Choosing a decent wall paint at Home depot

[branimal]

I have a 20% off paint deal at HD. I need to pick up about 15 gallons of paint to spray.

The walls are brand new drywall to which I applied primer. HD has a brand called PPG Diamond which is a paint and primer combo. About $100/ 5gallon. ($80 after coupon). I've used it before and I'm happy with the performance.

Is there any reason to NOT paint my walls with a paint that has primer in it?

Also do you guys suggest flat/matte or eggshell for the walls?

My other option at HD is is Behr. I'm not a big fan of Behr paint. I've used Behr ceiling paint and really don't like it.

 

[Sherk]

How flat and smooth are your walls? The shinier you get, the more imperfections show.

Personally I do eggshell in most rooms, but semi gloss in bathrooms and kitchen with mildewcide mixed in. It's easier to wipe down.

 

[Shootinok]

Flat paint is not as cleanable as one with a slight sheen but will hide imperfections better.

We use eggshell on walls, flat only for ceilings.
Have had very good results with the Behr marquee paint on interior surfaces.

 

[branimal]

The walls are flat and smooth. I'm leaning toward the eggshell for durability and wash-ability. Though PPG claims their flat's are washable.

The Living room gets a decent amount of light. Unobstructed eastern view. Wondering if the eggshell will make the walls look shiny.

 

[derek_m]

I use flat for walls, eggshell for ceilings and high gloss for trim.

 

[roscoe2000]

During my last complete painting, I went will semi-gloss white. Using the standard white base....I have been able to touch up after removing wall cabinets with no noticeable variations of paint.

 

[strutaeng]

I have a 20% off paint deal at HD. I need to pick up about 15 gallons of paint to spray.

The walls are brand new drywall to which I applied primer. HD has a brand called PPG Diamond which is a paint and primer combo. About $100/ 5gallon. ($80 after coupon). I've used it before and I'm happy with the performance.

Is there any reason to NOT paint my walls with a paint that has primer in it?

Also do you guys suggest flat/matte or eggshell for the walls?

My other option at HD is is Behr. I'm not a big fan of Behr paint. I've used Behr ceiling paint and really don't like it.

Are you painting all of that drywall you installed a few months ago? Yeah, stay away from flat on walls. The only place to use flat is on ceilings. Eggshell is minimum on walls. I prefer satin for a bit more durability.

I just painted mine and used Valspar Signature SG, but only because I had to match existing. The paint you listed was my preferred option though.

The paint+primer is marketing hype. The technical term is self-sealing. So yes, you can use on bare drywall, but I would not recommend it. Depending on color, you may need up to 3 coats. I would use inexpensive PVA primer and 2 topcoats.

The technical data sheets say to use 2 coats (1st coat acts as primer,) but that's pretty dumb with much less expensive dedicated primers out there.

If you spray, make sure you backroll.

 

[kaehlin]

Biggest painting mistake I've made was to use flat for walls. Looks dirty and gets banged up pretty easily. If it's a zero-traffic area or you don't care about long-term, it could be ok I guess.
No specific recommendation on the HD paint, but I hate painting. I try to do it as little as possible and make it last as long as possible. For me, 20% off would be worth it only if I saw consistent great reviews that made me think it's also the best paint available.

 

[macperspectives]

We always use Exterior Satin - exterior is better paint and you don't want flat

 

[Slednut]

I like semi gloss in the shop, need all the light I can get and it's easy to clean. In the house I always use egg shell, it's not too bright and is washable.

 

[Jagmandave]

I'm planning my shop out right now, any reason not to use gloss paint on ceilings and walls in it, other than cost? Seems to me the extra light reflectivity would be a bonus and it would be easier to clean as well?

 

[yeldogt]

We always use Exterior Satin - exterior is better paint and you don't want flat

Who says that ?

Exterior paint has caulking and UV chemicals -- I would never use inside.

Exterior paint is not "better"

 

[ZRX61]

If you use Behr, you help the owner of the company keep his P38, P47 & P51 flying

 

[yeldogt]

I never use paint/ primer combinations ..... but I don't see any issue with using it over an existing primer.

I'm assuming this is for your project? -- house and rental.

Painting is all about prep .... if the walls are properly prepared almost anything looks OK.

