aren't bad either, but they're more expensive, and in that class don't offer any advantages, except easy-start if you have shoulder problems.
 
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Husky has some inexpensive homeowner models like the 440 and 450 that are pretty good. The plastic Stihl homeowners saws aren't bad either
For some people, these are the top tier of what they would be buying. I think that's really the disconnect here, whenever a chainsaw thread comes up there's poulan 38 & 42cc on one side, and MS390 on the other side, and nothing in between at all.

For example, you list the 440 and 450 as the inexpensive saws. For half the price but still more than the poulan 42cc you can get a 240. Not as nice as a 440 but about half the price. I know Echo has a similar one at HD I don't know their saws well though. The Poulan 5020 gets some positive traction here and at the arbor site, and so I bought one and can tell you it's a hell of a saw.

There are good saws for even less expensive than you mention, but the disconnect is some people wouldn't pay as much as your inexpensive (nor do they necessarily have the need for a 440 as their bottom end saw either).

I feel like if you get a Poulan and take care of it you will have a good reliable saw. If you get a Stihl and don't take care of it you will have a **** saw that won't start. The main difference is the Stihl will take longer to become **** than the Poulan if they are treated equally badly.
 

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I will grab a husqvarna over a stihl any day. Stihls get hard to start after a year or two. Poulan ....you mean pulling on it all day? Lol but this is from a guy who used to run a saw for a living.


I say B.S.

If a professional grade Stihl saw becomes hard to start after a year then user maintainence has been deficient.

Chainsaws are among the least forgiving power tools to poor care/neglect. A chainsaw is only as reliable as the care it's been given.

(ex: clean filters, sharp chains that produce chips vs. sawdust, no buildup of **** in the cylinder fins/cooling system, leak free impulse and fuel delivery system, fresh fuel usage, etc, etc, etc.)
 

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I recommend the 40v chainsaw from Oregon, I have the pole saw and the string trimmer and they are fantastic tools with decent longevity
 

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I needed to mention that my Poulan 2000 weighs just a few pounds and is ideal for me.
At age 70 but I also know that it is a very poor design in that the bar is oiled
From crankcase pressure and when the poppet valve goes it's a POS. There are several
Brands of this particular saw (craftsman) is one and I would avoid it altogether
Unless you can be sure of oiling to bar. Throw away design.
If you have a solution besides valve replacement,let me know.
IMHO
 
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i seriously hate reading though posts like this. a guy clearly states he doesnt need or want a professional model - as most people on planet earth have no real need for a chainsaw in their daliy lives, but yet poeple still recomend the same professional models people use to earn a living.. im sorry - but this is dumbest thing ever.. i probably have 5 different model chainsaws at work - gas and electric with a hydraulic one coming soon - and ive gotten by just fine at home with a craftsman, even using it a few years to cut up all my own firewood to use and to sell. no average homeowner has any business buying chainsaws from a dealer like Stihl or Husqvarna, and like i said earlier - the saw is only as good as the chain is sharp. i used a $50 electric Homelite to cut up telephone poles for 2 years - i dont think anyone NEEDS a stihl for home use.

this is like me telling you you NEED to buy a honda lawn mower to cut your own grass.. oh you want to change your own oil?? you should spend $3,000 on snap on tools first..:thumbup:
 
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i seriously hate reading though posts like this. a guy clearly states he doesnt need or want a professional model - as most people on planet earth have no real need for a chainsaw in their daliy lives, but yet poeple still recomend the same professional models people use to earn a living.. im sorry - but this is dumbest thing ever.. i probably have 5 different model chainsaws at work - gas and electric with a hydraulic one coming soon - and ive gotten by just fine at home with a craftsman, even using it a few years to cut up all my own firewood to use and to sell. no average homeowner has any business buying chainsaws from a dealer like Stihl or Husqvarna, and like i said earlier - the saw is only as good as the chain is sharp. i used a $50 electric Homelite to cut up telephone poles for 2 years - i dont think anyone NEEDS a stihl for home use.

this is like me telling you you NEED to buy a honda lawn mower to cut your own grass.. oh you want to change your own oil?? you should spend $3,000 on snap on tools first..:thumbup:

I got a chuckle out of the MS361 recommendation. :lol:
 

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Cheap chainsaws fail, been there done that. I have used tons of older stihil, husky and they dont have issues if cared for. Poulon and the likes, fail, always fail. Homeowner grade saws dont last, made to be used maybe 3-5x and then they fail.
 
