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Please imagine me scurrying about your shop mumbling little awe filled words like "Cool" and "Nice" or even "Wow"! You just need to stand there with your hands on your hips and a big *** grin. Be proud and revel in it for a while...then run me off or put me to work or I will wander around trying to adopt ****!

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Please imagine me scurrying about your shop mumbling little awe filled words like "Cool" and "Nice" or even "Wow"! You just need to stand there with your hands on your hips and a big *** grin. Be proud and revel in it for a while...then run me off or put me to work or I will wander around trying to adopt ****!

Bruce

You really need to come visit!:thumbup:

Most people who tour my shop are interested in one or two things I have and pretty much ignore everything else. It's kind of fun to have people show up who have multiple interests :) The machine I like best is my circular sock knitting machine. It's really neat.

If I just had a little more space I could make a place for everything and then I could get my shop cleaned up!

Thanks for your kind words!:beer:
 
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Andy, I can see why you are pleased, that is awesome even from here.

Regards

Thank you Mr. 1/2 Cup. A plan coming together, and looking just like you had imagined is a great thing. I've been trying to get contractors done so I can get to work and get things finished up. And that's just the beginning: my intention is to go room to room and clean and fix up each room, leaving it with what belongs there with a spot for each of those items. I have one more broom show the 15th, and a cookout and hay ride for old work associates the 22nd, then it's full speed ahead:willy_nil Oh, and I've got to get Bob back together. I think I've found a head. And feed cows. And do some living stuff but mostly QST!
 

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You really need to come visit![emoji106]

Most people who tour my shop are interested in one or two things I have and pretty much ignore everything else. It's kind of fun to have people show up who have multiple interests :) The machine I like best is my circular sock knitting machine. It's really neat.

Jeez. Where did you come up with that?
I don't know about favorite but it is sure a curiosity and I love all things mechanical and quite a few that are more esoteric.

Wonders off shaking head in awe.

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Why did they use 2 different garage springs? One is the roll up torsion spring (best), the other is the spring stretched out. I hope you have a safety cable running thru the middle of the spring in case it breaks.
Nice to get all enclosed in before winter!
 

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I’m flabbergasted… not only do you have lofts but you have one of your lofts filled with red oak too!

Nice spaces and the doors look great. I can see why you see the need to re-organise a bit. Least you are sticking with the plan to use up existing stock in order to clean up shop. Can’t store it forever. Still having almost 3m of infeed and almost 3m of outfeed space around your thicknesser is nothing to complain about. :)
 
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Thank you so very much!:bowdown:

P.S. I corrected your typo:thumbup:

P.P.S. We use the word timber to describe a heavy beam like 4"x6" and larger, and also to describe large trees. I think I've got some fantastic timber so I'll try to go take a few shots of some of my larger trees.

P.P.P.S. I know you were referring to the lumber.

P.P.P.P.S. I just had to P one more time:lol_hitti

P.P.P.P.P.S. Part of being old is the need to P. By the way, I'm thinking about trying out for the Harlem Globetrotters (comedy basketball team), at this age I'm getting pretty good at dribbling, I think I might make the team.

P.P.P.P.P.P.S. We were having peas and carrots for dinner (side dish) when my grandson announced he was going to "eat every carrot and pea on my plate". Made me laugh so hard I had to go.

:lol_hitti The Globetrotters line made me P my pants. I admire your wittiness and being a jack of many trades. Just went through all 33 pages over the past 2 nights, you've made some serious headway in short time :thumbup:
 

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Jeez. Where did you come up with that?
I don't know about favorite but it is sure a curiosity and I love all things mechanical and quite a few that are more esoteric.

Wonders off shaking head in awe.

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There are minds that have an odd curiosity and fascination with complicated mechanical devices. Should you see something that is unknown and confusing will try to understand how it works...or why it doesn't work any more!

Best way is to buy it, allow it to be given to you or think about your last tetanus shot and drag it home!

Then you turn the knobs and throw the levers and figure what that turns and you stomp that so that all 3 spin and that makes that part go "pocketa, pocketa" and that knob chooses between little steps or big steps!

Then a friend tells you he spotted one just like it sitting beside a barn out where he runs his dogs so you check it out. Well it turns out to be a framus scaler and you have a burlap sack snaggler...but just behind it they have 3 Whitley Stump Wumpers, what looks like a steam punk X-Ray machine and a 1952 Cadillac ambulance.

Sometimes a totally useless beautiful machine is a joy!

Bruce
 
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Jeez. Where did you come up with that?
I don't know about favorite but it is sure a curiosity and I love all things mechanical and quite a few that are more esoteric.

Wonders off shaking head in awe.

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Well, my point is that most in person visitors are much different than the "average" GJ frequenter. I see many people who seem to be interested in one thing, the broom machine maybe, but see nothing interesting about the loom, shaving horse, caboose, old cars, etc. I find that to be rather odd because so many of us are interested in "things" and how they work.