For a home both Flat and Matt paints can be durable -- it's all about quality. There are so many sheens today .... with less expensive paints there is need to bump up the sheen. Matt is very popular today .... it's used all the time in the high end world. Farrow and Ball sort of created the trend ....

My last project used MB -- 508 for the ceiling (it's dead flat) almost a semi for the crown and Aura egg for the walls. My current will be Matt for the walls and the new sheen under semi for the trim. same dead flat for ceilings .... cathedral often need a Matt

For my rentals -- I use the BM Regal eggshell everywhere ...

 

[matt_i]

If you want a decent paint I wouldn't start at Home Depot.

After experiencing what they have to offer earlier in life, I try to shop elsewhere, at paint specific stores.

 

[Bretny]

I recently (8yrs ago) renovated my house. I didn't leave a square inch of drywall. I primed with kilz 123 then used bear ultra premium. If your good you could get good coverage with one coat, I did two. Very durriable paint but not cheap at $35 a gallon. Wait for memorial day if you can they run a $5off per gal sale.

 

[LS6 Tommy]

If you use Behr, you help the owner of the company keep his P38, P47 & P51 flying

You also end up using some of the shittiest paint on the planet. It's amazing how rich people can get selling garbage.

Tommy

 

[Showkey]

Who says that ?

Exterior paint has caulking and UV chemicals -- I would never use inside.

Exterior paint is not "better"

X10 ^^^^^ exterior on the interior surfaces make no sense.

After I retired and moved to our forever home ( that needed paint) I lost my painting privileges..........my wife’s painter only uses Sherwin Williams.

Google paint rating ........you get a wide variety of opinions even in respected publications.

 

[yeldogt]

X10 ^^^^^ exterior on the interior surfaces make no sense.

After I retired and moved to our forever home ( that needed paint) I lost my painting privileges..........my wife’s painter only uses Sherwin Williams.

Google paint rating ........you get a wide variety of opinions even in respected publications.

Agree on the various opinions. IMO .. SW is not up to California and Ben Moore. It's become a bit mass market. But, I'm splitting hairs.

I'm used to painting with BM .. so .. I'm good at using it. When I moved back to my place in NJ after a fire in PA -- I had all the original SW paint in the basement that the painter I hired years ago used. Not wanting to repaint everything -- I used the SW with great results after a learning curve.

 

[GTFiero]

Sherwin Williams matte is a real nice finish for a great room. For the shop I would use semi-gloss. Always buy the high end offerings, less spatter, easy clean up, less roller lines. Etc..

I have pretty much given up on HD and Lowes offerings. Only buy SW and Pittsburg from their stores. With always posted discounts both stores offerings are the same price as HD and Lowe’s.

 

[3onthetree]

Well usually someone gets hammered pretty hard for using paint from HD, everyone's being fairly nice.

Is there any reason to NOT paint my walls with a paint that has primer in it?

Yes, you already primed them so why pay more for 90% marketing 10% ingredients. I had to use their Premium Plus once and found no distinct advantage to it. And recently a birdie there said all of Behr labels will change to "one coat paint + primer" even the low end ones.

Rentals = minimum eggshell on walls. I have actually moved to satin recently.

 

[Miss the Pontiacs]

My wife used Behr in the master bedroom. She supposedly had primer added. It was to be applied over a flat light yellow. It was a disaster, 3 applications needed for poor coverage. Now it is peeling near a standing light as if it were some kind of plastic.
Mind you she did it herself, I thought that was pretty good.

 

[CGT80]

Behr paint is good, I have used thousands of gallons of it, but have not used the marque. Behr Ultra is nice, but premium plus is fine over sound water based paint or primer.


Someone mentioned kilz 123, but I have never heard of a 123 by kills. 123 is a primer by Zinsser. Zinsser primers are the best I have used. Coverstain was my favorite..........even before they came out with the waterbased version. BIN primer is great for smoke damage but I hate spraying that stuff.


The paint and primer combo is a joke. The ultra did work well on weathered exterior wood, without a dedicated primer, when it first came out, but on later jobs and my house, it sucked. I always use a zinsser primer first if one is needed. The primer is not added to paint at the store.........the combo paints are formulated to bond like a primer but it isn't nearly as good as a dedicated primer.


Different colors require different bases. Some of the darker colors in the past used a clear base. Coverage sucked.


