Strouty
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And this is how you get to 100 posts. Thank you for contributing.
Classifieds Change
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And this is how you get to 100 posts. Thank you for contributing.
well, i didn't quite make the top 100. looks like i am about 126.
i think someone who has not gotten to 100 after years hasn't been a real benefit. an active member should be able to make 100 posts in a short time if he really wants to sell something.
what is the old saying?
"i don't want to be a member of any group that would have me as a member."
i think someone who has not gotten to 100 after years hasn't been a real benefit. an active member should be able to make 100 posts in a short time if he really wants to sell something.
what is the old saying?
"i don't want to be a member of any group that would have me as a member."
gatewaysysop
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Correct on the first part, but not so much on the second. I never said infallible, I said it was implemented because it was supported by the majority. Calling an argument weak doesn't make it so.
Let's agree to disagree and not derail the thread any further, this is getting silly.
OxJaw
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That's the exact reason we have so many laws. There's a problem with the classifieds and instead of addressing the real problem the blame is projected somewhere else and a "feel good" rule is implemented.
I've been buying for years from people on the internet and am yet to be burned. Why? Because I'm smart about it. I've had more trouble from legit businesses than I have had from individuals on the internet.
I've passed up many good looking deals because I didn't want to gift anyone a payment through PayPal.
Sure it ***** that we have scammers but ultimately it falls on the buyer for not using the things that were put in place to PROTECT THEM from such circumstances.
I find it comical that the person that is mainly responsible for this new rule wouldn't have even been weeded out by it. Hell he even made posts that contributed to the forum before the whole scam thing happened.
Caveat Emptor
I thought the 100 post limit was a good idea until this point.
If I may elaborate slightly; as a mod on another entirely unrelated forum, I see the other side and realise how fair /unfair it can be to introduce new rules that affect new-ish members. Over there, we've also had scammers popping up and relieving members of their cash by not shipping goods or multiply-selling them.
The 100-post rule was introduced there, and did work. However, the most scammy of the scammers was a long-term member who went rogue on us and it turned out his whole online/forum persona was fake, apart from a drop address where he could get the cash.
If someone's determined, there's no minor rule going to stop them doing it.
Anyway, my sole objection to the wanted restriction is that I might want to advertise my need for S-O ratchets. A man has needs, you know.
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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Correct on the first part, but not so much on the second. I never said infallible, I said it was implemented because it was supported by the majority. Calling an argument weak doesn't make it so.
Let's agree to disagree and not derail the thread any further, this is getting silly.
And I said just b/c something is supported by the majority does not mean it's a reason to change. I guess it's convenient to get your last point in, then try and be the bigger man and say let's not derail the thread further.
Agreed, let's not.
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Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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No one is saying the 100 post rule is going to prevent all scammers. Or combined with a minimum three month membership (my idea) would do the same. It's just a barrier in the way, that's all.
For those who are complaining so loudly about it...esp. about Alliance members being able to post but not them...how much does it cost you to post an ad here? Oh yeah, right...nothing!
For those who are complaining so loudly about it...esp. about Alliance members being able to post but not them...how much does it cost you to post an ad here? Oh yeah, right...nothing!
K13
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The way I look at it is this site is not eBay/craigslist. It is a site to exchange information and ideas with like minded people and as an added bonus there is a Classified area. If you are not willing to participate in the other aspects of the forum and add something once in a while then why should you be able to benefit from the classifieds section. Ryan didn't start this site for guys to sell **** on he started it for the afore mentioned benefits for like minded people and I am willing to bet the classifieds are a huge pain in the *** to deal with so if you are not willing to add anything useful to this site then it's not the place for you to sell your stuff either.
toolmiser
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I am not making a complaint, but I just looked and I've posted 189 times in less than 5 years. I'm kind of lay in the weeds type of guy. Most of you people are way to knowledgeable for me to get in on your discussions. But I do get a lot out of them. Another thing I must say is that I have never posted to the classifieds, and rarely read them also. I should post more in the classifieds, my garage would be happier.
Richard Cranium
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I support the 100 post rule 100 0/0, in fact I PMed one of the Mods and thanks him for the new rule, it was so upsetting to go to the classified sect. and see a person who joined just to sell some thing, I went back and looked at the number of members with 1 or less post counts there is thousands of them, Thousands of members with out a single post even. Thank you again Mods. we needed the help....Rich
Nick Danger
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I don't understand the reason for a minimum post count for the Wanted section. Have people here been ripped off by fraudulent buyers?
thesilverone
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now when is it going to be a requirement to post pictures in the classified ads?
Buckgnarly
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All this talk of Northcountry, but who remembers Icanfixanything?.....
He marked the end of the glory days for classifieds on here!
He marked the end of the glory days for classifieds on here!
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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All this talk of Northcountry, but who remembers Icanfixanything?.....
He marked the end of the glory days for classifieds on here!
I do. First transaction went smooth. Second one had me wondering when I'd get my stuff. I eventually did, but others weren't so lucky.
We have so many laws because people are so committed to finding all the different types of ways they can screw other people.
This isn't a "feel good" rule. I see it as preseving the original intent of the classifieds.
I don't think it's a panacea. But I also think that anyone here who might be negatively affected by it should just look at the site more like a community and less like a library. It takes very little time to make 100 meaningful posts. Ask questions, share experiences. Everyone has both of those.
In other words, this isn't a big deal.
