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Channellock Torture Test: GL10 VS GRADE 8 BOLT

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What wrench is notorious for rounding fasteners? Also, use the box end, it is designed for breaking fasteners free.

I have never (nor seen anyone) round a nut or bolt off with a wrench, and then use channellock to take fastener out.....I'ved used vise-grips, for rusted fasteners, not channellocks.
Channellocks work better than vise grips. They are self locking and their teeth won't wear nearly as fast. You can use offshore stuff if you want to, but I do these tests for a reason. If anybody can school me on how to upload a video on here I'll show the actual process of a wrench, and vise grips both slipping off the fastener. The vise grips were Petersen 7" locking wrenches, not pliers. A box end will last longer than the open end jaws, but the box end will round those corners. Why do you think mfg s adopted the flank drive technology. And for oe not slipping, the flank drive plus.
And afterthought, what is the difference between vise grips and channellocks? And before you say vise grips are locking pliers, so are the channellocks
 
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You just ruined a pair of Channellocks in your "test", so why would I try the same?

If Vise-Grips won't do it, it's time for a hacksaw, or the hot wrench.
Haha good point. But really put it like this. Channellocks will remove a stuck fastener better than a pair of vg. I have plenty of both and tried them. But do what you want.
 

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Its time to buy a blowtorch?
 

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Thank you for posting your test, FANATIK. I'm not going to take sides in the "Best method for removing a stuck fastener" debate. However, I was curious to see the results, the after photos of the teeth, especially. I can't carry a complete set of appropriate tools and wrenches in my firefighting bunker coat pocket. But one of the tools that I do carry is a pair of Channellocks which do, routinely, get abused in a wide variety of uses. It can't be avoided. I carry Channellock brand because of the way they hold up. This was just confirmation, I guess. Thanks again.
 

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It's important to note that when most of us mention "Channellocks" we're probably talking about the ones on the far left and most can agree, they're not the best thing for siezed nuts and bolts.

The ones in the middle are the style the OP was testing and are an excellent choice for siezed or rounded bolts and nuts or fittings, as are the ones on the far right. All are Channellocks but not what we usually think of when someone says Channellock.
 

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It's important to note that when most of us mention "Channellocks" we're probably talking about the ones on the far left and most can agree, they're not the best thing for siezed nuts and bolts.

The ones in the middle are the style the OP was testing and are an excellent choice for siezed or rounded bolts and nuts or fittings, as are the ones on the far right. All are Channellocks but not what we usually think of when someone says Channellock.
Thanks for the added clarity.
And I actually tested all three...The gl did the best.
 
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Thank you for posting your test, FANATIK. I'm not going to take sides in the "Best method for removing a stuck fastener" debate. However, I was curious to see the results, the after photos of the teeth, especially. I can't carry a complete set of appropriate tools and wrenches in my firefighting bunker coat pocket. But one of the tools that I do carry is a pair of Channellocks which do, routinely, get abused in a wide variety of uses. It can't be avoided. I carry Channellock brand because of the way they hold up. This was just confirmation, I guess. Thanks again.
No problem I'm glad you enjoyed it.
 
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Thanks for the added clarity.
And I actually tested all three...The gl did the best.

I thought some clarity would help. People keep mentioning "Channellocks" and "water pump" pliers aren't for stuck or rounded bolts and nuts but that's not the subject of discussion here.

I use GL series Channellock right along side Knipex Cobras and they each have their place. Hell, mostly I just like tools......which is handy because I use them daily as a Mechanic! ;)

Some Knipex **** just because.....:lol:
 

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Haha good point. But really put it like this. Channellocks will remove a stuck fastener better than a pair of vg. I have plenty of both and tried them. But do what you want.

Try getting 2000 psi of pressure squeezing your channellock, water pump pliers or slip joint pliers. You can't do it with just your hand. Now read the squeezing pressure these guys got with vise grips: http://blogs.toolbarn.com/2006/10/vise-grips-making-improvements-to-a-classic/ Why, because of tool design. More pressure applied to a fastener means less chance of tool slippage.
 

