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Lelandwelds

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One thing that I have been doing in the shop at work, my garage/shop at home, and now have friends doing it as well.
I build any shelving with expanded metal, it does not capture dust, you can see what’s up on the shelf easier since you can see through the shelf, and rodents can't hide up there.
I even re-built an old Gorilla shelf that had particle board shelves with expanded metal, looks better than wood my opinion.



I like the idea but hate expanded (or expanded and flattened ) metal. I use welded wire fencing, hardware cloth, or perforated sheetmetal. I weld up 1/4 round bar. I used to have a roll of flattened wire like old school dipsticks that I made into bar grates.

Anything but that sharp catches-on-everything expanded metal. Metro shelf is hard to top.
 

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Lelandwelds

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the old phrase 10-gallons of **** in a 5-gallon bucket comes to mine.:lol_hitti But organized and valuable **** I might add.:D

It is funny to hear comments alluding to the idea that it takes so much time to clean a garage that no work gets done. In my garage a lot gets done, and it gets done faster because my garage is neat and I can find everything. Typically I do a good cleaning once a year in spring, then a general clean-up after each project. A general cleaning usually takes one to two hours. Trying to work in a really messy garage means frustration and time spent looking for tools and parts.

I totally agree Jim. I am MUCH more efficient because I can walk right to what I need and not have to look for it or think "what job did I use that on last?" I feel a clean and organized shop aid in Safety, Quality of work and efficiency all three. I used to have customers come into my last shop and wonder if I ever did anything because it was clean. Personally I took that as a compliment.:)

I too clean after every job (and during on some of them) as well as I have at least one, sometimes two 5S events a year going around my entire shop. This last 5S was a bit easier because it took place while moving into the new shop.

Threads like this one really make me step back and question my basic assumptions.

In my youth, I moved every 6 or 12 months so everything was thrown in plastic totes separated by use. Any space could be turned into a workshop in a heartbeat. Later, the wife, kids, house, and job took precedence and my work space suffered. I used my employers space as my own after hours but that meant everything had to be perfect when I went home.

I have worked at three employers with "quality systems" in place. 5S was the last. Cleaning as you go and sweeping up the last 15 minutes of each shift are now deeply ingrained. I think staying on the " neat and tidy" side of the fence is probably one of those "responsible adult" things.


I vote "everything enclosed".
 

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Most of you guys it appears would run away gaging if you came to my garage. Every horizontal space is stacked with stuff. I have to walk sideways between project vehicles, some that haven't moved in years. I usually have 3-6 projects going at any one time, sometimes things are disassembled for years and stacked in any available space as they are cleaned and painted. I have come to the point in life that if I put something behind doors I will never remember where it is so few things are in cabinets. That being said I don't do "dirty work" in the building, no painting, welding, grinding etc. That is all done outside.



My son is the opposite, his garage is nothing but clean surfaces, everything is kept out of site. Of course this restricts his capacity for projects and tools. Guess who he comes to when he needs the tools or materials that he doesn't have the cabinet space for. He even buys tools for a project then sells them when he is done. I on the other hand can't come to grips with discarding the 3" long cut off of angle iron, yes I eventually find a use for it.



Yup this is me lol I want to get a cleaner shop and love the shiny ones but ya when I start something I go at it till I’m beat and I don’t wanna sweep a floor after that. I’ve got a stack of little metal cutoffs I can seem to throw away lol
 

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I try to keep the garage reasonably clean and neat, but I don't crazy about it. It is a garage/shop, not the kitchen or dining room at a fine restaurant. I tend to think some people get carried away with garage neatness. But, if that is what they want to do, it is OK by me. It isn't something I would do, but if it makes them happy, I am all for it.
 

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I spent two years in Tech School and a third of My Life in Dealership Shops. In the better organized Shops; work areas were kept clean for appearance and safety reasons. Tools and equipment were put back after use. These better organized shops also had tool rooms with racks and shelves for special tools. The floors were pressure washed at least once a week. Every Tech had their own tool box that was locked at the end of the day. The benches were cleared upon completion of a repair job.. Working in these well organized shops was a joy compared to the """less organized""" ( to be polite) shops where shop supplied special tools were hidden in some old grumps shitcastle tool box that was not capable of being closed and locked. His stuff was just piled into the drawers. Throw things aside, toss them under a bench, or pile it in the corner were three common ways to organize most anything. Floor dry vs a weekly pressure wash.

I favor a cleaner, organized shop.

My main shop is 28' X 56'. I built it with two tool rooms: one is 10' X 10', and holds 3 welders, a sandblaster, table saw, and a folding miter saw. The second room currently holds three large file cabinets, two sets of top and bottom tool chests dedicated to new bolt and small parts storage, a large battery charger, and carry type bool boxes holding special tools and equipment. The loft above these rooms is 10' X 26', and is used for lumber, building supplies, and new lengths of steel.

The downstairs is divided into four rooms. The small woodworking shop is 12' X 28' and holds allot of equipment, but fortunately has a storage room that is 9' X 14', which has shelf units the length of one wall. There is also a valve grinder, a folding cherry picker, a 36" 27 drawer parts cabinet, cases of oil, and portable tool boxes in that storage room. The workshop (playshop) for the toy trains is 12' X 20'. The 12' X 22' utility room houses two large air compressors, in addition to more storage shelves.

