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I sure do and that leads to another one of the questions I have been pondering...
Existing/already planned are the downstairs (read - conditioned space) bathroom, sinks, shower, washer/dryer (for my work clothes/rags), and a microwave just for G.P.
Also planned is the sink out in the shop for shoppy stuff.
Problemo is, do I put another fridge next to the shop sink for beer? Wifey thought this was silly, but she just does not undestand grave matters such as optimum beer fridge placement. She opined that there is already a spare fridge downstairs for food, beer, and stuff... Harumph! "Food and stuff" shall not invade the sanctity of a proper beer fridge I say. What say the unwashed masses of Garage Journal?
PS - she did then redeem herself by suggesting one of those 'Lister' cabinet thingys w/a shop sink built in like that 'Beanerpower' guy w/all the blue stuff on that site (my apologies BMWpower, she is picking up the lingo, Beamer, Bimmers, etc - just had a conversation about the other night in relation to their bikes and cars
)- "just build a keg into it too so it will all match and stuff" she says...
Good woman, mighty good woman...
Existing/already planned are the downstairs (read - conditioned space) bathroom, sinks, shower, washer/dryer (for my work clothes/rags), and a microwave just for G.P.
Also planned is the sink out in the shop for shoppy stuff.
Problemo is, do I put another fridge next to the shop sink for beer? Wifey thought this was silly, but she just does not undestand grave matters such as optimum beer fridge placement. She opined that there is already a spare fridge downstairs for food, beer, and stuff... Harumph! "Food and stuff" shall not invade the sanctity of a proper beer fridge I say. What say the unwashed masses of Garage Journal?
PS - she did then redeem herself by suggesting one of those 'Lister' cabinet thingys w/a shop sink built in like that 'Beanerpower' guy w/all the blue stuff on that site (my apologies BMWpower, she is picking up the lingo, Beamer, Bimmers, etc - just had a conversation about the other night in relation to their bikes and cars
)- "just build a keg into it too so it will all match and stuff" she says...Good woman, mighty good woman...
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A Lista BAR??? With a stainless top, no doubt. Built-in kegerator?
Wow. I think "Beanerpower" would be proud...
I think a dedicated beer fridge is a necessity. Are you planning an opening shindig? I am an hour away....and I can bring a keg...
Wow. I think "Beanerpower" would be proud...
I think a dedicated beer fridge is a necessity. Are you planning an opening shindig? I am an hour away....and I can bring a keg...
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Not really a Lista bar per se, but an adapted one... I got tot looking at BMWpower's setup with his sink and all, got to wondering how i could do the shop sink/fridge/and-or kegerator all in one nice clean cabinet. might get a local metal guy to help me out if it gets too crazy w/Lista.
I thought about a 'soda' machine too w/beer in it...
Definitely will have a garage warming - should be an eclectic crowd
I thought about a 'soda' machine too w/beer in it...
Definitely will have a garage warming - should be an eclectic crowd
I'd definately go Kegerator. I love mine. www.micromatic.com tends to be the best I've found in draft beer equipment and supplies, they also have a lot of educational articles and videos.
Loving this build! keep it up!
Loving this build! keep it up!
AdamMopar
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I just have to say I', like everyon else, am very impressed. I hope to do something very similar someday. At least from a size and living point, maybe not with as an impressive of a design as yours though. Good luck with it. Adam
vwgtivw
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Passmore are those copper gutters? By the way nice garage.
Yup, VW - they are copper. Makes me look ritzier than I really am
Here is the deal, everyone always says - WOW! Copper is EXPENSIVE! This is true, but not necessarily the whole story. The copper was only $4k more for our job vs. galvanized half round. What spurred me to look at copper was after doing the math of what it would cost to have the painter take care of the galvanized gutters once installed - lotsa labor! After figuring the paint + the galvanized, I was only a few bucks away from the copper price. who would have thought?