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Cheap chainsaws fail, been there done that. I have used tons of older stihil, husky and they dont have issues if cared for. Poulon and the likes, fail, always fail. Homeowner grade saws dont last, made to be used maybe 3-5x and then they fail.

Biggest piece of misinformation posted on this thread..
 

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Cheap chainsaws fail, been there done that. I have used tons of older stihil, husky and they dont have issues if cared for. Poulon and the likes, fail, always fail. Homeowner grade saws dont last, made to be used maybe 3-5x and then they fail.

Don't say that too loud. My poulan/craftsman loaner saw (15 years old) may stop running.

I'm with typhoon on this.
 

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The Poulan Pro electric is remarkable.

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this is the best electric chainsaw ever made. the Milwaukee 6215. period, end of sentence.. sadly its been discontinued for quite some time.. i have one thats been used on and off for the last 15 year doing utliity work, and the ONLY thing that has ever broken was the cord and switch - both at the same time by some ***** i work with that tried to pull the cord out of the saw.. all parts still available online, and the saw can be found used from a range of prices 2nd hand.

the most robust corded electric saw you can buy now is the makita.. it it built like a tank, and even has thermal overload protection. it can be annoying - but it keeps people from abusing the things.. this is the model HD rents out to all the retards that dont know how to use tools - and they survive.. for a little over $200 its hard to beat, esp being able to use it indoors..

i still stand by my opinion that most cheap electric / gas chainsaws are plenty for the average homeowner.. the only model ive owned / used that i would not reccomend is the remington limb & trim (or whatever its called ). this should only be used like the name implies, for pruning trees - but at $70 there are much better options..
 

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FWIW, Stihl has the extended warranty when you buy their oil or canned gas too, as I think does Redmax, and all other Husky brands.
All saws will fail with improper maintenance, the problem with cheap box store saws is the cost for repair versus the value of the saw. It's not feasible (and very shortly will simply not possible) to completely overhaul a saw carb 100%. Carb kit averages $15-$25, then there's the labor (when done right) is 30-40 minutes. Up here shop time is $80-125/hour... not worth spending $60 to rebuild a carb which may still not work correctly when a new carb is $30-90. Definately not worth spending that on an $89 saw.

Now, remember big retailers use the Walmart principle: they go to a manufacturer and say we want a version of your product at this specific price point. Create it, and we'll buy x amount. So to get that deal companies have to design, redesign, engineer down to that price point. The Husky models on the shelf at Depot are not the same quality or construction as the ones at the local hardware store/Husky dealer. Same with Echo (who has taken a beating in their reputation in New England for selling out to big retailers).

There's no need to recommend pro saws to the average person, but there is good reason to suggest not buying any old saw that they happen across in Depot, Sears, or Walmart. Home owner saws are designed for occasional use, not constant use and they fail when they are used up or used in more demanding cases then designed.

Additionally - agreed, if a new saw is hard to start after 2 years there's something wrong with either the saw or maintenance. I suspect storage/maintenance since that's where not only the majority of people get it wrong, but the variables (like gas quality) start to become out of our hands.
 
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For the weekender, any of the big box store brands will do...but, will soon be a pain in the a** to start because nobody stores them properly when unused for long periods of time.

For pruning small limbs once or twice a year, a corded electric will work.

For any real work, Stihl is the only remaining brand available in the USA that is any good. Even the professional arborists use Stihl today.