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Try getting 2000 psi of pressure squeezing your channellock, water pump pliers or slip joint pliers. You can't do it with just your hand. Now read the squeezing pressure these guys got with vise grips: http://blogs.toolbarn.com/2006/10/vise-grips-making-improvements-to-a-classic/ Why, because of tool design. More pressure applied to a fastener means less chance of tool slippage.

Vise grips are handy. I like to keep a straight jaw pair within reach. They're kinda like calling in a napalm air strike in on hill 51. They'll get you out of a jam on hill 51...............but there won't be much left of hill 51...:lol:
 

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Vise grips are handy. I like to keep a straight jaw pair within reach. They're kinda like calling in a napalm air strike in on hill 51. They'll get you out of a jam on hill 51...............but there won't be much left of hill 51...:lol:

True, but "hill 51" may be lost anyway. Like the manifold stud nut I was trying to remove with an impact wrench and 6 point socket. Rounded the thing off in a blink.

Brought out the vice grips and cheater pipe. Backed out the entire thing and off to the vice. Kroil did the trick and should have been used in the first place. New nut made a "hill 52" solution.

I am trying to figure out a reason for using Channellocks in this manner. If there is clearance, a 6 point socket on a pull handle would be a better solution. Low clearance would require a 6 point box end wrench. Both with cheaters would move just about anything, or twist it off.

 
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Thanks for doing this test, but I am honestly not too surprised at the result. I own and like much of the Channellock product line, but I happen to think Channellock v-jaw pliers are much better pliers for the same price.

The Griplock pliers have a very small arc engagement area compared to a regular pair of Channellocks, so any force on the hinge channel is going to be much more concentrated. The Channellock nutbuster pliers (which are really the correct plier for this brute force style task) have two separate and complete channels engaged at all times to keep the joint strong and stable which is a huge difference. What did surprise me a little bit is that the jaw teeth seem to be in better condition than I expected after tackling a grade 8 bolt. I expected them to be chewed up a bit more, but maybe that is just the slight blurriness of the pictures hiding the damage.

To all the Knipex fanboys. I own and use a lot of their products also and they have their pluses and minuses too, but you have to compare apples to apples here. The Griplocks are US made and they can be found very easily and locally for around $10 or in 2 packs with a larger 12" size for around $24. The only real competition for Griplock pliers at their price point is China made. They are good pliers for $10, but in my opinion the $12-14 Channellock v-jaws are much better bang for the buck. Knipex or NWS are better pliers in many ways, but they should be since they cost almost 3x as much. I personally only use my German push button style pliers in the garage, because they stick, grind, and jam too easily when working outside in dirt and mud. Channellocks can go anywhere with little or no fuss, and that's why I usually grab them first even though I have other options.


Very well said. Can't beat Channellock for the price and quality. :beer:
 

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Try getting 2000 psi of pressure squeezing your channellock, water pump pliers or slip joint pliers. You can't do it with just your hand. Now read the squeezing pressure these guys got with vise grips: http://blogs.toolbarn.com/2006/10/vise-grips-making-improvements-to-a-classic/ Why, because of tool design. More pressure applied to a fastener means less chance of tool slippage.

The average 30 year old man can apply 2,000 pounds of squeezing force with a Knipex Pliers-Wrench, if he uses both hands. Not sure about the Cobras.
 
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:lol: I hear you Vantastic, but I have a little cautionary tale for you. It contains within it a valuable lesson.

You are nervously needing to turn a rusty fastener in a cold, dark, damp and musty corner of a dilapidated house filled with nothing but dirty hypodermic needles and used condoms. You shiver with fear at the task before you because there is a fierce hulk of a man behind you with a cold gun firmly resting against the back of your head. He is gruffly telling you that the completion of this task will determine how many unused bullets remain in his gun at the end of this night.

COO of the gun???
 
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