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Toolhorder

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I worked on a used car over the past week (2010 Dodge Caliber SXT) and it needed a transmission pan gasket as part of the reconditioning process before it was put out front for sale. I asked my parts guys to ask the dodge parts guys for the specific fluid and amount since I had no clue and the car had a CVT ******.
I R&R'd the transmission pan gasket pretty easily and got about 6 qts. CVT4 fluid so I poured it on in.
Went to look for dipstick and could not find one. Checked AllData and found out had to have a "special" tool to check it. WTF?
Luckily the Dodge dealer is next door and I know a guy. Borrowed the tool and found out the level was acceptable.

Now looking for the dipstick so I never have to waste that much time again.
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Our '06 Charger is the same way -no dipstick. Guess they want to keep the car coming in to the dealer for service, intend them to rarely need service, or just want to keep everyone else out of them. I think they make add-on kits. Least I've seen talk of them on the charger forums.
 

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I saw the tool in one of the tool truck flyers recently, I think it was either matco or cornwell, although any should be able to get it as iirc it was an OTC tool.
 

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I saw the tool in one of the tool truck flyers recently, I think it was either matco or cornwell, although any should be able to get it as iirc it was an OTC tool.

I know they were in our Cornwell flyers a couple months back.
 

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actually. new transmissions such as the nag1 are very sensitive to the fluid level. when checking fluid level you also have to know the temperature of the ****** in order to obtain the correct reading on the stick. instead of people incorectly filling the transmission and ruining it, dodge has decided to omit the dipstick so quilified techs, who actually know the correct procedure, would be handling it. pretty much any dodge dealership will check you fluid level for free.
 

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As always Im the odd man out..... I support something like this TO A DEGREE. Im tired of guys having the "I can play hero and fix this" attitude. I recently had a friend of mine with a 4th gen 6 cylinder Firebird that he wanted to change spark plugs in. He had NO CLUE what he was getting involved with. Like a good friend I helped him out. BTW.. even if he could change the plugs out himself it turned out it needed a coil pack. Fortunately I had a used one in my garage. We've all had guys drain trans fluid out of their trans when they are thinking they've draining their oil. Then of course you get a call at the place YOU work at and hear the sob story of "I worked on cars for years and years but I screwed up and now I need help." If I claimed to work on cars for years and years I wouldnt admit a **** up like that. Years ago I had a Mercedes come in for service... fortunately when I popped the hood and looked for the dip stick I didnt find one. Had my boss make a call to find out that the car didnt come with a dipstick. My bosses attitude was "I know everything... I WILL help this person." Yeah.. he will help this person by having me do all the work. Real nice...

I know.. I know.. Im mean.. Im an *******... but please do your research before you want to play hero. When I worked for Toyota I saw a GOOD percetage of cars with cartridge oil filters. Gasp! That means you need a special tool to change the filter.... I had one customer at Toyota that screwed up an oil change on his car (I dont know how) and SOMEHOW he got my dealership to change the engine under warranty!

I just started working at a Mercedes dealer... I'll have to ask the techs about which cars DON'T come with a dipstick.

Rant over...
 

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On ebay there are dipsticks for 30$ and under. My tool truck wanted me to spend 85$ on the OTC one but I didn't see the point as I've only used it on my personal vehicle.
 

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Those special dipsticks were also designed to not be permanent as well.
 

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you can use a long zip tie to just touch the bottom of the pan, then measure your fluid, BUT, you have to have a scanner capable of reading transmission temp in order to get the correct level
 

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you can use a long zip tie to just touch the bottom of the pan, then measure your fluid, BUT, you have to have a scanner capable of reading transmission temp in order to get the correct level

pretty good idea and info d rock!
 

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Some of the ZF transmissions are such a complicated pain in the *** to check the level on, you'd think they're playing a joke on us. First get the car up on the lift and loosen the fill plug, which may require taking the exhaust off. But don't take it out or the fluid will pour out. Then hook up the factory diagnostic laptop to monitor the fluid temperature, start the engine, and run it a while...it can't be cold, but it can't be all the way up to operating temp either! (Why the hell didn't they just spec it for operating temp??) Then raise it on the lift and wait until the very moment that it hits the right temperature, spin the plug out, and if it doesn't drip fluid, quickly start pumping it in until it drips out, before the transmission gets up to operating temperature. If you're too slow, you have to put the plug back in, lower the car, and shut it off, then let it sit until it's cooled down and you can start the game all over again.

What idiot came up with this?
 

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Some of the ZF transmissions are such a complicated pain in the *** to check the level on, you'd think they're playing a joke on us. First get the car up on the lift and loosen the fill plug, which may require taking the exhaust off. But don't take it out or the fluid will pour out. Then hook up the factory diagnostic laptop to monitor the fluid temperature, start the engine, and run it a while...it can't be cold, but it can't be all the way up to operating temp either! (Why the hell didn't they just spec it for operating temp??) Then raise it on the lift and wait until the very moment that it hits the right temperature, spin the plug out, and if it doesn't drip fluid, quickly start pumping it in until it drips out, before the transmission gets up to operating temperature. If you're too slow, you have to put the plug back in, lower the car, and shut it off, then let it sit until it's cooled down and you can start the game all over again.