Years ago, we could buy real saws made in Sweden that were designed to run all day everyday for many years. Not any more.

Even before that, saws made in the USA were great saws. We all know how that went...
 

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For the weekender, any of the big box store brands will do...but, will soon be a pain in the a** to start because nobody stores them properly when unused for long periods of time.

For pruning small limbs once or twice a year, a corded electric will work.

For any real work, Stihl is the only remaining brand available in the USA that is any good. Even the professional arborists use Stihl today.

Years ago, we could buy real saws made in Sweden that were designed to run all day everyday for many years. Not any more.

Even before that, saws made in the USA were great saws. We all know how that went...

I've got two Husqvarnas, a Jonsered, and a local logging business that disagree. They only run the orange saws.

Not to say Stihl isn't any good, but they are far from the only good saws available.
 

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In 1960 I bought my first pair of hard contact lenses. They were $125,a lot of money
Anyway, I met someone who worked in the lab that made these for the DR.
They turned them out for about $3.00 ea. I went to the Dr. And complained
He told me that much research had been done and that most patients who payed
Less would not put up with the inconvenience / discomfort of having a foreign object(think 2 eyelashes)
In their eye. Sure fail.
If people buy an inexpensive tool they are less likely to go to the trouble to care for it
Properly.
As they will a Stihl or Husky.
An old mechanic told me once" one of hardest things about motorcycles is breaking it in
By the book" who knows better,the designers or you?
Buy the book.
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Biggest piece of misinformation posted on this thread..


So poulon is good? Most all of the cheap saws sold at the home centers and Sears are made by them and I've never seen one last. They always fail and don't always start. 25 year old stihl at my cabin I use maybe 1x a year never has ever had an issue. Starts up within 1-2 pulls. The homeowner saws you might as well as schedule rotator cuff surgery after you pull on one 50x and it don't start.

Been there done that before, NEVER again. I had a poulon someone gave me as a gift. Brand new, stored right and non ethanol gas. Thing still decided one day it just wouldnt start. Took it apart and carb was fine, lines were fine, etc. They dont stand up to any real work. If your gonna buy it to cut up a tree after a storm and maybe use it a few more times then perhaps to some its worth it-Id rather buy once and cry once over the price. I never buy homeowner grade ****, it will just fail on me (and has in the past). The pro grade or at least better stuff holds up and you get your moneys worth.
 
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So poulon is good? Most all of the cheap saws sold at the home centers and Sears are made by them and I've never seen one last. They always fail and don't always start. 25 year old stihl at my cabin I use maybe 1x a year never has ever had an issue. Starts up within 1-2 pulls. The homeowner saws you might as well as schedule rotator cuff surgery after you pull on one 50x and it don't start.

Been there done that before, NEVER again. I had a poulon someone gave me as a gift. Brand new, stored right and non ethanol gas. Thing still decided one day it just wouldnt start. Took it apart and carb was fine, lines were fine, etc. They dont stand up to any real work. If your gonna buy it to cut up a tree after a storm and maybe use it a few more times then perhaps to some its worth it-Id rather buy once and cry once over the price. I never buy homeowner grade ****, it will just fail on me (and has in the past). The pro grade or at least better stuff holds up and you get your moneys worth.

Poulan is now owned by Husqvarna, and the quality has come up a lot. The Poulan 5020 is a pretty good saw, for a great price.

"Homeowner saw" is a bit of a misnomer too. Both Stihl and Husqvarna have saws in the homeowner class. The Stihl MS180/170 has a lot in common with the cheaper made Poulans. Any odd-numbered Stihl (MS250, 290, 310, 170) is considered a homeowner model. Not saying they are bad, because they aren't. But, I digress, this is getting off topic and I think the OP stopped reading about two pages ago.
 

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So poulon is good? Most all of the cheap saws sold at the home centers and Sears are made by them and I've never seen one last. They always fail and don't always start. 25 year old stihl at my cabin I use maybe 1x a year never has ever had an issue. Starts up within 1-2 pulls. The homeowner saws you might as well as schedule rotator cuff surgery after you pull on one 50x and it don't start.

