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User error, user gets hurt.

User blames tool.

Sorry, based on what's been provided that seems clear. New wheels are not going to fix safety lapses and poor technique. If that offends you, fine. Hopefully it keeps you (or someone else) from getting hurt again.
 
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Can prevent other injuries, but I suppose we can wait until they happen to address that.


A handle makes a big difference in the amount of control you have over the grinder. You have ahold of it on 2 different axes, whereas holding just the body, even with both hands still allows the grinder to rotate even if you think it isn't happening. So, when a disc does grab, even a little it twists the body in your hands because the disc is off to one side. Then it binds and you get kickback. You said earlier your technique is good. No it's not.
No guard, I like to see what I am doing to help prevent kickback which is obviously my main concern. Try and compensate with good safety gear, premium goggles, premium full face shield, leather apron. But there are other concerns I wasn’t aware of that have been pointed out. A ribbon of metal coming off of the wheel.
With a light weight 4 1/2” grinder, I feel I have better control and feel with both hands on the grinder when cutting, it is more precise. Grinding, that is a different story. I repeat, same cut, same material, material fixed the same way, same technique made sevetal times with a Warrior disc. Last Warrior disc wore down so went to two brand new Black & Decker discs which both kicked back violently when touching the top of the vertical leg causing two leg grabs. POed, blood dripping down leg, changed over to the worn Warrior disc and finished the exact same cut using the exact same technique…I could be wrong.

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But the rotation of the disc was throwing sparks away from the body which meant when the grinder kicked back it came at the body instead of away from the body.

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That is the issue right there. I avoid cutting like that if at all possible. If the grinder grabs, it's coming towards you, = bad

Once in a while there is a weird spot that forces you to cut that way. If I have to cut that way I know I need to be super mindful and careful about what I'm doing.
 
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User error, user gets hurt.

User blames tool.

Sorry, based on what's been provided that seems clear. New wheels are not going to fix safety lapses and poor technique. If that offends you, fine. Hopefully it keeps you (or someone else) from getting hurt again.
You can not get over the hurdle that all conditions are the same and multiple cuts are made using Warrior discs including finishing the cut where the kickbacks occurred with a worn Warrior disc, no kickbacks. Two brand new Black & Decker discs, exact same conditions, kick back violently when touching the top of the vertical leg. Give me a logical explanation of this.

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With a light weight 4 1/2” grinder, I feel I have better control and feel with both hands on the grinder when cutting, it is more precise.
How did that work out for you?

Grinding, that is a different story. I repeat, same cut, same material, material fixed the same way, same technique made sevetal times with a Warrior disc. Last Warrior disc wore down so went to two brand new Black & Decker discs which both kicked back violently when touching the top of the vertical leg causing two leg grabs.
There are things called Best practices. You can do something "this way", and it may work. It may with 1000 times. But there's a better way. Less risk. Better, more consistent, more predictable results. Just because the warrior disc didn't grab doesn't mean that your technique is good.

same technique…I could be wrong.

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Yes, you could be wrong
 
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That is the issue right there. I avoid cutting like that if at all possible. If the grinder grabs, it's coming towards you, = bad

Once in a while there is a weird spot that forces you to cut that way. If I have to cut that way I know I need to be super mindful and careful about what I'm doing.
Exactly, that is on me.

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Two brand new Black & Decker discs, exact same conditions, kick back violently when touching the top of the vertical leg. Give me a logical explanation of this.

That's a good way to "shock" a disc or blade. Generally you want to start cutting with maximum engagement.

If you try that on a band saw it will likely strip teeth...
 

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Been following this thread with interest, and a degree of trepidation.

I’ve always been wary of angle grinders. Not scared, but careful, especially with cutting or grinding discs.

Thanks to the O.P. for posting.

Most of us who use power tools know that there’s a huge difference in the quality of the “consumables” available. Doesn’t matter if it’s a power drill or a sander or anything - there are drill bits that don’t cut and sandpaper that doesn’t sand. Thankfully we have generally learnt what to avoid, and are usually able to find a quality level appropriate to our use / budget.

Angie grinders are different to many other tools though. Failure of a disc isn’t simply a nuisance, it’s dangerous, in a way that a crappy drill bit or sanding pad won’t be.

