Child proof outlets - Possible to disable??

[PoorOwner]

When I got one of those outdoor receptacle kit. I had a hard time with it

Seems to have broken in now.

 

[Radix2]

I guess I've lived an uncommon life.

It's nothing like a garage pit... 220 Volt outlets are indeed addressed.

If the TR is truly a safety requirement the NEC should require a tamper proof cover for the 220 Volt exposed outlets thus all outlets are TR..... or require them nowhere.

It's just plain stupid the way NEC addresses this now. They are consistent in their inconsistencies.

Here's my TR GFCI 20 amp 110 Volt duplex outlet and the wide open non GFCI 50 amp 220 Volt welder outlet... literal within inches of each other.

Other than saying a government regulation requires it, how can any sane person say this is logical?

Lake - was your electrical inspected? No way should that unprotected yellow Romex running across your girt "shelf" be considered protected such that it is acceptable.

Heck, you are setting equipment right on it...

I'm not a stickler and think vertical runs in stud spaces of unfinished places should be ok, but running across working surfaces goes too far imo.

 

[lakeroadster]

Lake - was your electrical inspected? No way should that unprotected yellow Romex running across your girt "shelf" be considered protected such that it is acceptable.

Heck, you are setting equipment right on it...

I'm not a stickler and think vertical runs in stud spaces of unfinished places should be ok, but running across working surfaces goes too far imo.

Yep.. passed inspection.

It's not really a work surface, it's the girt for the wainscotting, but your point is valid.

Next time I'm in the shop I'll run a 1 x 6 above it to set my radio on. Being right inside the man door.. it's a convenient spot.

Thanks for your concern.

 

[reader2580]

I bought the “premium” Leviton TR receptacles from Home Depot. They cost $1.19 I recall. I put them everywhere in my house. I have had no issues plugging anything in.

HD still sells plain old receptacles too. Some replace everything after inspection.

 

[woodzy]

I built a house and all of them are TR- My son is an electrician and when he installs them he uses his outlet tester and plugs in a dozen times it that usually make them work better. He does this so the customer doesn't have to fight it. If you have older plugs and one prong is longer - it will not work - either replace the outlet or get a new plug.

The first one I used about 6 years ago was a GFI and you couldn't plug anything into it so it went back to the store. The newer ones are tolerable.

 

[Norcal]

Where I install TR receptacles, have been using a Hubbell device that has been pretty good the standard residential grade TR receptacles are garbage & certainly are not very user friendly. Tract homes are going to get low end devices.

 

[Radix2]

Yep.. passed inspection.

It's not really a work surface, it's the girt for the wainscotting, but your point is valid.

Next time I'm in the shop I'll run a 1 x 6 above it to set my radio on. Being right inside the man door.. it's a convenient spot.

Thanks for your concern.

You know how it is John... if it ain't moving, EVERY horizontal surface is...a work surface... sooner or later.

just dado a groove in your board and install on top..?

 

[lakeroadster]

You know how it is John... if it ain't moving, EVERY horizontal surface is...a work surface... sooner or later.

Well said.

Original intent was to insulate the walls and add steel sheathing, inside. But the weather here is pretty awesome... what I've learned is the solar advantage of the sun shining on this south facing wall external steel is advantageous in cooler months.

....just dado a groove in your board and install on top..?

Sage advice sir. So it shall be done. Grandpa Henry's RAS will be glad to help make this happen.

Thanks

 

[Radix2]

Well said.

Original intent was to insulate the walls and add steel sheathing, inside. But the weather here is pretty awesome... what I've learned is the solar advantage of the sun shining on this south facing wall external steel is advantageous in cooler months.



Sage advice sir. So it shall be done. Grandpa Henry's RAS will be glad to help make this happen.

Thanks

Hey - while you are at it - why not make that board a couple inches wider ?

Luxury!

what altitude are you at ? I was thinking it would be colder than it seems to be there. Some kind of valley effect ?

 

[Negen]

This is a first world problem. In Vietnam we walk on live power lines and do not cut power when adding to a new building. Bare live 220v runs down the walls to a bread board. This safety stuff in USA and Canada is amazing. But maybe because our building are made of bricks and not wood.

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[lakeroadster]

Hey - while you are at it - why not make that board a couple inches wider ?

Luxury!

what altitude are you at ? I was thinking it would be colder than it seems to be there. Some kind of valley effect ?

8,000 feet

Some folks call it a banana belt climate.

We live about 5 miles east of the continental divide. Storms come from the west, they dump on the western slope of the mountains and once they come over the divide their energy has been zapped.

The result is an arid climate here, we have cactus and yuca plants, and no grass to mow. Over 300 days of sun each year.

Edit... cleaning up loose ends... here's the shelf modification...

 

[Diesel Dan]

If you buy the cheapest outlets, the TR part needs to "break in" before they work acceptably. The more expensive ones work smoothly right out of the box. Since I'm only installing them 1-2 at a time, I have no problem with the few extra bucks.

Bought a $8 TR/WR outlet and it is more of a PITA than the <$1 TR I bought to make the inspector happy. Plan on replacing the high usage outlets with commercial grade receptacles.

Growing up in the country it was common to see open 220V welder/dryer plugs in basements and garages.