Been there done that before, NEVER again. I had a poulon someone gave me as a gift. Brand new, stored right and non ethanol gas. Thing still decided one day it just wouldnt start. Took it apart and carb was fine, lines were fine, etc. They dont stand up to any real work. If your gonna buy it to cut up a tree after a storm and maybe use it a few more times then perhaps to some its worth it-Id rather buy once and cry once over the price. I never buy homeowner grade ****, it will just fail on me (and has in the past). The pro grade or at least better stuff holds up and you get your moneys worth.

im not saying you dont have a point, BUT if you go back and READ the points i made - they were revelant to peoples actual needs vs cost.. in case you havent noticed - most of the people living in the developed United States arent living in a cabin up in the woods like you are using to make your case, and YOUR situation is one where most people, myself included, wouldnt recomend a bargin brand. however, the overwhelming vast majority of people dont live like that, and therefore dont need a dealer quality chainsaw sitting in the shed.
that being said - i never recomended the brand you mentioned, i said craftsman. the reason i said craftsman, is because i own one of their saws, and have had a few of their snowblowers / lawnmowers and have never a problem with them. my current lawnmower has sat outside uncovered for the last year in all the weather and it will still start in 2 pulls - unlike anything troy bilt ive owned, and also would never suggest.
 

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im not saying you dont have a point, BUT if you go back and READ the points i made - they were revelant to peoples actual needs vs cost.. in case you havent noticed - most of the people living in the developed United States arent living in a cabin up in the woods like you are using to make your case, and YOUR situation is one where most people, myself included, wouldnt recomend a bargin brand. however, the overwhelming vast majority of people dont live like that, and therefore dont need a dealer quality chainsaw sitting in the shed.
that being said - i never recomended the brand you mentioned, i said craftsman. the reason i said craftsman, is because i own one of their saws, and have had a few of their snowblowers / lawnmowers and have never a problem with them. my current lawnmower has sat outside uncovered for the last year in all the weather and it will still start in 2 pulls - unlike anything troy bilt ive owned, and also would never suggest.
All I read in your post is blah blah its fine for home owners. Maybe they are, but they fail with a known certainty. Stop perpetuating the fact they are so good, if they were even homeowners wouldnt shell out for stihl or the likes. The fact you tell me you left a lawn mower in the rain to rot tells me you dont care for your stuff properly anyways.

Why buy something 2-3x over cause it fails and is deemed to costly to bother fixing when a replacement is usually cheap? lawn equipment shops wont even bother with brands like poulon b/c they know its pointless. Bargain brands dont last, they fail and parts are expnesive and so is repair. They are so cheap why bother.

Bottom line is-if you like bargain junk then go buy it. Me, I want my stuff to be well built, serviceable and last. If that seems lost to some people then so be it. Id rather buy once and cry over the pricing begin expensive than buy it again cause it broke.
 

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All I read in your post is blah blah its fine for home owners. Maybe they are, but they fail with a known certainty. Stop perpetuating the fact they are so good, if they were even homeowners wouldnt shell out for stihl or the likes. The fact you tell me you left a lawn mower in the rain to rot tells me you dont care for your stuff properly anyways.

Why buy something 2-3x over cause it fails and is deemed to costly to bother fixing when a replacement is usually cheap? lawn equipment shops wont even bother with brands like poulon b/c they know its pointless. Bargain brands dont last, they fail and parts are expnesive and so is repair. They are so cheap why bother.

Bottom line is-if you like bargain junk then go buy it. Me, I want my stuff to be well built, serviceable and last. If that seems lost to some people then so be it. Id rather buy once and cry over the pricing begin expensive than buy it again cause it broke.

first of all - my $250 lawn mower was outside last year cause my $10,000 motorcycle is apart and that takes priority in the limited space i have. my tracked snowblower was moved to the basement cause it easily climbs the stairs out, and if i need to buy a new lawnmower - so be it, cause if it keeps the $1000 worth of fairings for my bike in good shape it was still worth it. i wont need to, cause it starts everytime it needs to, and i can change and maintain the same things on it that you can will a $700 honda.