The O.P. has clearly said that he was able to finish the cut with a different disc without issue, but violent kickback was with two different Black and Decker discs. I think that pretty much confirms what we think. Quality (and maybe age) of the discs is everything.

Sure, using a guard is important, and I would never cut or grind without.

And contrary to some previous posts, I believe the quality of the grinder is important too. I used a crappy one for a job once, and it was the most uncomfortable (noise and vibration) power tool I have ever used, as well as being dodgy as anything owing to the crappy switch.
Technique was not bad, in my opinion a top quality disc would not have kicked back.
There you go!
Cut was away from body and leg, rotation was wrong, causing kickback to come back toward you instead of forward away from you.
I know what you mean. You can be cutting in the “right” direction (moving the tool away from you) but the rotation can force the tool in the wrong direction. The rotation is more important, but you know that now.

In the aviation world, we talk about a “chain” of errors. No one will lead to an accident, but all together, at the wrong time, they can.

With a chain of errors, breaking any “link” in the chain will prevent an accident.

In this case, a better disc (and in date), cutting with the rotation the safe way, a guard, a grinder with anti kickback, or even a paddle switch, might have prevented the accident. I try to do all these things!

As a matter of interest. I tend to use Norton or 3M discs and have never had issues. I limit my economy measures to picking up these if I see them on a deal.

The cost savings on cheaper discs are negligible, but I know folks sometimes find them more available. Perhaps another reason to maintain your own stocks?
 

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My old boss wasn't a fan of safety or PPE. None of the grinders, cut-off tools, lathes or mills had safety guards and when we got a new tool, he would throw the guard straight in the 'F*** it bucket'. He would laugh at people for wearing hearing protection or safety glasses (even though he wore regular glasses) and bought Barbie bandaids to make covering cuts more emasculating. He wouldn't buy worker's comp insurance - which backfired when I ripped half my left bicep off the shoulder blade. He retired and closed up shop shortly after, so still didn't care.

I don't do machining for a living any more, but my most common injury was getting my long beard caught in... well, pretty much everything. Seems like I was either pulling chunks out of tools or breathing burned beard constantly.
Now that I'm a corporate slug, the worst recent encounter was with a leaf blower while drying my motorcycle a month or so back.
 
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How did that work out for you?


There are things called Best practices. You can do something "this way", and it may work. It may with 1000 times. But there's a better way. Less risk. Better, more consistent, more predictable results. Just because the warrior disc didn't grab doesn't mean that your technique is good.


Yes, you could be wrong
“How did that work out for you”
It was the disc, not the hold. I can not describe how violent that kickback was, it was unbelieveable, I do not think a handle would have made any difference and I think a handle makes kickbacks more possible because you do not have as much precise control in downward pressure and side contact.

All factors the same, Warrior discs do not kick back through several cuts including finishing the cut where the kickbacks occurred red back occurred. Black & Decker discs kicked back violently twice attempting the same cut. Those facts do not change. Is it empirical proof, no, but it is close. My position is, if there was s top of the line disc in that grinder, Walter, Pferd, Lennox, those kickbacks would not have happened and I think there is enough empirical evidence to support that.

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I’m lucky if I’m wearing anything other than a t-shirt and shorts when grinding and welding. I have gotten a lot more dedicated to eye safety over the years, with considerably less use of the safety squints.
 

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“How did that work out for you”
It was the disc, not the hold. I can not describe how violent that kickback was, it was unbelieveable, I do not think a handle would have made any difference and I think a handle makes kickbacks more possible because you do not have as much precise control in downward pressure and side contact.
Keep telling yourself that
 
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Been following this thread with interest, and a degree of trepidation.

I’ve always been wary of angle grinders. Not scared, but careful, especially with cutting or grinding discs.

Thanks to the O.P. for posting.

Most of us who use power tools know that there’s a huge difference in the quality of the “consumables” available. Doesn’t matter if it’s a power drill or a sander or anything - there are drill bits that don’t cut and sandpaper that doesn’t sand. Thankfully we have generally learnt what to avoid, and are usually able to find a quality level appropriate to our use / budget.