Why did they use 2 different garage springs? One is the roll up torsion spring (best), the other is the spring stretched out. I hope you have a safety cable running thru the middle of the spring in case it breaks.
Nice to get all enclosed in before winter!

The cheap doors I bought have the extension springs. I had not thought about running a safety cable through them, but I will do it. Thanks.

I’m flabbergasted… not only do you have lofts but you have one of your lofts filled with red oak too!

Nice spaces and the doors look great. I can see why you see the need to re-organise a bit. Least you are sticking with the plan to use up existing stock in order to clean up shop. Can’t store it forever. Still having almost 3m of infeed and almost 3m of outfeed space around your thicknesser is nothing to complain about. :)

Greetings, Flabber!:thumbup: Flabber Gusted. Is that your whole name?

Yes, I like red oak for furniture, so I have sawn up and kept what I could. I still have one log waiting, a small one my woodcutter spared for me. I have another loft section with more red oak and all the black walnut. You may realize how difficult it is to actually use stock you have been saving. It's hard. 3m is probably plenty, but my old shop that burned had room for 5m each end, never cramped. I've always dreamed of making furniture but actually have made very little, maybe ten pieces. But I like doing it and am too cheap to buy finished lumber so grow your own is my best way. I have several timber quality trees waiting patiently for the saw mill. Red oak, walnut, and others. Sycamore is soft but such a beautiful wood. I use it for push sticks and can admire it every cut.

:lol_hitti The Globetrotters line made me P my pants. I admire your wittiness and being a jack of many trades. Just went through all 33 pages over the past 2 nights, you've made some serious headway in short time :thumbup:

Thanks for the kind words. Glad you didn't typo "of" into "off":bounce:
 
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There are minds that have an odd curiosity and fascination with complicated mechanical devices. Should you see something that is unknown and confusing will try to understand how it works...or why it doesn't work any more!

Best way is to buy it, allow it to be given to you or think about your last tetanus shot and drag it home!

Then you turn the knobs and throw the levers and figure what that turns and you stomp that so that all 3 spin and that makes that part go "pocketa, pocketa" and that knob chooses between little steps or big steps!

Then a friend tells you he spotted one just like it sitting beside a barn out where he runs his dogs so you check it out. Well it turns out to be a framus scaler and you have a burlap sack snaggler...but just behind it they have 3 Whitley Stump Wumpers, what looks like a steam punk X-Ray machine and a 1952 Cadillac ambulance.

Sometimes a totally useless beautiful machine is a joy!

Bruce

:bounce::bounce:

Yes Bruce. You nailed it.

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:bounce::bounce::bounce:

you accomplish more in one day than I do in a month. Well done sir.

Wow! I knew the weather was different up north, but your months are that short? Thanks for stopping by!:thumbup:
 

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Greetings, Flabber!:thumbup: Flabber Gusted. Is that your whole name?

Yes, I like red oak for furniture, so I have sawn up and kept what I could. I still have one log waiting, a small one my woodcutter spared for me. I have another loft section with more red oak and all the black walnut. You may realize how difficult it is to actually use stock you have been saving. It's hard. 3m is probably plenty, but my old shop that burned had room for 5m each end, never cramped. I've always dreamed of making furniture but actually have made very little, maybe ten pieces. But I like doing it and am too cheap to buy finished lumber so grow your own is my best way. I have several timber quality trees waiting patiently for the saw mill. Red oak, walnut, and others. Sycamore is soft but such a beautiful wood. I use it for push sticks and can admire it every cut.

Today(and most of this week) it’s Dis-Gusted but that’s another unrelated story.

Oh my, black walnut too eh? :drool:

I miss woodwork a little and love making furniture too. For the most part I lack the space to do proper woodwork so that made things a little harder. Also turns out my wife is into contemporary modern stuff that requires beautiful wood painted either white or black. Goes against my grain so I sort of stopped doing it other than making some functional stuff like basinets, change tables, beds, side tables and an ottoman(even though it was mostly upholstered)

On the upside she likes my steel furniture and my use of stainless so that’s a plus. Just much harder to plane and thickness. :lol: Our double bed is a nice contemporary combination of stainless and Rimu(local hardwood not unlike red oak) which I made when we bought our house and it has not been thrown out yet. :lol:
 
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Today(and most of this week) it’s Dis-Gusted but that’s another unrelated story.

Oh my, black walnut too eh? :drool:

I miss woodwork a little and love making furniture too. For the most part I lack the space to do proper woodwork so that made things a little harder. Also turns out my wife is into contemporary modern stuff that requires beautiful wood painted either white or black. Goes against my grain so I sort of stopped doing it other than making some functional stuff like basinets, change tables, beds, side tables and an ottoman(even though it was mostly upholstered)

On the upside she likes my steel furniture and my use of stainless so that’s a plus. Just much harder to plane and thickness. :lol: Our double bed is a nice contemporary combination of stainless and Rimu(local hardwood not unlike red oak) which I made when we bought our house and it has not been thrown out yet. :lol:

I almost made the observation that if you ever quit us, we would be dis-gusted. Or at least de-gusted. Or de-gustered.:willy_nil

Just don't go there.

