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So..... is a "check nut wrench" an actual thing? I've tried looking up check nut wrench and check nut but find nothing this wrench would be specifically for.

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I think "check" can mean "stop". So a check nut would be the second nut when double nutting to prevent ["stop"] loosening of the original nut. A lot of double nuts are thin compared to normal.
 

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Probably part of a kit for some machinery? Judging by the stamping , it was for the check nut!
 

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C'mon you guys.
The very first thing on google was a picture and a definition of a 'check nut'.
It is the same as a jam nut.
Everyday universal stuff.
 

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So..... is a "check nut wrench" an actual thing?
It was, especially in the late 1910's and early 1920's, when your wrench was made (by J.H. Williams, either in their Brooklyn or Buffalo factories - can't see the logo close enough to tell), for check, jam, or lock nuts, as others have alluded to, on all kinds of machines, including engines with valves and tappets, I believe.

Single or double open end wrenches in this era and well up through the 50's had very specific names for very specific applications, such as set screw, tool post, machine, textile, water pump, service, and engineer's wrenches. These all had different milled opening size ranges, profiles, head angles, and shanks/handles for different applications.

Not all of them had their functional name forged-in, and this exotic practice did not last long even for the check nut wrenches.

The closest thing to today's standard DOE wrenches would be the engineer's wrenches, which had milled openings for the entire range of what we think of as "standard" nuts and bolts (in fact, up until the late 50's there were two major standards - U.S.S. and S.A.E.), and hex cap screws.

Not to sound like a pedant, if you're going to collect old wrenches, even sporadically, as a part-time hobby, I highly recommend leafing through a vintage catalog (1920-1950). Everything I summarized above will become apparent within a dozen pages. Any of the early giants who catered to different industries (machines shops, textile mills, automotive, etc) will do, but you really can't go wrong with the company who made the wrench you just found.

Nice find, by the way!

EDIT: Unlike Alloy Artifacts, the Tool Archives, established by esteemed GJ member twertsy, and populated with information and examples posted by him and other GJ and broader (Garage Gazette, etc) tool collecting community contributors, has an open library. Once you register, which is free, click here for the Williams section.
 
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This catalog page in its entirety should be available at ToolArchives:

J.H. Williams Check Nut Wrenches - 1928 Marshall Wells Co. catalog pp 215.jpg

For some reason I'm having a hard time getting my head wrapped around a forged wrench with an opening that size being only 1/8" thick at the head. That's bicycle cone-wrench thickness. My tappet wrenches aren't even that thin:

thickness of head on Indestro Super T3 5.8 tappet wrench.jpg
 

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This catalog page in its entirety should be available at ToolArchives:

J.H. Williams Check Nut Wrenches - 1928 Marshall Wells Co. catalog pp 215.jpg

For some reason I'm having a hard time getting my head wrapped around a forged wrench with an opening that size being only 1/8" thick at the head. That's bicycle cone-wrench thickness. My tappet wrenches aren't even that thin:

thickness of head on Indestro Super T3 5.8 tappet wrench.jpg
I've seen some Upland Forge forged DOE that scare that thickness.
 

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For some reason I'm having a hard time getting my head wrapped around a forged wrench with an opening that size being only 1/8" thick at the head. That's bicycle cone-wrench thickness. My tappet wrenches aren't even that thin.
If those are Williams check nut wrenches you're excerpting, I'm not sure of the source or date of that catalog, but by the 1930's the smallest check nut wrenches in their own catalogs had heads that were 5/32" thick, so a smidge over 1/8". Their largest check nut wrenches (with openings between 1-1/6" and 1-1/2") had heads that were 3/8" thick.

What size tappet wrenches are you talking about? The smallest Bonney and Herbrand tappet wrenches (with milled openings from 3/8" to 19/32") had heads that were only 5/32" thick. The largest (15/16" to 1") had heads that were 7/32" thick.
 

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You realize, guys, that now you got me intrigued with all this, and so now I'm going to have to go digging through all my stuff looking for these things. I know I have one tappet wrench that's so thin you can just about see though it.
 
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Thanks Private Lugnutz (and most other respondents) for the detailed information. Your congeniality and desire to share information is why I've been on GJ for several years. And based on that info I can add that the wrench I posted is just about 1/8" thick.

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You realize, guys, that now you got me intrigued with all this, and so now I'm going to have to go digging through all my stuff looking for these things. I know I have one tappet wrench that's so thin you can just about see though it.