Angie grinders are different to many other tools though. Failure of a disc isn’t simply a nuisance, it’s dangerous, in a way that a crappy drill bit or sanding pad won’t be.

The O.P. has clearly said that he was able to finish the cut with a different disc without issue, but violent kickback was with two different Black and Decker discs. I think that pretty much confirms what we think. Quality (and maybe age) of the discs is everything.

Sure, using a guard is important, and I would never cut or grind without.

And contrary to some previous posts, I believe the quality of the grinder is important too. I used a crappy one for a job once, and it was the most uncomfortable (noise and vibration) power tool I have ever used, as well as being dodgy as anything owing to the crappy switch.

There you go!

I know what you mean. You can be cutting in the “right” direction (moving the tool away from you) but the rotation can force the tool in the wrong direction. The rotation is more important, but you know that now.

In the aviation world, we talk about a “chain” of errors. No one will lead to an accident, but all together, at the wrong time, they can.

With a chain of errors, breaking any “link” in the chain will prevent an accident.

In this case, a better disc (and in date), cutting with the rotation the safe way, a guard, a grinder with anti kickback, or even a paddle switch, might have prevented the accident. I try to do all these things!

As a matter of interest. I tend to use Norton or 3M discs and have never had issues. I limit my economy measures to picking up these if I see them on a deal.

The cost savings on cheaper discs are negligible, but I know folks sometimes find them more available. Perhaps another reason to maintain your own stocks?
I believe you hit on all of the points…

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I’m lucky if I’m wearing anything other than a t-shirt and shorts when grinding and welding. I have gotten a lot more dedicated to eye safety over the years, with considerably less use of the safety squints.
I am surprised, but there are some nice leather welding aprons on Amazon at some very reasonable prices. Check out “YESWELDER.” Look at OP picture, I think I am getting one.

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Sorry, I'm on a plane right now, so I can only offer anecdotal evidence.

You'll just have to trust that there's no hole in my leg under the jeans. I think the other pax would get concerned if I took them off to take a pic.
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Other pax?…I would be concerned.

The Black & Decker discs did that. No Black & Decker discs, no picture AND @Dave455 seems to concur. You might want to read his post as other ancillary proof. But don’t worry, I am as tough as nails and don’t have to hide behind pretty blue jeans.

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“How did that work out for you”
It was the disc, not the hold. I can not describe how violent that kickback was, it was unbelieveable, I do not think a handle would have made any difference and I think a handle makes kickbacks more possible because you do not have as much precise control in downward pressure and side contact.

All factors the same, Warrior discs do not kick back through several cuts including finishing the cut where the kickbacks occurred red back occurred. Black & Decker discs kicked back violently twice attempting the same cut. Those facts do not change. Is it empirical proof, no, but it is close. My position is, if there was s top of the line disc in that grinder, Walter, Pferd, Lennox, those kickbacks would not have happened and I think there is enough empirical evidence to support that.

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Kick back is ALWAYS violent, and you’re never ready for it.

My conclusion, based on the information you’ve given, is that the cheap disc had nothing to do with the accident.

The angle iron pinched the blade because it was improperly secured. The grinder didn’t have a guard or a handle. You weren’t strong enough to control the kickback, and got bit as a result. It’s unfortunate, but those are the facts the way some of us see it. Not to mention the poor choice of pants for this type of work.

You should have brought up the lack of a shield or handle in the first place. By neglecting that information, it makes your rant seem to be at directing blame at the disc, rather than analyzing the sequence of events and taking at least some accountability for the accident.

Sorry, but there’s too much drama pointing at the disc, when the disc was probably a minor participant in an unfortunate sequence of events.
 

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I have never had [yet] a disc shatter or etc for me. I used to just grab the grinder and hit the switch and get it done. Then I met a guy, we were talking about chainsaws and chain grinders, and he showed me a terrible scar he had from the disc on a chainsaw grinder shattering and the pieces, couple of them, slamming into him. Read up on this, and saw other stories. So now I bought a full face shield, extra welding gloves, and don't use a disc that had dropped and hit the floor. Those go in trash.
 

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Usually to have an accident, you make multiple mistakes.

I don't doubt the cutting wheel contributed to the accident. Maybe it was the main cause, idk. But let's be honest. It wasn't the only cause.