- I know this is a waste of time for someone like you - but lets put it this way.. a chainsaw is a small engine with a handle that turns a chain.. not some highly advanced tool here, and just to point out - a professional model ANYTHING with an engine can be negleted just like a "bargin brand". the gas and oil doesnt know the difference if you leave it sitting in the saw for 3 years w/o being used. there are so many points in your own argument that i can eailsy throw back at you to prove my own point.

first off parts for the cheap saw are just that CHEAP - which is why the saw is to begin with.. replacement parts are easily available online, and carbs kits are $12, new carbs are usually under $40.. i can do the same exact maintenence on my craftsman saw that you can on a pro model.. plug, air filter, fuel filter, fuel lines, carb kits, adjustments on the carb, sharpen / replace the chain - how EXACTLY is that NOT servicable?? explain and elaborate on that one in detail please..

not sure where you live - but the labor rate for lawnmower shops here are $95 an hour, the same as a diesel tech.. so yes - if my $180 craftsman cant be fixed with a $12 rebuild kit, or a $40 carb - then it would go on craiglist and be sold as repairable, and ill guess then id have to remortgage my home to afford a brand new chainsaw i dunno - 10 years after i bought the original? the horror.. also why they dont make it to repair shops - cause its kinda hard to explain to a customer that you now owe him $50 in parts, and $95 in labor for a saw that you paid $160 - $180 new 10 years ago, and any simple minded person would realize they would rather spend that money on a new model, with more power and more features cause thats now become the "norm" in that price point.

so anyway - unless your driving a 30 year old ford truck as your only daily driver - please dont lecture anyone on how its a waste of money to buy something 2x - 3x over, which is what most of the world considers "upgrading". also - just because someone else makes a more expensive model that can withstand more abuse - doesnt make the lesser model not "good enough" for its expected use.. you sound like a guy that bought a H1 Hummer telling the guy with an F250 that his truck is junk cause it cant climb walls..

during Sandy - cant tell you how many people i encountered in expensive neighborhoods that had whole a house back-up genertor system they paid $5-15k for a few years ago - that failed the first time they needed to run for more than a few hours. now out of warranty - and having to wait for a repair service and parts to come out a weeks from now - they had a week or 2 w/o power and another $1200 repair bill to look forward to after their power would be restored.. in the meantime - they had a brand new $400 - $700 HD or HF generator powering their home for the 2 weeks they waited, WHILE THEY NEEDED IT.

sometimes more expensive items just means more expensive repairs. anything can fail - and being a homeower, instead of spending $3000 on a new "professional" model snowblower - id rather take that money - and buy a snowblower, lawnmower, pressure washer, weed wacker, chainsaw, blower - and do the work and maintenece on the property myself instead of hiring people to do it.. everthing has its place, and im not about to tell a guy its a wise investment to buy a pro model saw when he might only use it twice in the next 10 years.
 

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Poulan is now owned by Husqvarna, and the quality has come up a lot. The Poulan 5020 is a pretty good saw, for a great price.

"Homeowner saw" is a bit of a misnomer too. Both Stihl and Husqvarna have saws in the homeowner class. The Stihl MS180/170 has a lot in common with the cheaper made Poulans. Any odd-numbered Stihl (MS250, 290, 310, 170) is considered a homeowner model. Not saying they are bad, because they aren't. But, I digress, this is getting off topic and I think the OP stopped reading about two pages ago.
Odd numbered system is no longer true with Stihl. Neither is the old adage about black handle vs white handle. MS250 is a homeowner class saw, but so is it's replacement - the MS251.
The only way to know what Stihl saws are intended for homeowner use is to look it up or read the shelf tag.
While Stihl and Husky have homeowner class saws, they are still much better quality than the Poulan/Craftsman/Homelite/Echo you get in a big box store. For that higher quality you pay higher prices. Low cost saws are low cost because they cost less to manufacture - see my previous post about price point- but repair parts are not necessarily cheaper. I do see Walbro rebuild kits for $12 on fleebay, but never from any legit wholesaler/distributor for that little...so how are these ebay sellers getting them and how could they be making any money selling them? Same with the replacement carbs...I can't order direct from Walbro for the prices some ebay sellers sell them for.
 