So, not only did it make financial sense that way, it figure 20 years from now when I do not have to replace them, then I am money ahead. at least that's the plan
Here is the deal, everyone always says - WOW! Copper is EXPENSIVE! This is true, but not necessarily the whole story. The copper was only $4k more for our job vs. galvanized half round. What spurred me to look at copper was after doing the math of what it would cost to have the painter take care of the galvanized gutters once installed - lotsa labor! After figuring the paint + the galvanized, I was only a few bucks away from the copper price. who would have thought?
So, not only did it make financial sense that way, it figure 20 years from now when I do not have to replace them, then I am money ahead. at least that's the plan
fotoflojoe
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Oh... My... God.
Passmore, Your set up is quite simply, the most incredible one I've seen here yet - and man, that's really saying something! I just discovered this thread today and read through all 14 pages. Thinking about it, the thing that struck me most was continuously being amazed every time you posted progress photos.
Damn fine job my friend!
Between the terra cotta roof, the stone work siding, and the "parapet" columns on the deck, I imagine the end result will literally look like a castle.
Castle Passmore!
Have you considered putting in a moat with some 'gators?
-Joe
Passmore, Your set up is quite simply, the most incredible one I've seen here yet - and man, that's really saying something! I just discovered this thread today and read through all 14 pages. Thinking about it, the thing that struck me most was continuously being amazed every time you posted progress photos.
Damn fine job my friend!
Between the terra cotta roof, the stone work siding, and the "parapet" columns on the deck, I imagine the end result will literally look like a castle.
Castle Passmore!
Have you considered putting in a moat with some 'gators?
-Joe
Joe,
Thanks for the compliments, although at this point it is a bit embarassing. I am not much one for attention and this feature garage thing has drawn a bit too much attention for me. I suppose the only eason I posted up in the first place was that folks could learn from my mistakes and like/dislike what I did so they could put their own together much as I did while lurking forever. I am just a fella who likes to do things his won way and that often turns out to be far from the 'best' way
Couple of notes regarding your post. The roof is actually a concrete product, not a terra cotta - the cost difference was pretty stout between the two, so we went with the concrete product as i could not see the value in the terra cotta for our level of build (made perfect sense for a friend of mine's home whose is a real showplace and added to the value). Also, the stone work will likely be put on hold until after the build - a victim of the almighty budget and something very easy to add in future years.
i can only hope it does not look or feel like a castle - at least in my mind, castles are places of intimidation and hardly inviting. We hope this to be a place where friends feel comfortable and stop by often.
Funny you mentioned moats as i considered wrapping the head pond we are putting in all the way around a small piece of our property! My dirt guy said it would be a moat....
Thanks for the kind words and hope you continue to enjoy the build.
Thanks for the compliments, although at this point it is a bit embarassing. I am not much one for attention and this feature garage thing has drawn a bit too much attention for me. I suppose the only eason I posted up in the first place was that folks could learn from my mistakes and like/dislike what I did so they could put their own together much as I did while lurking forever. I am just a fella who likes to do things his won way and that often turns out to be far from the 'best' way
Couple of notes regarding your post. The roof is actually a concrete product, not a terra cotta - the cost difference was pretty stout between the two, so we went with the concrete product as i could not see the value in the terra cotta for our level of build (made perfect sense for a friend of mine's home whose is a real showplace and added to the value). Also, the stone work will likely be put on hold until after the build - a victim of the almighty budget and something very easy to add in future years.
i can only hope it does not look or feel like a castle - at least in my mind, castles are places of intimidation and hardly inviting. We hope this to be a place where friends feel comfortable and stop by often.
Funny you mentioned moats as i considered wrapping the head pond we are putting in all the way around a small piece of our property! My dirt guy said it would be a moat....
Thanks for the kind words and hope you continue to enjoy the build.
bluesman2a
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As I read this, I couldn't help but think two things:
1) He HAS a budget?!?!?
2) Of COURSE he has a budget, and it shall be ALMIGHTY, compared to most normal folks!!!
It's a fantastic build, please keep the details coming!
Blues, this perception is probably one of the ones I am trying to avoid. Certainly there are all different levels of budgets out there and inevitably, there is always one larger than your own. I look at a fella who posted on advrider.com years back and was awed by his.
