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Fast Orange

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OK guys-my turn to ask you a question.
I just ordered a CP #724 3/8" impact gun from Northern Tool.
Is it made in America?

George :cool:
 
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You can bring up a simular page for any of thier sales areas,so I'm hoping that's a false lead.
The main reason I went with the CP is because of the good luck I've had with both a 3/8 air ratchet and a 1/2 impact gun. Both are over 10 years old and have been virtually trouble free.I'm hoping this gun will be as good.
It's great the way you think of more stuff to check right after you hit the "submit order" button.
Thanks,
George :cool:
 

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Elroy would bet Tiawan.

My experience on air tools is in general: Your going to be better off with the Chigago over the Rand. Most (not all) IR are built in China. If its made in Japan it's premium!

Ever see a made in Japan Weatherby shot gun? They are works of art my friend. Same for Browning, junk they are NOT. They are just made in Japan and that's all.
 

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Jim would have to agree with Elroy... IR from japan is decent stuff. ie IR1200. Next air tool will be a die grinder and its goign to be from viking (USA)

Jim
 

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kartracer55 said:
Jim would have to agree with Elroy... IR from japan is decent stuff. ie IR1200. Next air tool will be a die grinder and its goign to be from viking (USA)

Jim
I guess I'm buying Viking air tools from now on...I didn't think anyone still made 'em here...
 

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Yeah Viking Is known for thier autobody tools... sanders mainly, but they have a line of other air tools. Whats nice is they have mini die grinders, mid size and full size. Not ALL of thier air tools are made here, or rather, The only ones that I know are made here are thier air drills, grinders, sanders, cut off tools. Not sure about thier impact gun, paint gun or anything else.

heres most of thier line... the company web page is under construction

http://www.contractorstools.com/viking.html

www.thetoolwarehouse.net has better prices.

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I think most air tools come from across the water, almost regardless of who's badge they are wearing, including Snap off. I wonder about Souix air tools, years ago they were an excellent quality air tool. I own a few CP air tools ( no complaints) My paint guns are all Devillbiss and Sharp (again no complaints). I almost hate to admit it, but (GASP) all my air ratchets, my burp gun, and a few other assorted air tools came from Horrible Freight! These are the only concessions to quality I have ever made with regard to quality in any of my tools. The suprising part is, these cheapie air tools have performed for me for years without one of them failing. So on the rare occasions I need to buy an air tool, I will look around at the good stuff, then end up buying the cheap stuff! This totally goes against my nature of buying the very best I possibly can, however I cannot argue with outstanding tool performance!
 
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I checked my old workhorse 1/2" CP gun today and found out it was made in Japan.Can't tell where my air ratchet is from-the ID tag is almost worn off.
Scary thing about the gun-I bought it in 1978 for the princely sum of $78.98 from an independent tool truck that visited my Dad's shop.It's been rebuilt once,in 1985,and that cost all of $38.00 from my Snap-On guy at the time.I guess I can't complain about that tool.
I still have no idea where the new gun is from--I'm hoping the same plant in Japan as my 1/2".

George :headscrat
 

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If it is anything like the 3/4" one my dad has you will not have any problems. He owns a trucking company and the wrench gets used almost every day for every thing from general maintanace to changing tires. I used it to change a few today. It is over 9 yrs. old and havent had any problems.
 

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What about Dotco? Have you looked at them? If you are looking for premium look no further. But get ready to mortgage your house... They are the Snap-on of air tools, for sure.

But - I have had just as good of luck with CP as I have with IR (the newer stuff). I have no problem with CP.

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I like the handle/design of IR guns better... they look to be more balanced. I dont think Dotco really makes mechanics type air tools though, do they?

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l_bilyk said:
wooooooooooah hang on a minute
IR hand tools are NOT made here???


You mean air tools? No, Ingersoll rand air tools are NOT made here, for the most part at least. There are a few exceptions... there "Ti" composite/titanium guns are made here, the thunder gun is made here, and the street legal thundergun is assembled here with US and foreign parts. But yeah, most of thier stuff comes from overseas. Thier high end stuff comes from USA and Japan, the regular stuff comes from china. the 231c and all those guns are chinese made. The Highend rathcets (ir1200, ir111) are made in japan. You gotta watch out with what your buying from them. IR is a HUGE company, and they sell tools in justy baout every country in the world. Thier low end compressors are made in india, the good highend high$$ ones are made in better places, like the USA.

Thier impact sockets come from taiwan I think.

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Yeah I heard all about the crappy indian pumps on those.