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Odd numbered system is no longer true with Stihl. Neither is the old adage about black handle vs white handle. MS250 is a homeowner class saw, but so is it's replacement - the MS251.
The only way to know what Stihl saws are intended for homeowner use is to look it up or read the shelf tag.
While Stihl and Husky have homeowner class saws, they are still much better quality than the Poulan/Craftsman/Homelite/Echo you get in a big box store. For that higher quality you pay higher prices. Low cost saws are low cost because they cost less to manufacture - see my previous post about price point- but repair parts are not necessarily cheaper. I do see Walbro rebuild kits for $12 on fleebay, but never from any legit wholesaler/distributor for that little...so how are these ebay sellers getting them and how could they be making any money selling them? Same with the replacement carbs...I can't order direct from Walbro for the prices some ebay sellers sell them for.

i recently repaired a 10 yr old craftsman left blower with a $12 rebuild kit.. since is was such a cheap repair, i changed the fuel lines, plug and fliter since it was apart.. honestly, i dont know what else someone could ask for maintaining an everage home in a popluted area. i dont "want" a 25 year old leafblower or chainsaw. so im perfectly fine with having one for 10 years, investing $40 and an hour of my time to fix it once, and then buy a new one 5 years after that if it dies again - or i just decide i WANT one, cause im not running a small engine museum out of my house..

im curious if someone lived in an area that recieved little to no snow every winter - if you guys would recomend that he get a professinal model Honda snowblower to clean his driveway and 30' of sidewalk on the premis that "it wont see much use so this way you will know it will start when you need it" the same way you tell the guy that gets an average of 8' of snowfall every year that "it will see heavy use so you want something that will last"
why should the guy that will hardly ever use the item buy the same tool as the guy that truely needs one to withstand the heavy use it was made for. why wouldnt the first guy be better off with the $100 electric power shovel to clean the 2" of snow he got once every 5 years instead of a $2000 machine that just risks becoming wated money if happen to not want to start to one day a year he needed it??

the worst part of this site - is that half the people giving advice like this, don't even follow the same advice they give to other people..
 

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For occasional homeowner use, a corded electric is the way to go if AC power is available within 150 feet.

No fuel/oil to mix. No gas to go bad. No carb to gunk up. No worries about it not starting next spring. No pulling cord and hurting back. No cussing at it because it won't start.

Touch up the chain (if needed), fill up the bar oil, plug it in, and get to work!

Put it away for a year, pull it out again, and do the same.

I have a Stihl 011 and 024 that were my grandfather's. I don't use them enough to justify keeping them but darn are they nice when I do use them. Still, spent almost $350 a few years back having a saw shop go through them. Could have bought 2-3 brand-new electrics for that! Have to dump the fuel out when not using for some time.

Any box store chainsaw will perform OK if taken care of and used lightly. You can also get refurbished ones for 50% off list - I have been tempted, to get an essentially new saw for $50 -shoot, that's disposable! If it lasts a season, you have gotten your money's worth. Buy 2-3, use one up and throw away every year.

Tip: use alcohol-free gas! Go to www.pure-gas.org and find a station that sells it year you. You can leave this gas in a machine for months and it won't go bad. I use it only now in all of my outdoor equipment. It makes a huge difference in the carbs not getting corroded and the rubber parts not hardening up.
 