Paint is all about prep, and then it is about applying it correctly. Most people use too little, especially when rolling. The roller should never be dry or require a lot of pressure. 2 coats is always necessary for a very good job. Sometimes a single coat can look half decent, but I am a perfectionist and could always see the thin areas from a single coat. The film just does not build thick enough to not leave somewhat transparent dots (usually an 1/8" or so in size and noticeable when you look closely).


Ceiling paint is ****, and I won't use it on ceilings let alone walls.


Over the years, I have used many of the brands of paint available in SoCal, but none were significantly better for application or looks than Behr. Having to track down a paint store and deal with their hours is a major pain and when I went into commercial work, I was at Home Depot all of the time anyway and the late hours were great. Painters will find products they like and get used to a few and stick to them. Other brands in the past were quite thick and I always had to thin them for cutting in. Over the last 15 years, that was rarely needed with Behr, so it made it much nicer. I always have to thin a little for spraying......airless or conventional binks guns, weather it be water, oil, or lacquer.

 

[yeldogt]

Most people never read what's in the can -- don't understand the different terms. It's paint ... Even Professionals. Actually, many professionals are stuck to products that they should not be. Universal primers being the biggest problem

I'm going through this on my current project. I decided to use Boral for the large flat corner boards and soffit details after my builder showed me some. The windows are mahogany with a factory "first coat" and the trim was custom made mahogany with a primer from the maker. Inside --all the trim is poplar w/ maker applied primer. Getting large flat stock in mahogany was expensive and w/ no detail on the parts to speak of the Boral was actually a better product to use. But, I wanted it all to match ...

I took samples of the material and tried 5 different primers -- and top coated everything. The results did not suprise me .. all different. What did suprise me was when I went to a project my builder was doing -- huge house with lots of Boral ... the painters were complaining about coverage and the builder was bitching about extra cost to the painter.

They had to put on three coats of trim paint (it was BM Moorglo -- good paint) -- and it still looked bad. Boral comes pre-primed. They top coated the primer w/ trim paint. On my sample I primed the primer w/ tinted oil primer and top coated. My one coat of top looked better than three they did .... now I did end up putting a second top. So we each did three coats -- mine looked fantastic.

Same with the windows -- when I painted the primer over the "first coat" -- only the oil primer and "glidden gripper" stuck .. they all eventually held .. but who can wait 6 weeks.

Inside -- I painted the oil primer .... the proper primer for the paint .. and two top coats.

Now. No one is going to do this for a rental -- most will not for a general project. This is my house . All I'm saying is that .. it's not all the same. And -- even someone who knows nothing about paint can tell the difference.

 

[LS6 Tommy]

I recently (8yrs ago) renovated my house. I didn't leave a square inch of drywall. I primed with kilz 123 then used bear ultra premium. If your good you could get good coverage with one coat, I did two. Very durriable paint but not cheap at $35 a gallon. Wait for memorial day if you can they run a $5off per gal sale.

$35/gallon IS cheap...

Tommy

 

[Dumber than lumber]

If you want a decent paint I wouldn't start at Home Depot.

After experiencing what they have to offer earlier in life, I try to shop elsewhere, at paint specific stores.

^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^
It is sort of like - if you want it to last buy good stuff. And they don't have "good stuff" as far as paint goes. (same is true for lumber, but that is a different topic).
I would go with Sherwin Williams or Benjamin Moore.
my $.02 worth

 

[thammel]

I primed everything first, even though I used Behr paint that says it has a primer in it. Flat ceiling paint and semi gloss for the walls in a garage. I went with white ceiling paint and their swiss coffee off-white (comes ready mixed off the shelf) semi gloss for the walls. Looks great. I used the Zinnser Bulls-eye 123 primer. Worked out well.

 

[yeldogt]

Primer is first for adhesion ... then sealing and finally for surface uniformity.

There are also additives you can get that makes paint "sticky". Additives make paint thick -- and thick is not always good unless it's pigment.

Paint/primer is thicker and often does not level as well.

The better the surface -- the more you can tell the difference between products.

Zinnser makes great sealers ... but, they dry very hard and the top cost will orange peel depending on quality .....

Nothing is universal

 

[The Cobbler]

I use flat for walls, eggshell for ceilings and high gloss for trim.

are you sure about that?