I've made a few things with red oak painted black. While it looks good with the grain peeking through, it's not really for me.

The black walnut is what my dad had cut, and my son's father-in-law (no additional relationships :( ). The son's FIL walnut is two 2x12 clear, 12 ft and more long, old growth from near Upper Sandusky Ohio. I can't bring myself to cut it...

I've never worked much with stainless because it is not a naturally occurring item in my junk stashes. I do have some Hastelloy screen which is great for high temperature applications, like tuyere lining.

Cheers mate. Hope your other story issues are satisfied to your benefit.:thumbup:
 
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Yesterday was a milestone day at the shed.

The overhead door installer finished up!

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And Lazy Andy got the walk through door relocated from the planer room to the new entrance.

Now the shed addition is secure so everything does not have to be picked up every evening:thumbup:

It is really really nice to have it all closed in. The blue car has taken up residence full time pending the start of painting.

GJ'er bgarrett stopped by for a live visit. Great guy, and he pointed out some things he thought he had seen in photographs, like the 1912-1918 12 rivet Model T axle. I don't know how I got it:willy_nil

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We had a great visit, and he insisted on buying a broom :)

This morning I set about framing in the attic door in the 12 ft room.

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I'm using old pine ship lap siding wood salvaged from a well house ten years ago. The well house was built around 1950 on a friend's farm. They wanted it down so I took it down for the materials, especially the asbestos shingle siding. I have asbestos on my house, great siding, just don't grind it regularly. It has held the paint we put on in 1985 very well. Don't know when I'll have to repaint, if ever.

A note on making miter frames. Lot's of people have difficulty cutting tight miters. I've found my problem is generally not having opposites exactly the same length.

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If they are not identical, it does not matter how close the cuts are to 45 degrees. In fact, a small difference in length makes more of a gap than a small error in the angle. When I was making several hundred frames per month I settled on about 44-1/2 degrees to always bring the points together. A gap on the inside is much less noticeable.

I started making a floating panel door for the opening, and have it doweled with the glue drying. Forgot to photograph. Maybe I didn't, just dreamed I did.

Here's the panel grooves being wasted out.

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Then Arkansas Best Freightways (ABF) showed up with the new Bendpak HD-9. Bob is in a coma, and couldn't help unload it. He will feel so bad when he knows he failed me :( So my son-in-lawxsister-in-law father-in-law brought his backhoe over to unload it. I have a fair amount of heavy rigging experience, but Wayne has handled oil field equipment with track hoes, dozers, and backhoes for fifty years so I listen carefully and rig it up like he wants. He has never failed me and this pot needs only one cook.

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He had the driver angle the lift close to the back of the truck and could reach in far enough with his front bucket he did not have to set it down and re-rig.

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A semi can't get through my driveway easily so we unload on the side of the county road. Lot's of room and not much traffic:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Right into the 12 ft room where it goes.

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Then I had to get the cherry picker from the machine shop to the 12 ft room. Tight fit through the wood shop. But it fit...

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OIF: sorry i haven't had time to read all your amazing comments and catch up on your storytelling so couldn't sleep well tonight with all the sawdust and stain fumes in my head and thought i could use some fun reading.

that said i still have a lot to read, but noticed your 45's on you miter saw are not quite correct. same thing happened with my old Makita i must have cut hundreds of 45's on. so i was wanting a nice compound miter and ended up finding a very little used Dewalt and before paying about 50% of what a new one costs i youtubed my way around learning about it. not sure your miter saw will have this adjustment, but found this video where the Dewalt can have the gauge adjusted so your 45's and compound cuts are right on. I hope this helps or maybe you can sell a few more brooms and buy a Dewalt like i did.


your new space looks great and i bet it fills up quickly so you might draw up a plan for it if you haven't already.

good luck and keep up the great postings i see all over GJ cause i'm sure i'm not the only one that you are making smile, laugh and educate.
 
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OIF: sorry i haven't had time to read all your amazing comments and catch up on your storytelling so couldn't sleep well tonight with all the sawdust and stain fumes in my head and thought i could use some fun reading.

that said i still have a lot to read, but noticed your 45's on you miter saw are not quite correct. same thing happened with my old Makita i must have cut hundreds of 45's on. so i was wanting a nice compound miter and ended up finding a very little used Dewalt and before paying about 50% of what a new one costs i youtubed my way around learning about it. not sure your miter saw will have this adjustment, but found this video where the Dewalt can have the gauge adjusted so your 45's and compound cuts are right on. I hope this helps or maybe you can sell a few more brooms and buy a Dewalt like i did.


your new space looks great and i bet it fills up quickly so you might draw up a plan for it if you haven't already.

good luck and keep up the great postings i see all over GJ cause i'm sure i'm not the only one that you are making smile, laugh and educate.