The 24' X 30' pole shed for tractors has the only workbench that is permanently fastened to a wall. There is a wall rack for tools above the bench, and a small shelf to hold a drill, a small 120 volt heater, and a battery charger. A portable air compressor sits next to the bench, and the shelf under the bench holds jugs of oil, anti freeze, a couple jacks and blocking, and chains. This shed also holds 28 wall mounted lockers and a 12' bench which are used to store old tractor and auto parts, relics, and bicycle parts. Six mountain bikes hang from the rafters. This shed tends to hold the extra cobble stuff, but there WILL be parking room kept for the tractors and Bobcat. If a simple repair or adjustment is needed on this equipment, that humble rack of tools comes in handy. I wired this shed with a sub-panel and 240 Volt outlet, so the options for larger projects exist..

I built a 12' X 14' shed for lawn and garden equipment, and fuel can storage back in 1976. This shed has a sub-panel, lights, and outlets, but other than hooking up a battery maintainer or minor maintenance, little it done in there..

With over 3600 square feet available; I claim 1200 or less for actual Work space..:shocking:

If I want to STORE (park) a vehicle and tractor in the heated shop during cold weather, it will be blocking the WORK area unless it is moved out of the way. So here I sit in violation of one of My Prized Rules: There will be a dedicated Work Area and an assigned Storage Room..

But it gets worse.. Those 12 ton/pair jack stands will not fit in the large lovely file cabinets, That prized 6000 pound capacity cherry picker looks like a mother hen with smaller equipment parked under it, the 40 ton hydraulic press is still within sight, My ladders and parts washer are still in view. That eleven foot bench on rollers is holding enough hydraulic jacks and port-a-powers to lift a six axle locomotive.

I have to make this stuff disappear so I can tile the floor.. Come to think of it,, ??
Would a loaded semi trailer ruin the tiles when I dolly it down... I have to do some welding, so I hope the tile can handle that.. Those Road-Ranger transmissions can weigh in around 900 pounds, so those steel casters on the transmission jack will have to float on the tile. Opps, I left the tire chains on the tractor again.

It is good the equipment is on casters; as the stuff parked by the north wall will have to be moved when the basketball backboard and hoop go up.:bounce:

There is one thing I really enjoy doing . I will walk in with a hot cup of coffee, sit down on a folding chair in the middle of of the Shop; and enjoy the view.
It is definitely not a work of Art.. Art did not build My shop; I did.
 
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JoeAverager

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As much as I enjoy the visuals of a fancy floor I doubt any of them would put up with the steel casters on the trolley jack, the cherry pickers, or the jack stands so I'll stick with plain concrete.

I need to get out in my shop. 24x24 with tools and benches around the perimeter and space for one currently unmovable vehicle. Its like working in a yacht where everything has its own place and that works as long as everything is put away - which it isn't this week. ;)

Really anxious to move forward with plans to build a detached garage. The local guys are so busy than none seem to have time for a small potatoes project like mine so I can't even get estimates. Guess I'll do more than I had planned which is fine b/c more $ will stay in my pockets.

With the new building, no new stuff, everything will easily have its own place.
 

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My shop was used when I bought it so an already greasy floor made it a bit easier to live with when it gets dirty. I clean the floor all the time with a push broom/leaf blower but I don't sweat stains. My tools otoh I keep spotless.

Sawdust can be a hazard. Plus it gets everywhere so I built a rolling work table out of a heavy 4x8 pallet I scored at work. I keep my lumber and tools on a shelf under the table and roll it outside (or close to the doors if it's raining) to do any cutting/sanding. Then I hit it with the leaf blower when I'm done.
 

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I've had two workspaces, one being a basement one-car garage and the second being a walk-out basement. The first was small enough that if I didn't keep it clean and organized, I would never get anything done. I had old kitchen cabinets for supplies, pegboard for tools, and machines all on casters or mobile bases.

The second, my current space until spring, was never intended to be a permanent shop, so I still have all machines on casters, a pair of old sawhorses with plywood on them for a workbench, and all tool storage is on open shelves, in totes, or in a tool chest.

In both shops, the most-used tool has always been a vacuum. I can get somewhat messy when I work, and depending on the level of mess, I will clean up tools and sawdust partway through a project or at each stage of the project.

The third shop is my work in progress, my 36 x 24 2-story garage. I haven't completed construction yet, and I have been collecting ideas for a few years now as to how I want it organized. I am leaning heavily toward a french cleat system for most of my woodworking tools, keeping mechanic's tools in my tool chest, and still keeping most all machinery mobile. Dust collection is a very high priority, as I seem to be getting more sensitive to dust as I get older.

I still like using plastic totes for stuff that only gets dragged out on occasion, such as plumbing and electrical supplies, paint rollers, sanding belts, etc. They get labeled and put on a high shelf.
 
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red94chev

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One thing that I have been doing in the shop at work, my garage/shop at home, and now have friends doing it as well.
I build any shelving with expanded metal, it does not capture dust, you can see what’s up on the shelf easier since you can see through the shelf, and rodents can't hide up there.
I even re-built an old Gorilla shelf that had particle board shelves with expanded metal, looks better than wood my opinion.

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I really like this idea! Thanks for posting, I think I may use that.
 

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I spent 3 hours cleaning the grinding, welding and paint dust off of all my counters and items that were on them. I am considering making my workspace fully enclosable so I can minimize the mess when working on dirty projects.
 
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