I think the other thing that is not represented here in the photos and progress is the time it took to get here - perhaps I cannot represent it. The photos in the beginning started about 3 years ago till the point it is at now. It has taken time, work, and organization to get to where it is now. Sure, we have some resources that we are thankful for, but the photos do not tell the whole story. They do not showcase the 5th wheel we have lived in since purchasing the property, they do not show living on property prior to electricity, water, and septic in order to save a few bucks (and until we could afford to install them). The photos only show progress and in the period they have been posted it appears to be progress at a rapid rate due to the compilation of them. far from the reality of it.
I mention these things not as "woe is me" nor "I walked both ways in the snow and uphill", but more to illustrate that most everyone makes sacrifices in order to get where they want to be - no matter where that may be. i wish all our build journals would also dig into the obstacles the build faced, not just the triumphant aspects. I think it would make for a more realistic view on what goes into building.
I think the other thing that is not represented here in the photos and progress is the time it took to get here - perhaps I cannot represent it. The photos in the beginning started about 3 years ago till the point it is at now. It has taken time, work, and organization to get to where it is now. Sure, we have some resources that we are thankful for, but the photos do not tell the whole story. They do not showcase the 5th wheel we have lived in since purchasing the property, they do not show living on property prior to electricity, water, and septic in order to save a few bucks (and until we could afford to install them). The photos only show progress and in the period they have been posted it appears to be progress at a rapid rate due to the compilation of them. far from the reality of it.
I mention these things not as "woe is me" nor "I walked both ways in the snow and uphill", but more to illustrate that most everyone makes sacrifices in order to get where they want to be - no matter where that may be. i wish all our build journals would also dig into the obstacles the build faced, not just the triumphant aspects. I think it would make for a more realistic view on what goes into building.
Very well said. We all face different obstacles in the way of progress. My $20 conundrum may well be somebody else's $2,000 solution.
So be it.
Or it may be vice versa... Their seemingly $2000 conundrum, may have a $20 solution! That is one of the reasons I frequent this board, especially as I build because I realize there many different perspectives and 'ways to skin a cat'.
I seem to recall a situation as of late here on the board where a member was going to install some costly phase reducing electrical equipment when another member suggested another far less costly avenue. Good stuff.
Seems that experience is the real currency here on this board.
bluesman2a
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Pass, please understand, my intent was light-hearted. If I said anything that was offensive, rude, poor taste, or anything other than good fun I apologize sincerely.
While I can appreciate that there are all different levels of budget, I also recognize you as a man with a plan and I can appreciate that. Obviously you didn't make it to this budget level over night.
If somebody were JUST to look at the surface of your build they would see a palatial shop. Look a little deeper and you can see a man that's willing to spend an extra 100 dollars today in order to save $50 a year for the lifetime of the property. I also see man that is planning on the needs of a thriving/working property over a lifetime of work to provide for his family and friends. That kind of planning and devotion I can recognize and commend. Thank you for sharing it with us.
No blues, nothing offensive at all - we are all good! the written word can be a tough medium sometimes...
I hope I did not come off harsh either - not meant to at all...
At the core of it, I am just uncomfortable w/recognition. That plus I really do think it is important for the builds we show here to dig a little deeper to represent the trials and tribulations of it, rather than "whaa lahhh!" done!
I suppose the other issue right now is managing this as well as another project on our property that will contribute to our family for years to come. While we will all be laughing about it in future years as it comes to fruition, it is very, very tight right now. That said, it is hard to think of this place as a no budget build - I wish.
Please no offense was taken. Everything is relative and I can relate to the guy w/a smaller build and a budget straining just the same.
take care blue and toss in some advice if you see something you are wondering about or we could do better. One thing you can count on is honesty from me!
I hope I did not come off harsh either - not meant to at all...
At the core of it, I am just uncomfortable w/recognition. That plus I really do think it is important for the builds we show here to dig a little deeper to represent the trials and tribulations of it, rather than "whaa lahhh!" done!