Thanks for your comments!

I think my saws are cutting accurate 45 angles. At least all the corners close tight. Are you referring to this photograph?

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If so, those boards are of different width so the 45 cuts are different length. Those are rails and stiles for the attic door. I thought I had ripped them the same but had not. The key for me is that the short sides are identical in length to keep the corners tight. The framed opening is not exactly square and I plan to hand plane the door to get a good fit of the door in the opening, at least as viewed from the floor:bounce:

I don't generally use the stops on a miter saw. These cuts were made on my dad's Milwaukee saw and it has a accurate stop, at least for a RH 45.

I'll post a picture of my frame making setup later for curiosity. I built a jig to assure I can get exactly the combination of angles I want.

I've thought about buying a compound miter saw but those I've looked at all seem to be so flexible I can't see how you can get consistent cuts. But it has been many years, perhaps they have improved since I've looked at them.
 
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OIF: i read you saying that you have to tweak the angles a bit and you put in 44.5 degrees so i thought maybe your saw was off a little. once i saw the YouTube video i posted a link on i checked my 3 miter saws and they are all a bit off square so i need to tune mine up before next use when cutting anything with crucial angles.

always a pleasure to stop in and get a few good words from you and see what you are up to. keep up the good work and hope you are not in tornado alley or in harm's way with all that cool upgrading you are doing to your place.

also in case you didn't hear i think BG has lost 30 or so pounds in the past few months so happy to hear he's getting around and stopped in for a visit.

cheers
 

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For what it is worth "Mr Hoarder" my pathways got too narrow lately so while I am cleaning, sorting and organizing my Treasure. I have found some items that really have no value as repair parts nor as "junkyard art".
It hurts but Scrap it and focus on the projects you want to finish!
 
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OIF: i read you saying that you have to tweak the angles a bit and you put in 44.5 degrees so i thought maybe your saw was off a little. once i saw the YouTube video i posted a link on i checked my 3 miter saws and they are all a bit off square so i need to tune mine up before next use when cutting anything with crucial angles.

always a pleasure to stop in and get a few good words from you and see what you are up to. keep up the good work and hope you are not in tornado alley or in harm's way with all that cool upgrading you are doing to your place.

also in case you didn't hear i think BG has lost 30 or so pounds in the past few months so happy to hear he's getting around and stopped in for a visit.

cheers

Thanks for your visit! I need to post the fixture I came up with to cut accurate miters. I never use the scales or the stops on miter saws, just set them with a gauge. And, yes, we are in the middle of Tornado Alley. But we don't worry about them. They actually affect very few people.

BG mentioned he had lost weight but not how much. We had a really good visit.

For what it is worth "Mr Hoarder" my pathways got too narrow lately so while I am cleaning, sorting and organizing my Treasure. I have found some items that really have no value as repair parts nor as "junkyard art".
It hurts but Scrap it and focus on the projects you want to finish!

Mr Hoarder:rocker::rocker: Thanks!:bounce::bounce:

I know I've got trash I need to clean out. And I have stacked a lot of good stuff outside. Is scrap a four letter word?

Thanks for the kind advice. Time well tell whether I can change my old habits.
 
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Today was a day to help others.

My son-in-law poured his 30x30 slab in his 30x60 shed.

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Same crew which did my floor. Nice guys. But Wayne doesn't have any heifers :(
 
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OIF: when you (or the company you hired) make a cement pour that big is it all being finished by hand or do you (or the company's guys) use that egg beater looking machine?

also looks like your son in law is pouring a 5.5 inch thick floor. is that for his stuff and how handy is he? can he make a broom?
 
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OIF: when you (or the company you hired) make a cement pour that big is it all being finished by hand or do you (or the company's guys) use that egg beater looking machine?

also looks like your son in law is pouring a 5.5 inch thick floor. is that for his stuff and how handy is he? can he make a broom?

Hey! Drivesitfar! They use power rotary trowels. And they are pretty good at it, i.e. their garage door slopes.

My son-in-law is an excellent equipment operator and welder. He can pick your pocket with his backhoe. He is also a tremendous cattleman. He'll notice diseases before I do, and digs right in to a open sore to clean it out and doctor it. I'm a little hesitant. His arthritis is also about to get the best of him, so he goes a little slow but still great help.

He is not into crafts when he can buy a finished product. But he will make anything out of steel that he needs to in order to solve a problem.

Thanks for the visit!

I see a red chair for watching the concrete dry?

That was the Son-In-Law watching the finishers work. He's not afraid of hard work, will sit down right next to it.

Thanks for stopping in!
 
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After the framing and siding is on everything seems to slow down.