Buckgnarly
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Funny thing is I had nothing but great transactions with him. Probably about 3 or 4, and every time he threw in extra stuff, really nice odds and ends.
.Come to think of it, I sold a SO breaker bar to Northcountry....took a while until he paid, but he did. Of course I also did not ship nor remove my ad until he paid.
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Outlawmws
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My guess would be exactly what the mods have said: This is about being part of the community. If you aren't participating, why should you reap the benefits of the classifieds? I know forums where you have to PAY to get sellers access to the classifieds. Again, I see no issue either way.
Will it stop all people intent on screwing the membership? Nope. But it's in general less likely from a person known on the board.
I've traded with a number of members, sold to a few, had more than one help me acquire something in their neck of the woods that was not doable for me easily. Never been screwed and haven't screwed anyone myself.
All this griping is in many cases misplaced IMO; and in any case, irrelevant as I don't think anyone is going to change the mods or owner's minds. It's done folks! Let it go & either live with it, or take your business elsewhere...
To me, the idea of this site is to learn from fellow members, help others when possible, and contribute to the general "pool" of knowledge on this site for future questions people may have. Many people on here sell or offer services to fellow GJ'ers for big discounts, that they would never dream of giving some random person off CL or Ebay. It's a bit of a brotherhood (and sisters too!). I've given away stuff to fellow GJ'ers for free, including shipping in hopes to just make their day, and have them pay it forward. I've also been offered things for sale for pennies on the dollar here, compared to what the seller could make on it on Ebay. That's what makes this place great.
I remember recently, a member posted a link to an add on CL of a tool box a guy was selling, and pointing to the same guy, selling the same box here on GJ with only 2-3 (can't remember exactly) posts, and was a new-join. He was asking like $600-700 bucks MORE on GJ than on CL. That's a complete 180 from the spirit of this place. That's not even taking into consideration the scammer type issues. Anyone can scam, whether you have 2 posts or 20,000. But people who have spent the time and become invested in this community are less prone to be the ones that stab fellow members in the back.
The issue does come up with alienating the long-time members that have low post counts. Unfortunately, there really isn't any perfect way to go about this, but I think implementing a minimum post count is one of the better methods of this.
I'm uncertain of what the forum host will allow Ryan (or whoever) to be able to do, but I know of some forums that have a "Rep" system, where people who have done business with fellow members can give them a "Rep" or thumbs up. Even relatively new members with 3-4 reps from known "veteran" members show they have held up to their word a few times already, and it helps speak for their character.
I think if that was a possibility, it'd be a good addition/suppliment to the 100 post rule. "100 posts or 3+ reps" or whatever.
Just a thought. I do support the idea of making it a bit harder for people to just join GJ to post **** for sale, CL and Ebay is right there for that.
I remember recently, a member posted a link to an add on CL of a tool box a guy was selling, and pointing to the same guy, selling the same box here on GJ with only 2-3 (can't remember exactly) posts, and was a new-join. He was asking like $600-700 bucks MORE on GJ than on CL. That's a complete 180 from the spirit of this place. That's not even taking into consideration the scammer type issues. Anyone can scam, whether you have 2 posts or 20,000. But people who have spent the time and become invested in this community are less prone to be the ones that stab fellow members in the back.
The issue does come up with alienating the long-time members that have low post counts. Unfortunately, there really isn't any perfect way to go about this, but I think implementing a minimum post count is one of the better methods of this.
I'm uncertain of what the forum host will allow Ryan (or whoever) to be able to do, but I know of some forums that have a "Rep" system, where people who have done business with fellow members can give them a "Rep" or thumbs up. Even relatively new members with 3-4 reps from known "veteran" members show they have held up to their word a few times already, and it helps speak for their character.
I think if that was a possibility, it'd be a good addition/suppliment to the 100 post rule. "100 posts or 3+ reps" or whatever.
Just a thought. I do support the idea of making it a bit harder for people to just join GJ to post **** for sale, CL and Ebay is right there for that.
Strouty
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exactly!
I would take it a step further.
100 posts AND 3 month account
-OR-
6 month account
Of course the numbers can be played with, but what the time limit does is discourage fake lame posts from new members while requiring less policing from the mods.
The second time frame takes any punishment away from long time members who just lurk vs post
100 posts AND 3 month account
-OR-
6 month account
Of course the numbers can be played with, but what the time limit does is discourage fake lame posts from new members while requiring less policing from the mods.
The second time frame takes any punishment away from long time members who just lurk vs post
dankicksass
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I'd like to see it changed to match what srmofo just said and add to it that if you can't post in classifieds, you shouldn't be able to see them at all. No visibility for non members, no search results for non members, nothing. Other forums I frequent have that setup and it really cuts out the problems.
DWise
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I have been a member for almost 2 years and have sold or traded several items here. I have only listed once in the for sale section, the rest were responses to the wanted section. The new policy is probably a good thing but just a little depressing. Maybe it will make me contribute more to the discussion but I always felt that most discussions were replied to by the more knowledgeable folks and would not benefit from imput from me.
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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I think you underestimate yourself. Just b/c some of us post a lot more doesn't mean we're all that more knowledgeable, if at all.
Some of just are better at slinging it.
6 Months or 100 posts is about average for many of the forums on the internet. I belong to one forum that has specific sections that can't be seen until you have been there for over year and others sites that have a $10 access fee to see the majority of the forums. It helps weed out the internet trolls and those looking to take advantage of others.