If you had been cutting away from yourself. The disc probably still would have caught. But instead of jumping towards your leg, it would have jumped away and you wouldn't have gotten hurt.
 
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Usually to have an accident, you make multiple mistakes.

I don't doubt the cutting wheel contributed to the accident. Maybe it was the main cause, idk. But let's be honest. It wasn't the only cause.

If you had been cutting away from yourself. The disc probably still would have caught. But instead of jumping towards your leg, it would have jumped away and you wouldn't have gotten hurt.
The other thing that comes to mind is the grinder seems to have had the type of switch that latches in the “ON” position rather than having a switch that requires the operator to hold the switch in the on position.

That type of switch is inherently dangerous in my experience, although maybe not as dangerous as a paddle switch that powers up the grinder if you sit it down wrong.

Many of ny grinders have three position switches, off, on, and lock on. I try to avoid using the lock on position just because I’m leery of an incident like the op experienced.

I really dislike the safety switches where you have to toggle / fold the little paddle, but in all honesty, they’re the safest to use and maybe should be mandatory.
 

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Any cutting or grinding disc when cutting against the rotation of the disc will be susceptible to grabbing. I've blown up very expensive high quality discs doing that. The edge of the metal digs into the disc, the disc bites, and then tries to throw the grinder back at you or rip it out of your hands. This is Grinder 101 that going against the rotation is unstable and risky.

Always try and cut using the trailing edge of the disc. Yes, it throws sparks at you, but that's why you have a guard on it that captures most of them. If it does grab and throw the grinder back at you, at least half the disc is covered by the guard.

No face shield, no handle, no guard, jogging pants and cutting against the direction of rotation, yet somehow it's the discs fault you got hurt? Come on man.

I have all of those things on my grinder and manage to do just fine.

Put the guard and handle on and fix your technique.
 

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I really dislike the safety switches where you have to toggle / fold the little paddle, but in all honesty, they’re the safest to use and maybe should be mandatory.
I've used some that were cumbersome, almost requiring two hands just to flip the little thing and press the paddle. I don't have any trouble with the DeWalt ones, though. I have used some that had the little flipper removed and more than once somebody would do something that pulled the cord and moved the grinder so that the paddle got pressed starting an angle grinder rodeo. I didn't like that
 

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I am not sure what you are asking but the direction of the grinder was away from the body across the top of the horizontal leg of the angle iron with the vertical leg of the angle iron in the vice away from the body. But the rotation of the disc was throwing sparks away from the body which meant when the grinder kicked back it came at the body instead of away from the body.

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If you were cutting across the top and sparks were flying away from you. Cutting across the top leg of the angle iron can throw spark to or away from you depending on orientation of grinder. Rotating tool 180° will change the direction of rotation the wheel cuts. Sounds to me like cutting on the wrong side of grinder for this cut was a cause of kick back
 
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Kick back is ALWAYS violent, and you’re never ready for it.

My conclusion, based on the information you’ve given, is that the cheap disc had nothing to do with the accident.

The angle iron pinched the blade because it was improperly secured. The grinder didn’t have a guard or a handle. You weren’t strong enough to control the kickback, and got bit as a result. It’s unfortunate, but those are the facts the way some of us see it. Not to mention the poor choice of pants for this type of work.

You should have brought up the lack of a shield or handle in the first place. By neglecting that information, it makes your rant seem to be at directing blame at the disc, rather than analyzing the sequence of events and taking at least some accountability for the accident.

Sorry, but there’s too much drama pointing at the disc, when the disc was probably a minor participant in an unfortunate sequence of events.
The 1/8” 1 1/2” angle iron was secured in a 5” Fox Bench Vise. It was not moving.

Now, for the fifth time, what is pointing to the Black & Decker discs is that the same cut was made multiple times with Warrior discs that same night. The last Warrior disc wore down, so was replaced by a new Black & Decker disc. Doing the same previous cuts two Black & Decker discs violently kicked back doing two separate leg grabs. Changed back to the worn Warrior disc AND FINISHED THE SAME CUT THAT THE KICKBACKS OCCURRED ON. That is the proof that points to the Black & Decker discs. Is it conclusive, no, but it is pretty strong.