Today I got the attic door finished. Since the opening was not exactly square, and this is primarily to seal out drafts, I shaped the door to fit the opening. Two sides had to have a taper cut off, and one just needed trimmed. So how do you trim a board from zero on one end to 1/8" cut on the other end? Belt sander - maybe. Table saw - maybe. Band saw - umm... no. Hand plane - :thumbup:

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Since I don't have a woodworking bench, I use my table saw to clamp work to. OK, why don't I have a woodworking bench? Because I want to make my own. And I'm rather proud I don't only put off my wife's projects.:thumbup: I even have lumber set back to make a bench, when the cotton's high and the corn's growing and there ain't no fields to plow (plough)

Planing the edge of a door is surprisingly easy with the door laying flat. You can see your line clearly, plane to it with the plane tilted up slightly to avoid undercutting the other side, then finish off with the plane held vertically. Easy as 3.14159265358979.

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And who doesn't like to make long smooth curls in near silence. Stepping on them is even a joy.

I had a twist in the door due to doweling without clamping. I didn't worry about getting it flat because I expect to use a simple clamp to hold it shut, and a twisted door works great when you get to select where it is clamped.

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I decided to make a butterfly clamp, then changed my mind and went to a bow tie design but finally settled on a propeller design.

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Maybe it is a bow tie after all, or a butterfly:headscrat

Made the clamp out of bois d'arc, or is it hedge apple, or is it Osage orange? I don't know, all three names apply to the same wood. Very strong, very hard, very tough, very pretty. And it holds the door very securely.

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I had to go to the local nearby town (Cleveland, OK) this morning for business. While I was there I almost went to Wallyworld to buy a drill powered paint mixer. But it seemed like I had one. Went home and found a new one in my painting supplies drawer.

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Not only is it brand new, it was made in USA!:thumbup: But not recently. I've probably had it twenty years. Why was it hard to open it? It is old enough I wanted to preserve the entire package. And you wonder why I need more space.

So as therapy, I opened it. Or was it punishment?:willy_nil:willy_nil

A little miter discussion. Many years ago (in the nineties) I landed a contract to make trivet frames for an artist whose full time business was painting on clay tile and wholesaling his art at the national gift show conventions. He was successful and wanted to expand into wood framed trivets. Here's one we made for my employer at the time.

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And the back

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If you look carefully, you'll see the joints are a little loose on the inside. The fastener I chose to use is the Senclamp. It's a wide shallow "U" with a slight taper over it's length. Driven in it pulls the joint together. But in the oak, it also bows the wood slightly. I wanted the points tight as that looks better when someone picks up the item in a store and expects it to be perfect.

So to meet the need, I had to be able to make good consistent joints. I bought a Delta chop saw and removed the table. The table was replaced with a piece of plywood and shop made fences. The front fence had a fabricated hold down to keep the stock against the fence.

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Hold down was about where my left hand is located. We would push stock through past a mark on the table and chop quickly with a 100 tooth Freud blade.(over 10,000 cuts in oak on that blade and still no tearout) We had the trigger tied back and used a foot pedal to operate the saw. That makes the first cut.

In order to be consistent, I didn't want to adjust the saw angle to finish the pieces (the stock is not symmetrical) so I added a second fence at 90 degrees from the first. This fence is adjustable. The right hand wing nut is over a slot in the fence, so it can be loosened to adjust the fence to exactly what I want. Eventually, I settled on about 44-1/2 degrees to keep the points together even after the Senclamp spread the wood.

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Clamping a stop to the second fence assures each piece is cut to an identical length, one of the most important criteria in getting a tight joint.

I picked up an old piece of stock and made four pieces. The fit together pretty well.

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I was selling frames in the 90's for $1.50 each and I provided the wood. I had the wood milled by a custom mill company and got 14 to 18 ft pieces. Eventually we were making a few thousand per month. I hired the son of a friend on a piece work basis. he was making $15/hr and I was making $10 on each of his hours. We were making LOTS of cuts. The Senclamp is a hand tool, and I made a foot powered tool to hold it, used a wooden spring to contact the safety, then the wooden spring would flex and trip the tirgger. We had fences to align the two pieces to be joined. Quick and slick!:thumbup: We did that for about three or four years. The artist contracted cancer and the business stopped as quickly as it started. I had about a thousand frames in stock I eventually burned (I just can't keep everything:willy_nil) I still have several thousand feet of the frame material but have not used very much, all stock was paid for by the operation. Can you see the stock in the rafters?

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My plan was to paint the attic door white, but I'm starting to like the old pine wood.

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Set out to make some more broom stitching needles today

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If you look closely there are two needles in the fire.

It's hard to forge and take pictures, but here is the last needle on the last heat. You can see the first four on the floor to the right of the anvil.

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And got off track. Made me a steel crucible and started melting aluminum.

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That was a piece of 3" pipe (3-1/2" OD, 0.25" wall, with a 1/4" bottom)

It takes twenty soda cans to make a muffin of aluminum :)

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Andy, to quote you "And who doesn't like to make long smooth curls in near silence. Stepping on them is even a joy."

There is just some thing about it.:thumbup:

IMHO I would leave the attic door as it is.:thumbup:

Fantastic work as always..:thumbup:

BTW, what do you use the aluminium ingots for??
 