I had no idea about the air tools though. Are you ready for another "ultra pro" thing? Ok good. Our ultra pro badged tools are identical to IR. Like carbon copies. Parts completely interchangeabe. I was told IR even manufactures them. But I knew they weren't made here. This all makes sense now.
 

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Dont get me wrong, IR tools are some of the best out there. Its just unfortunate they are made in china. China can make high quality stuff, but you pay a decent amount of $$$ for it.

Jim
 

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I have IR's 1/2"drive deep well impact sockets, SAE and metric. I didn't realize, until I received them, that they were made in Taiwan. I've got to say, even though they are made in Taiwan, they are made very well. I am very impressed with them.
 
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79rallysport said:
I have IR's 1/2"drive deep well impact sockets, SAE and metric. I didn't realize, until I received them, that they were made in Taiwan. I've got to say, even though they are made in Taiwan, they are made very well. I am very impressed with them.

So they were probably made in the same plants as cheaper "made in taiwan" sockets, and you're only paying for the brand name.
 

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So they were probably made in the same plants as cheaper "made in taiwan" sockets, and you're only paying for the brand name.

Actually, I read somewhere that Taiwan - and even China - have state of the art manufacturing facilities that put some US facilities to shame. Don't kid yourself, they DO have the resources to make great quality stuff.

Now if we could just work out all the politics and play nice together....
 

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Guys - this may be a bit off topic, but China can produce whatever quality stuff you want. So can Tiawan and maybe even India (I'd give India a few more years).

I have visited a few of these manufacturing plants and I can tell you that they are impressively equiped and spotless. The workers in many plants are required to take their shoes off and wear paper booties when they enter the plant! That's clean.

I have looked into having some parts for my product made in China because of the cost of American labor. Basically, even overseas you get what you are willing to pay for. They can crank out super high quality or really cheap **** - it's all up to their customer. SO in the case of air tools, if the IR stuff from China is a bit junky it is IR's fault, not the manufacturer.

One example - one of my molds here in the states was quoted up to $65,000 just for the mold, and then maintenance, set-up fees and machine time - it was really rediculous. Several companies refused to quote and I even had a few tell me it could not be molded the way it was designed (I am making these things myself now). My parts would have cost about $26 per piece in volumes of 10,000 here in the states. I contacted some folks in Tiawan that I had ran into at a plastics trade show in Chicago and they quoted me $5 per part with no tooling costs! Same part, same tolerances, same material in lots of 5,000. I checked into their history with some folks here in the states and they are completely legit and a professionally operated company that has been around for 15 years. The folks I spoke with highly recommended them.

It's no wonder US products are being made overseas in huge numbers - it's hard to beat the price. The quality is available and it's up to the customer to make sure he isn't cutting too many corners.

Scott
 

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eschoendorff said:
Actually, I read somewhere that Taiwan - and even China - have state of the art manufacturing facilities that put some US facilities to shame. Don't kid yourself, they DO have the resources to make great quality stuff.

Now if we could just work out all the politics and play nice together....

My point was, why buy an expensive brand like IR when you can get the same tool under a cheaper nameplate
 

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l_bilyk said:
My point was, why buy an expensive brand like IR when you can get the same tool under a cheaper nameplate


You can... I'm willing to bet that MIT tools and even Pittsburgh are the same sockets, just rebranded....
 

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Guys - this may be a bit off topic, but China can produce whatever quality stuff you want. So can Tiawan and maybe even India (I'd give India a few more years).

I have visited a few of these manufacturing plants and I can tell you that they are impressively equiped and spotless. The workers in many plants are required to take their shoes off and wear paper booties when they enter the plant! That's clean.

I have looked into having some parts for my product made in China because of the cost of American labor. Basically, even overseas you get what you are willing to pay for. They can crank out super high quality or really cheap **** - it's all up to their customer. SO in the case of air tools, if the IR stuff from China is a bit junky it is IR's fault, not the manufacturer.

One example - one of my molds here in the states was quoted up to $65,000 just for the mold, and then maintenance, set-up fees and machine time - it was really rediculous. Several companies refused to quote and I even had a few tell me it could not be molded the way it was designed (I am making these things myself now). My parts would have cost about $26 per piece in volumes of 10,000 here in the states. I contacted some folks in Tiawan that I had ran into at a plastics trade show in Chicago and they quoted me $5 per part with no tooling costs! Same part, same tolerances, same material in lots of 5,000. I checked into their history with some folks here in the states and they are completely legit and a professionally operated company that has been around for 15 years. The folks I spoke with highly recommended them.