I suppose the other issue right now is managing this as well as another project on our property that will contribute to our family for years to come. While we will all be laughing about it in future years as it comes to fruition, it is very, very tight right now. That said, it is hard to think of this place as a no budget build - I wish.
Please no offense was taken. Everything is relative and I can relate to the guy w/a smaller build and a budget straining just the same.
take care blue and toss in some advice if you see something you are wondering about or we could do better. One thing you can count on is honesty from me!
fotoflojoe
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Yes, exactly. I agree with all that bluesman2a said. As well, to me, the partial quote above is the crux. Most builds that are chronicled on this site are done by people who are pursuing a hobby, myself included. In addition to and before any hobby aspects, your build has to account for the fact that the structure will have to support your livelihood; the orchard. Also, aren't you planning on some poultry farming as well?
I still think your build is amazing, but in the context of simultaneously planning a business around it, I don't think anyone would say that you're being ostentatious at all.
Once again, damn fine work my friend.
-Joe
Chaz Murray
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looks like the electrical company that did your treching had a trailer that my company built. Murray Trailer
wmonroe
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PASSMORE-What an awesome project you have going. Good luck on the rest and keep posting those pictures.
Will
Will
Passmore,
I am a lurker but your project has prompted me to post.
I love it, I am impressed and appreciative you have taken the time to take photos and document ...... that’s a job in it self.
Awesome project gives me ideas for my dream garage, now you have made it seem closer than I thought it was.
Good luck and enjoy it my friend.... for you and for me
Hybrid
I am a lurker but your project has prompted me to post.
I love it, I am impressed and appreciative you have taken the time to take photos and document ...... that’s a job in it self.
Awesome project gives me ideas for my dream garage, now you have made it seem closer than I thought it was.
Good luck and enjoy it my friend.... for you and for me
Hybrid
looks like the electrical company that did your treching had a trailer that my company built. Murray Trailer
Hey Chaz!..Is **** Miner still there in the shop? I work at www.craneamerica.com and I have been hoping to get into your place and take care of your cranes!!...If your interested email me...
[email protected] I'd appreciate your time!..
Charles (in GA)
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I think anything other than dirt and grass are considered im-permeable, even loose gravel is classified as im-permeable.
I live in GA also, about an hour plus from Duluth, glad I don't have a county with "issues" like this. If I want to pour a driveway, I can just do it. That I know of, don't even need a permit to do a driveway.
Charles
Awesome project gives me ideas for my dream garage, now you have made it seem closer than I thought it was.
Good luck and enjoy it my friend.... for you and for me
Hybrid
I think this is what it is all about on this site - at least it is for me!
BMWpower's Lista setup prompted me to set up meeting with them for my place (ideas spur ideas!). While I will not be able to outfit the place in fell swoop, I will be able to map it and spec it. As the budget allows, I can add piece by piece! I credit BMW w/getting me to check it out.
Very cool site for ideas and another perspective
Thanks for the kind words.
goin70
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Passmore,
Awesome project! I have watched from the sidelines and have enjoyed your build. I plan to move back to Georgia, if I ever sell my house in El Dorado Hills, and build a boat / car workshop at Lake Hartwell. Your project has given me a great deal of ideas and I appreciate you sharing it with the world. I can relate to your comments about the sacrifices endured during the completion of your project. I have been in the same boat before and will be in it again soon. I HOPE! I know the rewards are worth the discomfort. You will enjoy the project even more when it is completed. Have fun! Thanks, Randy
Awesome project! I have watched from the sidelines and have enjoyed your build. I plan to move back to Georgia, if I ever sell my house in El Dorado Hills, and build a boat / car workshop at Lake Hartwell. Your project has given me a great deal of ideas and I appreciate you sharing it with the world. I can relate to your comments about the sacrifices endured during the completion of your project. I have been in the same boat before and will be in it again soon. I HOPE! I know the rewards are worth the discomfort. You will enjoy the project even more when it is completed. Have fun! Thanks, Randy
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yup he is still here......i am not in charge of the cranes...so goin to have to give Norma or **** a call...
sam2145871
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any new updates?