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i recently repaired a 10 yr old craftsman left blower with a $12 rebuild kit.. since is was such a cheap repair, i changed the fuel lines, plug and fliter since it was apart.. honestly, i dont know what else someone could ask for maintaining an everage home in a popluted area. i dont "want" a 25 year old leafblower or chainsaw. so im perfectly fine with having one for 10 years, investing $40 and an hour of my time to fix it once, and then buy a new one 5 years after that if it dies again - or i just decide i WANT one, cause im not running a small engine museum out of my house..

im curious if someone lived in an area that recieved little to no snow every winter - if you guys would recomend that he get a professinal model Honda snowblower to clean his driveway and 30' of sidewalk on the premis that "it wont see much use so this way you will know it will start when you need it" the same way you tell the guy that gets an average of 8' of snowfall every year that "it will see heavy use so you want something that will last"
why should the guy that will hardly ever use the item buy the same tool as the guy that truely needs one to withstand the heavy use it was made for. why wouldnt the first guy be better off with the $100 electric power shovel to clean the 2" of snow he got once every 5 years instead of a $2000 machine that just risks becoming wated money if happen to not want to start to one day a year he needed it??

the worst part of this site - is that half the people giving advice like this, don't even follow the same advice they give to other people..

I recently threw mine over the bank and bought a Husqvarna. True story, I didn't go look for it either....POS! . My Wife bought it for me for a gift a few years ago, and NO, she doesn't know where it is. She just knows it wouldn't run any more. I have NEVER had ANY Craftsman gas powered tool that was any good at all. Since owning a home in 1987, every one of them has been a joke by my standards. Same thing for the Poulan Wild Thing chain saw I bought. I didn't throw it over the bank, I let my Son use it when he goes camping. Everyone has different experiences,that's been mine.
I have nothing but good to say about both the McCulloch chain saws I have owned, and I use them, I own land, I have trees.
 

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$1000 chain saw used twice a year for twenty minutes for the next ten years is how much an hour for use? $100 chain saw with the same use is how much a usage.

You high dollar or nothing guys often **** right in your hat. You also justify to a homeowner. Not pro's, not heavy users, homeowner that will barely touch that saw.
I'll say average homeowner doesn't run one for ten hours in ten years.

You're going to look pretty limited in thought process when you question my easy math numbers. Insert 249.47 if that's what it takes to awaken you.

Yeah, serious overkill is what many go for. More money than common sense, I guess. I can't figure it out.
 

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Yeah, serious overkill is what many go for. More money than common sense, I guess. I can't figure it out.

Overkill is underrated.

My opinion is, buy a Stihl gas saw one size bigger than what you think you need, and enjoy decades of service. Some people swear by the Huskys or their various rebadges, but I have personally seen issues with these within the first year. I bought my Stihl MS390 when I was 19 and I'll be 30 in just over a month. It's cut everything from big oak timber for our sawmill to cedars for fence posts to firewood and the only service ever needed was replacing a gas line that had dry rotted some years ago. Obviously, for yard work I am not recommending a saw that size (I think the 391 replaced it), only telling you that they are quality saws. There are many much older than mine still in service.

I would look into the MS193 or 201 if I were you, they are light and should do what you need to do.
 

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$1000 chain saw used twice a year for twenty minutes for the next ten years is how much an hour for use? $100 chain saw with the same use is how much a usage.

You high dollar or nothing guys often **** right in your hat. You also justify to a homeowner. Not pro's, not heavy users, homeowner that will barely touch that saw.
I'll say average homeowner doesn't run one for ten hours in ten years.

You're going to look pretty limited in thought process when you question my easy math numbers. Insert 249.47 if that's what it takes to awaken you.


Someone that only uses a chain saw ten hours in ten years don't need no stinking chainsaw. They would be better served to just get someone else to come by with their 20 or 25 year old Stihl chainsaw when they need something cut.