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Same crew which did my floor. Nice guys. But Wayne doesn't have any heifers :(

Fine, fine fine work Iron Farmer!!!

I love the picture above. Except ... WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Is that you in the foreground? Drinking a coffee???? Watching the other guys work????????? :headshake:headshake:headshake
What is the world coming to? That's almost a WTF picture!!! :lol_hitti:lol_hitti
I guess everyone needs a break now and then! :lol::lol::lol:

Just got caught up on the last few pages of your thread, and I see I've missed a lot. It is amazing what you accomplish!

I like the idea of the custom fence for the chop saw. Never would have thought of that.

I'm with 1/2 cup on leaving the attic door as it is! It looks great!

I'm curious about the aluminum ingots too! Do you get better coin for them as ingots than for the recycling deposit as cans?

Did your grandson follow through with his promise and "... pea on your plate"??? :lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

Cheers! and Keep up the good work!
 

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Rather late to the party than never right. Just found your thread and read the last few pages.

Amazing.

Subbed and will go back and read the whole thing during my three hours a day commute to work. ( I take the train)

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Andy, to quote you "And who doesn't like to make long smooth curls in near silence. Stepping on them is even a joy."

There is just some thing about it.:thumbup:

Not surprisingly, I haven't swept up the shavings just yet.:lol_hitti

IMHO I would leave the attic door as it is.:thumbup:

Think I'm going to do that. If I don't like it later a coat of white paint will be plenty quick.:thumbup:

Fantastic work as always..:thumbup:

Thank you!:bowdown:

BTW, what do you use the aluminium ingots for??

Melting scrap produces a lot of slag: residue from can contents, paint, dirt, etc. So the ingots are an intermediate step and should be mostly clean metal so the next melt and pour into a mold (mould) should create less slag. I want to make custom castings. I want to do that bad enough I'm adding a foundry room to my shop expansion.

Fine, fine fine work Iron Farmer!!!

I love the picture above. Except ... WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Is that you in the foreground? Drinking a coffee???? Watching the other guys work????????? :headshake:headshake:headshake
What is the world coming to? That's almost a WTF picture!!! :lol_hitti:lol_hitti
I guess everyone needs a break now and then! :lol::lol::lol:

:willy_nil No, I don't drink coffee. That's my son-in-law admiring his new slab. Of course we would help even though the crew is being paid by the job, but some jobs cost more if you help:eyecrazy: I was taking the picture and I DID NOT SIT IN THAT CHAIR:rocker:

Just got caught up on the last few pages of your thread, and I see I've missed a lot. It is amazing what you accomplish!

Thank you! :bowdown:

I like the idea of the custom fence for the chop saw. Never would have thought of that.

Likely you would have if you had several thousand cuts to make, like I did. Once I got it set I have never moved it. The belt in the saw went bad and it was making a growling sound. Like a bad bearing. Since I had a contract employee using it I bought an identical saw and moved the fence. Fixed the belt in the first saw and held it in reserve for failure of the second saw. Contract finished before the second saw failed. Then I inherited the Milwaukee saw from my dad, and so there are three. Three chop saws, three table saws, three jointers, three planers, three band saws, I'm thinking I'm seeing a pattern here:willy_nil:willy_nil:willy_nil


I'm with 1/2 cup on leaving the attic door as it is! It looks great!

:thumbup:

I'm curious about the aluminum ingots too! Do you get better coin for them as ingots than for the recycling deposit as cans?

I'm intensely interested in casting brass and iron. To learn I'm going to start by casting aluminum. And, like everything I do, I'm worried about running out of supplies. I have a couple of hundred pounds of scrap aluminum, like old racing pistons and rods, and the transmission out of a late model Impala.

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And the damaged radiator out of Bobby's Mustang, but I'm still melting cans to make ingots.


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There's one waving good bye today :hellobye:and my stash grows:rocker:

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Four ingots now! I need to call a scrap yard and see how much they charge for scrap aluminum to me. Might be good to find a source for old engine blocks.:dunno:

Did your grandson follow through with his promise and "... pea on your plate"??? :lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti

No, no, he said he would "eat every carrot and pea on his plate" Of course he did.:lol_hitti

Cheers! and Keep up the good work!

Thanks for the visit!:thumbup::thumbup:

Rather late to the party than never right. Just found your thread and read the last few pages.

Amazing.

Subbed and will go back and read the whole thing during my three hours a day commute to work. ( I take the train)

Regards

Niels


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I'm glad you take the train and aren't driving:willy_nil Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate all the visits, guys!

Finally got started painting today. I hate painting, but it must be done...

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This is the foundry room, I really need to get my big compressor hooked back up. And it goes here. The ceiling is drying, and this is the prime coat.

More painting tomorrow!
 
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I think you need to make a can feeder so you can load like 20 cans into it and they will go in one right after another when they melt.

Bet you could get junk transmissions from a trany shop way cheaper than the scrap yard.