What idiot came up with this?

engineer playin a prank on thousands of people all at one? i would sell a car if i had to deal with idiotic **** like this. just sayin.
 

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Some of the ZF transmissions are such a complicated pain in the *** to check the level on, you'd think they're playing a joke on us. First get the car up on the lift and loosen the fill plug, which may require taking the exhaust off. But don't take it out or the fluid will pour out. Then hook up the factory diagnostic laptop to monitor the fluid temperature, start the engine, and run it a while...it can't be cold, but it can't be all the way up to operating temp either! (Why the hell didn't they just spec it for operating temp??) Then raise it on the lift and wait until the very moment that it hits the right temperature, spin the plug out, and if it doesn't drip fluid, quickly start pumping it in until it drips out, before the transmission gets up to operating temperature. If you're too slow, you have to put the plug back in, lower the car, and shut it off, then let it sit until it's cooled down and you can start the game all over again.

What idiot came up with this?



Same one that can't work a third pedal!:bounce:
 

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Sounds like an 01M VW product. "Lifetime maintenance-free trans." Volvo/Aisin Warner transaxles are the same way.
 

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you can use a long zip tie to just touch the bottom of the pan, then measure your fluid, BUT, you have to have a scanner capable of reading transmission temp in order to get the correct level

fords have been this way. but filling was thru the bottom of the pan thru a plug. 1/4 pipe/hose adapter and one can be filled with a suction gun.
trans temp with a scan tool? a temp gun does the same thing on the trans pan.

toyota, vw, gm dodge alot of these have been dip stick-less for a while! on the trans anyway. now im seeing them with no engine oil dipstick....

yes it keep people going to the dealer, and it keeps to it yourselfers from screwing the family car up.
 

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Someone at Chrysler is a dipstick. What a way to save money. Guess what ...if I can't check the fluid, I'm not buying the car. Chrysler/Dodge/Fiat is going the way of the dodo anyway.
 
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The lack of dipstick doesn't really piss me off, as I can accept it being a tool. It's the fact that you can't get the dash readout to give you the ****** temp that made me so mad with my '05 Dodge Magnum. The damn car KNOWS the ****** temp, and should display it once in "diagnostic mode"! It would give you things like oil pressure, oil temp, etc but not trans temp. However, I think the '12 cars will do that now.
 

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Found out about this about 3 months ago on our 08 Nitro. While doing oil change noticed ****** pan seeping. No biggie went down to the dealer and picked up new pan and oil. Got home changed pan and then pulled out dipstick. WTF? just a cap! Googled it and yep need tool to check oil level.BS! Called dealer about checking and told me they would do it for free. But as much as I was disappointed with Dodge I suppose it took 4 years for me even to notice no dipstick.....
 

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engineer playin a prank on thousands of people all at one? i would sell a car if i had to deal with idiotic **** like this. just sayin.
So would I! These are all customer cars, my car has a manual transaxle and my truck has a real transmission dipstick.

Same one that can't work a third pedal!:bounce:
:lol: Yeah probably the guy who gave the green light to build the Jag XKR-S with a torque converter automatic. "Supercar with a torque converter? Sure, why not?"

Sounds like an 01M VW product. "Lifetime maintenance-free trans."
Yeah "lifetime-fill" coolant, trans fluid, and diff fluid are a special brand of stupid.

trans temp with a scan tool? a temp gun does the same thing on the trans pan.
Could be, but these ZF transmissions have finned plastic trans pans. There's likely a significant lag time for the pan to equalize in temperature with the fluid. Never confirmed it myself.
 

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BMWs, Porsches, Jaguars with the 5.0L. It's really, really stupid. Most of the letters in Roundel (BMWCCA magazine) month after month, year after year, are complaints about runflat tires and no dipsticks.


Whew, I'm safe. I avoid that stuff like the plague.
 

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As far as I know the nazi's at mercedes started the non dip stick thing on trans and engines then vw right after on trans's and the other euro trash followed. the ford trans needs a 1/8 pipe to screw in to the pan filler not 1/4. some cars have no dipstick are fairly easy like on GM's you fill trans though a filler hole on top and when it runs out of a level plug put the plug in and drive away.
 

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It is $72.00 from Miller tool company whom makes Chrysler's specialty tools.The Malibu transaxles are easy to check althrough they have no dipstick either,there is a plug you remove with a 7/16 or 11mm socket by the passenger side axle.Transmission fluid comes out when it is full while running.This transmission does not break and does burn up once in a while because no one knows how to check them.
 

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Model T Fords had a some what similar system to check the engine oil. They had 2 plugs in line vertically. When oil ran out of the top hole with the engine off, it was full. If it was down to the bottom hole, it needed oil. Ain't progress wonderful?