Hiya all,
No real updates of any substance right now - or at least any that are photo worthy. Windows/doors on order and coming it, copper roof vents and sheet metal done and coming in right now, wrapping 'about' to commence, garage doors just figured out, etc, etc, etc...
I am sure others have run into this conundrum... I also have another major project going on at our place that needs supervision and splitting time has the bias going to the other project - build is suffering somewhat. Ahhhh, so is life right?
I will figure a way to post my shop sketches as I am figuring out where I would like to place things.
updates as they come
No real updates of any substance right now - or at least any that are photo worthy. Windows/doors on order and coming it, copper roof vents and sheet metal done and coming in right now, wrapping 'about' to commence, garage doors just figured out, etc, etc, etc...
I am sure others have run into this conundrum... I also have another major project going on at our place that needs supervision and splitting time has the bias going to the other project - build is suffering somewhat. Ahhhh, so is life right?
I will figure a way to post my shop sketches as I am figuring out where I would like to place things.
updates as they come
1991560sec
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YOU, are my hero!
I have all ways told my wife, I want a huge garage with an apartment above, with elevator, for our next house.
You have given me hope!
Thanks,
John P
I have all ways told my wife, I want a huge garage with an apartment above, with elevator, for our next house.
You have given me hope!
Thanks,
John P
sam2145871
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Any new updates!?
Hi Sam,
No 'material' updates right now...
In the spirit of full disclosure in this build, here is where we are right now... I am re-evaluating many of my material choices/level of finish as I remember that this structure (long term) is designed to be the garage/mud room/weight room/office upstairs. It is hard not to get too wrapped up in making something 'the best you can' when instead, we really need to build it to a level consistent w/our overall plan for our place.
What does this mean for the build? Well, I am figuring out where we can go with one thing vs. another and not materially affect the value or the look too much. For instance, the garage doors will no longer be stained wood but a nice stout painted raised panel metal door w/insulation. Still a great door and will look great, but a HUGE savings and more in line w/the structure. We'll save the beautiful stained wood doors for the home when we build it in 10 years or so. Getting a few more things like that in line as well - still a quality build, but just taking it down a notch and saving those things for the future home.
Where we won't skimp is in the shop as that is one of the primary purposes of the structure.
Thanks for checking in!
No 'material' updates right now...
In the spirit of full disclosure in this build, here is where we are right now... I am re-evaluating many of my material choices/level of finish as I remember that this structure (long term) is designed to be the garage/mud room/weight room/office upstairs. It is hard not to get too wrapped up in making something 'the best you can' when instead, we really need to build it to a level consistent w/our overall plan for our place.
What does this mean for the build? Well, I am figuring out where we can go with one thing vs. another and not materially affect the value or the look too much. For instance, the garage doors will no longer be stained wood but a nice stout painted raised panel metal door w/insulation. Still a great door and will look great, but a HUGE savings and more in line w/the structure. We'll save the beautiful stained wood doors for the home when we build it in 10 years or so. Getting a few more things like that in line as well - still a quality build, but just taking it down a notch and saving those things for the future home.
Where we won't skimp is in the shop as that is one of the primary purposes of the structure.
Thanks for checking in!
flyng_fool
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Oh Man!!!!! I finally get my garage just the way I want it, and then I stumble upon this forum. I epoxied the floor, put up lighting, got a nice roll-away tool chest, got some nice cabinets, and then I see your new garage. I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU!!!!! You make me feel like I have a two inch Hoo Ha!
Um, can I be in your will?
Um, can I be in your will?
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Not a whole lot as of late - wrapping up other development at our place...
However, we have managed to get our rough plumbing done, the shop air lines have been roughed in as well.
Slowly but surely Kinda glad I slowed the pace as it has given me more time to stew on a few things I was unsure of.
However, we have managed to get our rough plumbing done, the shop air lines have been roughed in as well.
Slowly but surely
Kinda glad I slowed the pace as it has given me more time to stew on a few things I was unsure of.Will67
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