It kinda feels that way sometimes, doesn't it? I have cone wrenches for bicycle axles that are the same way, basically little more than heavy sheet metal.
 

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They were a thing.

I never really focused on the old catalog pages for Billings or Armstrong, but they both made all kinds of different models of wrenches for specialized applications that (for the most part) don't even exist today.

It looks like what we know as a "combination wrench" came along later. Maybe I'm mistaken there.

One of the oldies that came back was the "S" wrench, of all things. Go figure.

What puzzles me about the "Check Nut" wrenches is what the actual sizes are on the openings. If I want one that's 3/8" x 7/16", what model number do I want? :headscrat
 

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Thanks Private Lugnutz (and most other respondents) for the detailed information.
Glad to help.

They were a thing

I never really focused on the old catalog pages for Billings or Armstrong, but they both made all kinds of different models of wrenches for specialized applications that (for the most part) don't even exist today.
You didn't believe me? :)

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It looks like what we know as a "combination wrench" came along later. Maybe I'm mistaken there.
Tool post wrenches had an open end and a closed end, same size 4-point opening on both ends, for different accesses to set screws and square nuts, and may have inspired someone, but they were nothing like what we think of as combination wrenches, which combine an engineer's wrench and a box wrench. They weren't introduced until the early to mid 1930's, and that was not widespread. I tracked this down once, noticing that they don't show up in many WWII toolsets. They're not in the GMTK, for example. Don't quote me on this, but I believe Plomb may have been the first in 1933. Snap-On 1935. Bonney and Williams in 1939.

four.cycle said:
What puzzles me about the "Check Nut" wrenches is what the actual sizes are on the openings. If I want one that's 3/8" x 7/16", what model number do I want? :headscrat
?? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but vintage mfgr's catalogs typically include wrench tables, in the style of Machinery's Handbook, which list milled opening sizes along with the sizes of the nuts and bolts they fit, regardless of the type of wrench. To include check nut wrenches. I don't know about hardware store catalogs, which I've never trusted, unless it's the only catalog available. EDIT: I just looked at your own example above. It includes opening sizes. See B&S wrench No. 1325.
 
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Private Lugnutz said:
Don't quote me on this, but I believe Plomb may have been the first in 1933. Snap-On 1935. Bonney and Williams in 1939.

There are "Combination Box Open End Wrenches" (also shown on another page as "2-Way Box End Wrenches") shown in the 1935 Indestro catalog: model numbers 771 772 773 774 775 776 - the same model numbers used in later catalogs.

Private Lugnutz said:
"...milled opening sizes..."

I had assumed that might be the case, but all the other numbers in those two snippets were a bit confounding.
I might pick up a couple of them if I can be sure to get the sizes I'd want.

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You didn't believe me?

When I first started dabbling my toes in the "tool collector" waters, there was all kinds of stuff that I found surprising.
Today, not so much. It seems like almost every day I run across another screwball deal I've never heard of, like this one yesterday:

1872 Industrial Monthly - Barwick Wrench ad pp.jpg

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Looks like twertsy already knew about them, though: http://toolarchives.com/node/3880
 
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When I first started dabbling my toes in the "tool collector" waters, there was all kinds of stuff that I found surprising.
Today, not so much. It seems like almost every day I run across another screwball deal I've never heard of, like this one yesterday:

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As seen on TV ;-)
 

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Here's a Williams 625 check nut survivor I found today.

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I was tromping around in the sage brush near the horse pen one day and found a Billings 1" check nut wrench, probably laid there a few decades (in dry western CO) A quick de-rust routine, and she's good to use, only minor pitting on one side. Its shorter and thinner than my Craftsman 1" combo wrench, so will come in handy some day.
 

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Here's an assortment of small check-nut wrenches. The Stanley numbered wrenches are exact versions of standard check-nut wrench sizes.

For example: Stanley 3/4" X-1004 is a 604A; Stanley 5/8" X-1002 is a 603A; Stanley 1/2" X-1012 is a 601.

These Stanleys were found in a huge collection of small, thin, mostly stamped-steel wrenches used for changing blades and bits on air/power tools. The old timers swear that the cool Stanley versions came with old power tools, before the stamped steel versions. The Stanleys present with a variety of plating types, and head shapes (old-school oval & newer pear shapes). The 703 Herbrand is in the photo by mistake. It's a standard (not check-nut) engineer's wrench.

The Stanleys are a curiosity to me: I can find nothing about them on a search......can you?

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Williams Check Nut Wrenches from the Brooklyn Oval logo era.
 

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