KEH
 

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Model T Fords had a some what similar system to check the engine oil. They had 2 plugs in line vertically. When oil ran out of the top hole with the engine off, it was full. If it was down to the bottom hole, it needed oil. Ain't progress wonderful?

KEH

How many miles did the model t's run? Think you could get 200 or 300 thousand out of them? Believe it or not, some things are designed to keep your car on the road longer. Not everything the car companies do is a conspiracy. I've seen so many cars just screwed up by the shadetree mechanic its not funny. the less the average man can do himself the more it will save him in the long run. since they can change plugs and wires in a 78 chevy they think they can do anything. Just not the case anymore guys.
 

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Well, I have my own theory based on my 67 years of experiences. If you take a vehicle back to the dealer for service, after about 20 trips, you'll be forced to purchase a new vehicle. First trip, you take it in for "routine" service and something else gets broken. You take it back for that repair and two more things are either bent, broken or falling off. You see the trend. By about trip 20, it is not economically repairable any more.
 

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Not all dealership technicians are complete screw balls. Sounds more like you are taking it to an incompetent person who is throwing parts at it instead of actually fixing the issue the first time.
 

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Whew, I'm safe. I avoid that stuff like the plague.
That's not a comprehensive list by any means, just the first three off the top of my head.

some cars have no dipstick are fairly easy like on GM's you fill trans though a filler hole on top and when it runs out of a level plug put the plug in and drive away.
That's how the manual transaxle on my 968 works (obviously not going to have a dipstick since the engine is in the front and the transaxle is in the back, so no access from above). It's very easy, actually I prefer it to a dipstick.

How many miles did the model t's run? Think you could get 200 or 300 thousand out of them?
If you think "lifetime fill" coolant and transmission and differential fluid, and 15,000 mile oil changes, will ever get you to 200,000 miles (or anywhere past 100,000 miles, for that matter), you're dreaming.

d_rock said:
Believe it or not, some things are designed to keep your car on the road longer. Not everything the car companies do is a conspiracy.
No conspiracy...just simple economics. The manufacturers need to make sure that the dealership service departments have a steady flow of customers, because the sales departments sure aren't keeping the dealerships afloat (but the manufacturers obviously need to keep the dealerships alive with their sales departments in order to move their product). So there's a big incentive to force customers to the dealership service departments, in spite of ever increasing rates. Hence the cars that are unnecessarily difficult and confusing to work on. They've been making cars with those oil change interval warning lights/messages for years now, but there's always been some combination of buttons that anybody can use to reset them, even if you changed the oil at home. Until now. The Jaguar XJ (with the same 5.0L V8 as the XF and XK) has an oil change interval warning that cannot be reset in any way at all without the factory software. It's not like it's more difficult or complicated to change the oil on this car than any other, hell it's got the exact same engine as the XF and XK and apparently those are safe enough for the "shadetree mechanic" that they have a relatively simple reset sequence using the trip reset button and the foglight button. For now, at least. It's just a scam to force owners to keep coming back to the dealership.

At the same time, some manufacturers (BMW, etc) feel that in order to be competitive, they need to offer free maintenance. Well guess what, when maintenance is free, the cars suddenly magically need less of it. Why is that? Did the manufacturing technology and the lubricant technology just happen to advance by leaps and bounds at exactly the right time? Of course not, the maintenance schedule just transitioned from one that keeps the car running (and coming back into the dealership, at the customer's expense) for as long as possible, to one that just barely keeps the car from blowing up for 60,000 miles, after which point it's off warranty, any repairs due to the poor maintenance are at customer expense, and it's expected that the vehicle will be junked and replaced with a new model. Like I said, simple economics.
 
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BMWs, Porsches, Jaguars with the 5.0L. It's really, really stupid. Most of the letters in Roundel (BMWCCA magazine) month after month, year after year, are complaints about runflat tires and no dipsticks.

Don't forget newer Land Rovers. I think you can check the level on the Navi display.
 
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It's kinda funny because the Dodge tech that let me borrow the dipstick said if it's between 30-40 when it's warmed up you're good to go. I was right in the middle of 30-40 so I shipped it and it was warm. I didn't get out my scan tool although I could have I guess just to make sure. I'm sure it would work for that car (Solus Ultra)
Glad I don't work on Dodge everyday. What a bunch of BS.
 

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my mech has the trans dipstick for my Sprinters. He also keeps the red plastic keeper that breaks off. When he checks the trans oil, he also checks the temp and the resistance as per the factory specs.

Did you know there are 2 dipsticks for the engine? The red dipstick is for non-fleet vans. You change oil, 9.5 quarts approximatly. Run the engine for 15 minutes, shut the engine off for 5 minutes and check the oil level again. The other color is for fleet vans. Put in approx 9.5 quarts of oil and run hte engine 15 minutes. Shut off hte engine and check the oil level. Why MB did not use a single dipstick is beyond me.
 
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