Refuting a third point that you have made, I have taken responsibility for having the wrong rotation on the grinder and not wearing the proper pants, both of which will be corrected. There are some nice leather welding aprons on Amazon. The lack of a guard and a handle has been explained three times as a personal preference, right or wrong, neither of which contributed to the two violent kickbacks which is the major point of concern. Poor safety factor, perhaps.

You do not characterize my expressions as a rant…

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I have never had [yet] a disc shatter or etc for me. I used to just grab the grinder and hit the switch and get it done. Then I met a guy, we were talking about chainsaws and chain grinders, and he showed me a terrible scar he had from the disc on a chainsaw grinder shattering and the pieces, couple of them, slamming into him. Read up on this, and saw other stories. So now I bought a full face shield, extra welding gloves, and don't use a disc that had dropped and hit the floor. Those go in trash.
Top of the line discs, premium goggles, premium full face shield, leather welding apron, from now on for me.

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Usually to have an accident, you make multiple mistakes.

I don't doubt the cutting wheel contributed to the accident. Maybe it was the main cause, idk. But let's be honest. It wasn't the only cause.

If you had been cutting away from yourself. The disc probably still would have caught. But instead of jumping towards your leg, it would have jumped away and you wouldn't have gotten hurt.
There it is, whatever caused the kickback, if the rotation had been right, I would not have been hurt, i have owned up to that and wearing the wrong pants. Both of which will be corrected, too much at stake.

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The other thing that comes to mind is the grinder seems to have had the type of switch that latches in the “ON” position rather than having a switch that requires the operator to hold the switch in the on position.

That type of switch is inherently dangerous in my experience, although maybe not as dangerous as a paddle switch that powers up the grinder if you sit it down wrong.

Many of ny grinders have three position switches, off, on, and lock on. I try to avoid using the lock on position just because I’m leery of an incident like the op experienced.

I really dislike the safety switches where you have to toggle / fold the little paddle, but in all honesty, they’re the safest to use and maybe should be mandatory.
The Metabo definitely has the switch you first described, it is very hard to activate, sometimes causing you to lose control of the grinder when it torques on (the Metabo motor is strong) and when it clicks on, it locks in. Rear tab on switch pokes up and a quick stab down releases the switch. Not easy to do when grinder is grinding into your leg. Thought paddle might be better but you don’t like them either. Somebody mentioned a foot switch, am looking into it.

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If you were cutting across the top and sparks were flying away from you. Cutting across the top leg of the angle iron can throw spark to or away from you depending on orientation of grinder. Rotating tool 180° will change the direction of rotation the wheel cuts. Sounds to me like cutting on the wrong side of grinder for this cut was a cause of kick back
I was on the wrong side of the grinder…

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Any cutting or grinding disc when cutting against the rotation of the disc will be susceptible to grabbing. I've blown up very expensive high quality discs doing that. The edge of the metal digs into the disc, the disc bites, and then tries to throw the grinder back at you or rip it out of your hands. This is Grinder 101 that going against the rotation is unstable and risky.

Always try and cut using the trailing edge of the disc. Yes, it throws sparks at you, but that's why you have a guard on it that captures most of them. If it does grab and throw the grinder back at you, at least half the disc is covered by the guard.

No face shield, no handle, no guard, jogging pants and cutting against the direction of rotation, yet somehow it's the discs fault you got hurt? Come on man.

I have all of those things on my grinder and manage to do just fine.

Put the guard and handle on and fix your technique.

Never thought about it was cutting against the rotation of the wheel, but I guess it was. I thought the rotation was only critical for which direction the grinder would be thrown if it kicked back but it is also critical as to how the disc addresses the metal, especially as you are going over the top of a piece of angle iron headed down to the vertical leg. Have to clean that up and get a leather welding apron. BUT, I made that cut multiple times with that Warrior disc, multiple times. It was because I stayed on the outside carefully came down the face of the leg, not trying to go through it. The Black & Decker discs for whatever reason, could not take it.

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I could use more safety gear, got the full face shield and goggles, could use a leather apron. I like my chest and legs too…

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I wear one of those heavy canvas Carhartt jackets when grinding and cutting steel, yeah. It's not ideal in the summer, but I feel safe inside it.
 