To me buying a tool is like picking a wife. Don't be fooled by the cheap flashy models of either or you are destined to be very disappointed in the long run. Weather you only cut up small limbs every now and again or cut logs for a living when you need it you need it to run and cut.

I've bought two stihl chain saws in my life,........... still have one of them as I traded in the larger 051 on the 044 I still have now. In the time before I bought my first Stihl and up until I finally got smart enough to know there is a difference.

I also owned 2 craftmans which were the biggest piles of **** I ever owned. The only reason I got the second one was because the first one was so much a problem that they finally took it back and sold me a newer larger model at a discount. That one wasn't much better and after messing with it more than cutting with it I finally threw it in the trash.

I had several McCulloch's. You needed 2 or 3 of them if you wanted to get any work done because on any given day only one out of the three was going to start.

Poulan saws were the reason I bought my first Stihl. When I finally gave up on those McCullocks I went in to the place I was buying from at the time and traded in all three of the yellow saws for a poulan 245 I think it was and the guy spoke so highly of that saw I ended up buying a second one at a real good discount. Good thing to because one or the other was in the shop all the time and if I ever wanted to get any work done I bought another one that was supposed to be their professional model and although it did start and run the oiling system never worked like it should and chains and bars were always wearing out. The sad part was it didn't have a manual oiler so you could pump a little extra on the chain every now and then to keep the chain from jumping off the bar.

I had a couple Homelite saws I bought off a guy that was going out of business and they were pretty good saws. They had both manual and a automatic oiling systems and would start most of the time but were slow cutting even with brand new bar and chains on them.

After I got fed up with that poulan **** I went buy another saw place and this guy had several different brands for sale and he had just took on Stihl saws and I left there with a brand new 051. I wanted to try a bow saw so the guy told me if I would try and help him sell a few saws that he would throw in a new bow and chain setup. I told him well hell yeah I would but if this thing turned out like the other **** I had been buying he would have to agree to take the saw back and give me my money back which he also agreed to.

I went back that afternoon to pick up the saw and I bought a couple extra chains for the bow and the bar setup, some bar oil and also some stihl engine oil and a box of saw files. He put the saw in the back of my truck and I left headed for the log pile.

I had a job that was clearing about 5 ac of pine trees that were too small for logs so I called a buddy of mine that was in the pulp wood hauling business and worked out a deal with him to take the wood to the wood yard. I had knocked down about an ac of trees and had them laying on the ground ready to be cut up and hauled off.

When I got there Herman had 3 guys cutting wood up in lengths with those great big ol pouland gear drive saws the pulp wood guys all used. As I pulled up Herman came over to the truck to see what I had bought back this time and as he looked in the back of the truck he said, Yuck!! you bought one of those pumpkin saws and laughed. The laughing didn't last long after I dragged that pumpkin out of the truck and with one pull it came to life and soon after I hit the log pile all three of the guys that were cutting were standing there looking in disbelief. That saw was throwing chips 20' in the air and zipping through that pine like it was hot butter.

I was in saw heaven cause as soon as that saw started up I knew I had a real saw in my hands and after only about 30 minutes of cutting I had cut more wood with this saw than I had cut with all that other bunch of junk the whole time I had them. It finally ran out of gas and as I was walking back to the truck for a fill up and service no body said a word. Finally Herman said, well I guess this means you won't be getting on of those new pouland gear drive saws after all. I just had this big smile on my face and said, NO, probably not.

After 15 years of sawing wood pretty much every day I decided to trade it in for something a little lighter and got almost as much as I paid for it on a trade for this newer 044. The only thing I ever had to fix on either of those two saws was a bar and a handle I had to replace on the 051 when I accidentialy ran over it with a crawler loader one time when a helper left it laying next to a pile of brush he was working around.

An electric saw would maybe be perfect for the op depending on what he trying to do and how often. The only thing you have to worry about is getting power to where you are cutting and or maybe tripping over the cord or cutting it in half and getting electrocuted but other than that, what's the worst that can happen?:)
 
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