Another idea is the aluminum suspension cradles from cars. Our local junk yard does not even strip out the bushings so they get dirty price for it. Could cut it up with a skill saw and make perfect ingots for you.
 

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Catching up again. I recognized the pile of asbestos shingles in one of your pics, even before you mentioned them. I have been hanging on to a similar stack for a while , but I have been using them up lately while making repairs. FYI, you can buy a look-a-like , made of different material, from Home Depot. Only if you get in a bind and need them bad, they are not cheap. Good Luck
 

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OIF: can't say i've ever seen anybody melting pop and beer cans in their forge, but a great idea none the less. nice way to form them to and do you put a little oil in first so the aluminum molds will come out or did you say and i missed it?

new room/space looks great too.

cheers
 

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Aluminium tends to shrink quite a bit when cooling down and tend to fall right out of female molds. The taper in the cupcake tins helps too.

Good luck with the painting. Ceilings are great arm workout aren't they. I'm with you on it being my least favourite thing to do. Maybe it is all the wait in between. Not real good at waiting for paint to dry. Only time I do fab work for other people is if they do their own painting. I'm still old school brush and roller type. Those mini rollers were a game changer though. I have a sprayer to try this year. Maybe it takes a bit of drudgery out of it.
 

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I worked as a picture frame before and during college. Good miter joints are hard. A good tape measure and system is a good thing. Standard Miter saws can get worn over time making them a little off, springs and bushings wear as well as run out on the blade all add up to loose of off joints. I sold a delta saw I had that was good for a craftsman that I inherated from father. The thing makes horrible cuts. I loosened a trued it up and its better, but still not perfect.
Great shop additiong and way to go on getting things cleaned and oragnized!

If have found that for making pictures a true 45 degree sled on the table saw is great. Easy to whip up. Set up stop up using a 45ed piece of wood and a clamp and do both vertical legs and then the horizontal legs at the same time to get the length the same.

BTW, I inherited the same table saw as you have from my father. A little messing with it and it is very true.

Make sure your machines or true and check every so often with a square. Same goes for squaring materials like mats and glass. Nothing worse than fiddling with a corner to hide mistakes or fitting a square frame to out of square mat or glass.

In the frame shop we had a 45 degree angle foot operated chop saw that was square. Quick a easy as long as you take little nibbles you can chop some large frames.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Jyd...X&ved=0ahUKEwi9s8vR_NDPAhXFGj4KHYArDUUQsAQINg
 

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I came across a guy that buys up aluminum ladders to melt them for his projects. I would've figured they'd be too costly but he said he finds them free or cheap all the time.
 
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I think you need to make a can feeder so you can load like 20 cans into it and they will go in one right after another when they melt.

Bet you could get junk transmissions from a trany shop way cheaper than the scrap yard.

Another idea is the aluminum suspension cradles from cars. Our local junk yard does not even strip out the bushings so they get dirty price for it. Could cut it up with a skill saw and make perfect ingots for you.

Can feeder, hmmm...

Junk transmissions from a shop - there's a great idea. :thunbup:

Suspension parts, another winner! Cans are extruded, like many other aluminium items. I think the alloy in cast pieces recasts better than extruded stock. Transmissions are definitely cast. Suspensions, like the pistons and rods, are forged.

Thanks for the visit and keep up the ideas!!

Catching up again. I recognized the pile of asbestos shingles in one of your pics, even before you mentioned them. I have been hanging on to a similar stack for a while , but I have been using them up lately while making repairs. FYI, you can buy a look-a-like , made of different material, from Home Depot. Only if you get in a bind and need them bad, they are not cheap. Good Luck

I didn't know about the look-a-like shingles. When I added on to my house I was too cheap to pay $300,square for asbestos (it was almost gone then) and have replaced the cheap siding with Hardy board. Wish I'd bought the asbestos. Thanks for looking in!

OIF: can't say i've ever seen anybody melting pop and beer cans in their forge, but a great idea none the less. nice way to form them to and do you put a little oil in first so the aluminum molds will come out or did you say and i missed it?

new room/space looks great too.

cheers

Thanks for the visit! I hope I don't contaminate the forge with something that will affect welding. Copper is a no-no in a forge. I plan to build a proper furnace to avoid using the forge, but it was too handy of a source of heat I couldn't resist.

Aluminium tends to shrink quite a bit when cooling down and tend to fall right out of female molds. The taper in the cupcake tins helps too.

Good luck with the painting. Ceilings are great arm workout aren't they. I'm with you on it being my least favourite thing to do. Maybe it is all the wait in between. Not real good at waiting for paint to dry. Only time I do fab work for other people is if they do their own painting. I'm still old school brush and roller type. Those mini rollers were a game changer though. I have a sprayer to try this year. Maybe it takes a bit of drudgery out of it.