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I wear one of those heavy canvas Carhartt jackets when grinding and cutting steel, yeah. It's not ideal in the summer, but I feel safe inside it.
When you mentioned “Carthartt” before, went to the website but had a hard time figuring out which jackets would be good for what we are doing, they cost money and it seems leather would be more ideal, better protection. Amazon had some nice looking leather welding aprons that were really reasonable, “YESWELDING” looked pretty good, maximum protection at a good ptice.

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Post a pic of your grinder, im interested. No doubt they make a fine grinder, the newer safety features are a welcomed change for me

.045" or 1/32" is standard issue for cutting, less heat, faster, less waste, there's a reason 30yrs ago Metabo came out w the original "Slicer"

Agreed on brands
Walter
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Here are the pictures you asked about…

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I would have a guard on that. I run 6" and 9" grinders always with guards. I also use Walter zip discs that are at least 15 years old with zero issues. The only times I hurt myself with a grinder was when I had no guard or a modified guard.
 

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Here are the pictures you asked about…

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Hate to break it to you....

that's a rebranded Hitachi grinder, they merged with Metabo recently. Notice the HPT (made in China)...

It's a standard issue grinder, no better or worse then most Milwaukee's, Dewalts, etc....

But if you are truly in search of a "safer" grinder, Metabo and a few others offer kick-back tech that wouldve prevented your issue (maybe)

Personally I would rather rely on proper technique first, and have the tech and quality as a backup. I would suggest watching a few vids about grinding techniques and safety then explore better gear.
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Hate to break it to you....

that's a rebranded Hitachi grinder, they merged with Metabo recently. Notice the HPT (made in China)...

It's a standard issue grinder, no better or worse then most Milwaukee's, Dewalts, etc....

But if you are truly in search of a "safer" grinder, Metabo and a few others offer kick-back tech that wouldve prevented your issue (maybe)

Personally I would rather rely on proper technique first, and have the tech and quality as a backup. I would suggest watching a few vids about grinding techniques and safety then explore better gear.
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Thats alright, got it for $30. At least I got the name plate.

i got plenty technique baby…

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I would have a guard on that. I run 6" and 9" grinders always with guards. I also use Walter zip discs that are at least 15 years old with zero issues. The only times I hurt myself with a grinder was when I had no guard or a modified guard.
Looked around, picked it up used, I do not think it came with a guard or handle. It‘s got a stubborn switch though.

How can a friction cut off wheel be 15 years old?

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Used wheels are less likely to kick back - slower surface speed at the cutting edge, less leverage over the grinder. I have some pretty decent scars on my hands from making mistakes with grinders - they’re handy (ha!) reminders how dangerous they can be. Use a guard, keep your limbs out of wherever the grinder may want to go and wear a face shield. If a grinder kicks back don’t do the same thing again and expect a different result.

This has nothing to do with the wheels used, it’s just user error. Learn from it and hopefully it won’t happen again.
 
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Used wheels are less likely to kick back - slower surface speed at the cutting edge, less leverage over the grinder. I have some pretty decent scars on my hands from making mistakes with grinders - they’re handy (ha!) reminders how dangerous they can be. Use a guard, keep your limbs out of wherever the grinder may want to go and wear a face shield. If a grinder kicks back don’t do the same thing again and expect a different result.

This has nothing to do with the wheels used, it’s just user error. Learn from it and hopefully it won’t happen again.
Wheels that kicked back were brand new Black & Decker discs, not used. All previous cuts and finish cut to finish cut started by the Black &. Decker discs were made with a used Warrior disc. The kickbacks were caused by the two Black & Decker wheels, not technique. Same technique was used several times with the Warrior wheels. Physical Evidence…

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Looked around, picked it up used, I do not think it came with a guard or handle. It‘s got a stubborn switch though.

How can a friction cut off wheel be 15 years old?

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mjac
I still have tubs of them from when I was running my welding rig. Zip discs, grinding wheels, flap discs and wire wheels. I started buying them in 2005 when I became self employed and I also got quite a few from the tool crib. We also can’t use a grinder on any industrial job site around here without a guard, handle, or trigger lock. We would get run off the job. I even leave my guards on at home just because I have seen enough films of damage shattered discs have made.
 
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