It's no wonder US products are being made overseas in huge numbers - it's hard to beat the price. The quality is available and it's up to the customer to make sure he isn't cutting too many corners.

Scott
The problem with the Chinese is they are our enemies...their words not ours...

Child labor, slave labor...see, now you got me started...

Your product would sell for less, too if your willing to settle for making $500.00 a year...

I'm done...
 

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krooser said:
The problem with the Chinese is they are our enemies...their words not ours...

Child labor, slave labor...see, now you got me started...

Your product would sell for less, too if your willing to settle for making $500.00 a year...

I'm done...


Krooser you hit the nail on the head. I dont buy chinese sh*t out of PRINCIPAL! some of the things china has said is downright scary, and way to many people dont bother to educate themselves on the situation with china. So to everybody, go ahead and ignore what we say, youll see what we mean in 10 years when the official lanuage of the peoples republik of the amewica is chinese.

Jim
 

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kartracer55 said:
Krooser you hit the nail on the head. I dont buy chinese sh*t out of PRINCIPAL! some of the things china has said is downright scary, and way to many people dont bother to educate themselves on the situation with china. So to everybody, go ahead and ignore what we say, youll see what we mean in 10 years when the official lanuage of the peoples republik of the amewica is chinese.

Jim

And the US will be all comunists
 

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Yeah... but before I continue on my anti-china rant I need to make a post in the OT section about the rioting and the worlds breaking point, which happens to be fast approachig IMHO.

Jim
 
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Guess what finally showed up today!
As I had hoped,the lil' ****** is made in Japan,and looks exactly the same as it's 1/2" drive brother,but about 2/3 size and 1/2 the weight.I've got a SB chevy to do the top end on,so it'll get a good break-in real soon.

George :cool:
 

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If its made in Japan it's premium!.......... just made in Japan and that's all.

Name brand and premium quality. Just about anything that was made in Japan with in the last ten years is "world class". My problem with Japan is that some of their original designs are a little screwed. The thing about that impact is that it was originally designed in American. All they have done is improved it to make it cheaper. Sometimes the changes are for the better sometimes they are actually worse than the original 1937 design. I sure you will agree the appearance is flawless!
 
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Finally tried out the little beast today-
Had to do an exhaust on an Izusu truck-from turbo back.The gun has enough torque to twist off 3/8" muffler clamps and enough control to use on 5-6 mm(approx. !/4") hardware.The size of the gun is small enough that it fits in some tight spotsand it's light enough that you can work with it overhead without getting tired.
I'm quite happy with it and wish I bought it years ago.For chassis,light suspension and exhaust work,this is a great gun to have.

George :cool:
 

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Glad your happy with it! How is the balance of it? I mean, what really gripes my ***(haha) is how some impact guns are REALLY unbalanced from front to rear. The snap on 6500something or other is a prime example of this, at least the older one that I use. The gun is really light(relativly) in the back, and so your fighting with your wrist to try to keep the thing pointed straight. Not a big deal when you have 2 hands, but sometimes you need to hold something with one, and thats when you notice it. IR guns are alot more balanced, but still not quite as nice as, say, a dewalt 18v cordless? The CP guns look to have an odd shape to them. What are your thoughts?

Jim
 
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To be honest,it's so light(3 lbs) you don't notice the balance.That,and the air hose hanging off it kind of eliminate balance being much of a concern.If there weren't a hose hooked on it,it would be nose heavy though.
Something I want to put on this gun is a high quality swivel connector-will make gun much easier to use in tight spots-Anybody know a good brand?

George :cool:
 

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Yeah, I know what you mean. The hose gets to be a PITA, no matter how flexible they claim it is. Usually its the male end of the coupler that swivels, which means ya gotta buy a bunch. Milton makes them and they are made in USA, like most milton stuff is.

3lbs? thats awesome. The thundergun has a titanium hammercase and it still weighs like 5... all aluminum body I assume? What sort of clutch is in it?

Jim
 
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I believe the clutch/hammer mechanism is dual hammer/oil filled-same as my old (27 years) CP 1/2" gun-gotta stick with something that lasts that long.

George :cool:
 

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Hey, if it works! The IR I have is a dual hammer as well, but its filled with grease instead. Its sort of a PITA because a very little bit of grease works its way out of the hammer when your using it, I mean, its nothing major... Ill rotate tires and ill notice just a little bit "oozing" out.

I have been eyeballing a 3/8 impact, Who knows, I might go with cp! I def. need the grinder first though.

Jim
 
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