While the aluminium does shrink quite a lot, I started with a new muffin tin. It may have been plated with tin or aluminum. I had one muffin stick so well in the cup I had to cut the tin off. So now I have a standard five cup tin with a nice large ring for secure handling. Oil or grease may have been the trick but I didn't. The remaining cups are seasoned now :)

I'm rolling paint, and it is going OK, now that I've resigned myself to it. I have a Ryobi sprayer which would not spray the primer paint. I think it was too heavy, regardless, I had loaned it out when new and it's a bit dirty, and I have never used it. When it failed on the first job I asked of it, I got pissed and threw it in the trash. I dug it out and cleaned it up today. Plan to give it away.

Come again anytime!
 
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I worked as a picture frame before and during college. Good miter joints are hard. A good tape measure and system is a good thing. Standard Miter saws can get worn over time making them a little off, springs and bushings wear as well as run out on the blade all add up to loose of off joints. I sold a delta saw I had that was good for a craftsman that I inherated from father. The thing makes horrible cuts. I loosened a trued it up and its better, but still not perfect.
Great shop additiong and way to go on getting things cleaned and oragnized!

If have found that for making pictures a true 45 degree sled on the table saw is great. Easy to whip up. Set up stop up using a 45ed piece of wood and a clamp and do both vertical legs and then the horizontal legs at the same time to get the length the same.

BTW, I inherited the same table saw as you have from my father. A little messing with it and it is very true.

Make sure your machines or true and check every so often with a square. Same goes for squaring materials like mats and glass. Nothing worse than fiddling with a corner to hide mistakes or fitting a square frame to out of square mat or glass.

In the frame shop we had a 45 degree angle foot operated chop saw that was square. Quick a easy as long as you take little nibbles you can chop some large frames.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Jyd...X&ved=0ahUKEwi9s8vR_NDPAhXFGj4KHYArDUUQsAQINg

Thanks for the comments! I appreciate them. When setting up to make thousands of frames, I thought about a 45 degree table saw sled, but I felt like it would be too slow. With the two fences on the chop saw so the angles do not have to be adjusted between cuts, it was a reliable and quick system. Remember the fastener system I bought required a slight adjustment to keep the points tight.

We could make a couple hundred accurate frames in an evening.

I have three old Craftsman table saws. I get by very well with them. But I never set anything with the built in scale, always use a 45, square, or level.

I came across a guy that buys up aluminum ladders to melt them for his projects. I would've figured they'd be too costly but he said he finds them free or cheap all the time.

I have a couple of old ladders to use. Of course they are extruded, like the cans. Maybe extrusions will make nice castings.

Thanks for the visit and comments, they are always appreciated!
 
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Thought I'd rehearse the issues I had with my Chevelle rear suspension. When I bought the car there was a significant driveline vibration. Upon investigation, the upper control arms did not fit. Here is the driver's side upper control arm attachment to the axle.

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It's not hard to see that the bolt does not go through the center of the bushing. The control arm was forced hard to get it to fit.

I had trouble identifying the axle.

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After a little sleuthing, ok a lot of looking, it turns out the axle is a 73-77 Olds 442 axle. Similar guts to a Chevy 12 bolt with a ten bolt cover. A good axle for the car, but an expert on a forum told me it just would not fit in a 72 Chevelle. I'm cheap, so I want to use it if I can.

Game on!:rocker:

I measured where the axle sat in relation to the fenders when the car was resting on the springs. Then I removed the springs and replaced them with all thread rods. Lifting the car, the rods could be adjusted to the loaded axle position to allow the pinion shaft angle to be measured. It was pointing toward the rear view mirror. A little high!

Here's the axle hanging from the rods.

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After measuring, it appeared the cover plate is perpendicular to the centerline of the pinion so I attached a square to the cover plate surface, and parallel to the axles so the entire unit could be leveled with the car.

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Then I removed the upper arms and played with the axle until I could verify there was an acceptable pinion angle at the load position, hanging position, and against the top bumpers with the same length upper control arm (same in all three positions, not the same as the stock arms). I did this by making a wooden upper arm, short enough to reach the ID of the axle bushing mount.

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This wooden block was drilled to fit the body mount of the control arm and long enough to line up when the axle was at the proper angle when in the loaded position.

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Notice the hole in the wood block is tangent to the wood surface, I drilled the hole then planed the block until the hole just broke through. That was to have a reference surface 1/4" (1/2" hole) from the center of the hole. The hole is square with the wood, see the bushing ring is about 4 degrees off. It is also 5 degrees twisted down.

The wood block is also touching the left (in the picture) side of the body bushing mount and was trimmed thick enough to touch the side of the axle bushing mount so there is a reference surface for each of the variables involved in determining what a new upper control arm would look like. Then it was a matter of elevating the axle to touch the bumpers and rotating it until the wood block is back in position. Pinion angle at bumper stop can then be measured and control arm twist checked. Pinion angle at full travel was acceptable and the bushing centerlines varied by less than ten degrees, acceptable as well. There is a lot of twisting in a four bar suspension both in a straight squat and in cornering, which is why the bushings are so large.

All that is left is to fabricate the arms, tack them up and check the axle travel with arms in place.
 
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