isb cornbinder
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Cheap Chinese excavators
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That is assuming that the machine breaks after first use ? And might as well hire out right pay someone to dig. The guy ought charge you only $3000 and you save $3000
Firebrick43
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No, that doesn’t assume the machine breaks after the first use.
I assumed it would last for many jobs, hence why I stated
“It’s going to take a LOT of projects to make $6000 pencil out”.
The excavation portion of small projects don’t cost 6k.
Sometimes it’s convenience for slow people like me. But don’t do constructions jobs for a living, and can’t afford some one to dig for me at a hefty price of labor $$$$…let’s just ageee on not for every one. If you are doing it for a living probably not so much for you.
Firebrick43
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I was making no comment to the convenience of owning it. None.
I understand about the hefty price of labor, which is why in my example I was comparing it to a job that I saved $3600 buy renting an 8000lbs mini excavator for $800 total. The quoted price of excavation only was $4400 if I had it done.
I was not commenting on using it for a living either?
I was only commenting on the probability that the price of the machine ($6000) was highly unlikely to pay for itself with “one small job”
Nothing else should have been read into that.
finn
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finn
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Lots of YouTube videos on these things. I haven’t run into one that regretted buying one yet, and lots of people like them.
isb cornbinder
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You did the very best that your were able. JD is an American company, I have to think JD is making a profit and that is important.
alfadan
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I just bought an AGT 18q something-or-other. $4900 with 1 hour on it. Has a cab and an odd little airconditioner hanging on the side.
I've already dug two old pine tree stumps and some concrete remnants out. It's a hoot!
I've already dug two old pine tree stumps and some concrete remnants out. It's a hoot!
finn
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Deere is an international company. One that has a worldwide manufacturing base and per the latest news releases, is moving additional production to Mexico at the expense of American jobs.
I don’t necessarily buy into the “buy American“. credo anymore.
Buy what’s right for you, including what fits your budget and meets your performance expectations.
For many “casual users”, the little imports have their place, just like tools from Taiwan or China do. I don’t see many giving up their Milwaukee battery tools, or Toyotas.
Jarwop
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Got mini skid loaders and $2600 ?
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Ton ton
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I like the attachment you have in the picture.
I am going to build the same thing......a mower head driven by either the hydraulics,or by a separate IC motor ..........prices for the attachments vary wildly ............for instance ,a drum mulcher can be from $5000 to $25,000 for a good brand machine.........mower heads hydraulically driven about the same .............. a non Chinese auger is $2k-$4k just for the drive ,augers around $400-$800 for small ones ........Ive got plenty of hydraulic drive bits ,but the catch is if your used hydraulics craps out,it fills the oil with metal ...bad news on a hydrostatic machine.............didnt mention ..I have a Hyundai 5 1/2 ton mini .
geoffjm
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There is an active Facebook group for these. Quality control seems varied, especially at the very cheap end.
I have looked at 2T ones locally, and they look ok with lots of attachments and a thumb, and Kubota or yanmar diesel motors. At around 75 % of a name brand machine, I would look at a good second hand Kubota or Hitachi as better long term.
I have looked at 2T ones locally, and they look ok with lots of attachments and a thumb, and Kubota or yanmar diesel motors. At around 75 % of a name brand machine, I would look at a good second hand Kubota or Hitachi as better long term.
I repaired excavators for years ,and the catch with used machines is often expensive fails hidden long enough to sell/trade in the machine......I looked at new Chinese machines before buying used,and a reasonable quality Chinese machine is not that cheap ......in my case a 5 ton Chinese excavator is around A$60k
These little excavators are everywhere now, along with the 13hp mini skid loaders.
They're all clearly made in the same factory, why doesn't the manufacturer throw up an English-language website and start selling parts? Or even partner with someone like Amazon to handle distribution? They would make money hand over fist.
The only thing holding me back is the question of parts availability and the complete lack of documentation for service/repair. Those shouldn't be hard problems to solve for a company with the capability to build and export these things.
They're all clearly made in the same factory, why doesn't the manufacturer throw up an English-language website and start selling parts? Or even partner with someone like Amazon to handle distribution? They would make money hand over fist.
The only thing holding me back is the question of parts availability and the complete lack of documentation for service/repair. Those shouldn't be hard problems to solve for a company with the capability to build and export these things.
Simple really.....selling spare parts is very labor and cost intensive .........forty year ago,the Chinese forklifts hit the market ,around $4 k for a 4 ton fork.........no spares at all.......the few (very few) reputable sellers of these forklifts stripped new stock for spares ........the fly by night -quick profit dealers simply went out of business with yards full of returned warranty breakdowns.
Funniest incident of the Chinese forklift story was a big telco bought 1200 of these machines ,and a mechanic there told me they would all break down on the same day with the same fault...........hydraulic seals fail at 700 hrs.........hoses all bust on the same day..
alfadan
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Guys at work have been saying they could use one for foundation work and other stuff. I think they could buy one for 4 grand, use it at their leisure, and sell it and make most of their money back. Beats a daily rental fee I'd think.
PugetDude
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Handled properly, spare parts sales can be very lucrative. (Speaking as someone who spent 38 years in the industrial machinery business. )
Sure 40 years ago was a different story. I just don't understand why they're leaving money on the table. All of these Alibaba sellers have people who speak English. It shouldn't be that hard to make parts available to the western markets
Firebrick43
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They are not all made in the same factory. While it looks like all the manufactures are using the same basic boom cut files the rest of the machine and even how the boom is assembled is very different.
Some dealers such as kymco and Groundhog is selling parts. They are not the same parts however and don't always fit the AGT and other brands due to differences.