Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[madoc1]

i like that insulation. how did they get it so flat from top to bottom? after the spray, did they use some sort of tool to do it and leave that nice crease in the middle? sort of looks like rolux, an insulation that comes in batts. good luck with the brooms. now you can legitimately sit on your **** for a week and not feel guilty.

 

[BUGTHUG]

I was thinking (imagine that) for some reason that it was a 2 part spray foam? I think in the old days people used blue jeans that was all shredded up, not sure how well that worked out? Should keep it warmer inside!

 

[neilc]

You might consider just running conduit, pulling wire and surface mounting quad boxes. That would look nice in the new space and be relatively easy to install.

Great progress. Insulation is impressive. Never seen the cellulose sprayed and 'stuck' like that. Is it a firm surface or will it fluff off.

Would love a step by step on the broom making if you have time!

Thanks for the amazing progress in two months and your willingness to share it!

 

[machsnell]

How expensive was the cellulose in comparison t9 sprayfoam?

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[Terrick down Under]

You must be so stoked about the progress so far. Having to wait 48 hours to hang would be killing me!
So what are you using in the ceiling?

 

[oldironfarmer]

i like that insulation. how did they get it so flat from top to bottom? after the spray, did they use some sort of tool to do it and leave that nice crease in the middle? sort of looks like rolux, an insulation that comes in batts. good luck with the brooms. now you can legitimately sit on your **** for a week and not feel guilty.

They used a powered tool, with two rubber rollers with a crosshatch pattern. I never saw it run, but the crease is due to the small gap between rollers. Rollers were about 2" in diameter.

I was thinking (imagine that) for some reason that it was a 2 part spray foam? I think in the old days people used blue jeans that was all shredded up, not sure how well that worked out? Should keep it warmer inside!

I've been told foam may have a flammability issue, though I didn't check that out. This is finely shredded newspaper treated with boric acid and an adhesive. It comes out the nozzle dry and the operator has a pressurized water nozzle he (or she (PC)) sprays water as required during the installation. A little like a carpet cleaner. The guys who invented the blue jeans thing were really trying to put the pants on people. Or walls. I think they either lost their shirt or took it in the shorts. Isn't that a rip.

You might consider just running conduit, pulling wire and surface mounting quad boxes. That would look nice in the new space and be relatively easy to install.

I was told on the electrical forum that I didn't know how to run conduit. I didn't know how to respond to that. If I prove I can I'm buckling. I always like to say "I con do it" (with my best unidentified accent). Have you seen my proprietary cable system?

Great progress. Insulation is impressive. Never seen the cellulose sprayed and 'stuck' like that. Is it a firm surface or will it fluff off.

Thanks! I'm liking the insulation too. It is firm and I think will dry stiff. This morning I repaired a spot a curious dog or **** dug off. Just stuck it back on.

Would love a step by step on the broom making if you have time!

Check my signature line, I started that a few days ago.

Thanks for the amazing progress in two months and your willingness to share it!

It's feeling good! And sharing it is selfish as it gives me some motivation.

How expensive was the cellulose in comparison t9 sprayfoam?

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I hope you can tell me. I paid $1.05/sq ft for R-21.5 delivered and installed and Home Depot was $0.93/sq ft for R-21, I haul, I install. HD was $0.73/sq ft for R-19. Installed looks like a deal to me, I didn't itch once, and even got it done in one day.

 

[oldironfarmer]

You must be so stoked about the progress so far. Having to wait 48 hours to hang would be killing me!
So what are you using in the ceiling?

I'm feeling good, still a little in shock and denial that I'm done with framing (a little on filter wall for spray booth and doors) and metal (twenty pieces of soffit material). I'm far behind the curve on making brooms for next weekend and just got in from mowing a yard that could have been baled if there weren't so many trees and tractors. And, I'm roped in to helping reroof a widow's house tomorrow, I don't mind, but have other things I need to be doing. The guys are out there now getting the ceilings in.

On Sunday. Their option, they want the money and want to help me get done. The lead is the employee at the lumber yard who sold me most of my materials, does sheetrock on the side. And, apparently, the ceilings.

 

[Bob Heine]

i like that insulation. how did they get it so flat from top to bottom? after the spray, did they use some sort of tool to do it and leave that nice crease in the middle? sort of looks like rolux, an insulation that comes in batts. good luck with the brooms. now you can legitimately sit on your **** for a week and not feel guilty.

They used a powered tool, with two rubber rollers with a crosshatch pattern. I never saw it run, but the crease is due to the small gap between rollers. Rollers were about 2" in diameter.

Many years ago This Old House did an episode on the spray cellulose insulation process. I did find a picture of the machine. Pretty sure this is a posed photo because in action, from what I recall, it looked like an oncoming snow blower.

 

[madoc1]

Many years ago This Old House did an episode on the spray cellulose insulation process. I did find a picture of the machine. Pretty sure this is a posed photo because in action, from what I recall, it looked like an oncoming snow blower.

thx bob

jim

 

[Grumblebum]

It's a pumping and productive little thread, 27 pages in 2 months.

That insulation looks tidy. Now I'm sure you know this but if you stick the red power cord out straight in the sun for a few hours you should get it to roll up nice again.

Now I'm off to check out the broom thread.

Cheers GB.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Many years ago This Old House did an episode on the spray cellulose insulation process. I did find a picture of the machine. Pretty sure this is a posed photo because in action, from what I recall, it looked like an oncoming snow blower.

Boy you're good! That is the machine Different guy, though

It's a pumping and productive little thread, 27 pages in 2 months.

That insulation looks tidy. Now I'm sure you know this but if you stick the red power cord out straight in the sun for a few hours you should get it to roll up nice again.

Now I'm off to check out the broom thread.

Cheers GB.

Thanks! I've been surprised by how many daily views this thread gets.

On the cord, I did not know that a little heat would make much difference. I'll try that sometime. That's a 100 ft 16 ga cord so it is light and I don't use it much. If I get it rolled up well it should stay that way for some time.

There's a broom thread? Great, I need to find it, I make brooms, you know

 

[oldironfarmer]

So the sheetrockers showed up and are working away. Looking good!

And I've gotten 15 small brooms made for the upcoming tractor show

But today I went to help reroof a widow's house, an old friend. Her husband built the trusses for the unfinished building next to my shop. He died too young. Her son noticed the roof, and is leading the reroof. Not sure I have ever seen a rougher roof that is not leaking. The shingles were laid over an old roof which is now keeping the rain out. Most of the gravel is gone.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, wow the sheet rock locks awesome..

What a nice gesture for an old friend, I tip my hat to you..

Regards

 

[Terrick down Under]

The sheetrock looks good, Has that new smell about it, hey!

 

[BUGTHUG]

Andy,
its funny how sheetrock makes the room look smaller. Sure is going to be a nice a useful addition.
Very nice gesture on paying it forward on the lady's roof. Good things will come your way!
So are you putting the tools and saws etc in that one area? OK, back to work.
I have a million dollar idea for you, in exchange for the C. O. E. On your brooms that you make, you should make names out of burlap or some material and sew it where the thread is on the top of the broom. At least put your name and e-mail or something that says they are yours and made in the USA? Plus you could use differ colors for like OSU, the orange and black etc. What do ya think?

 

[Craptain]

Andy,
its funny how sheetrock makes the room look smaller. Sure is going to be a nice a useful addition.
Very nice gesture on paying it forward on the lady's roof. Good things will come your way![emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]
So are you putting the tools and saws etc in that one area? OK, back to work.
I have a million dollar idea for you, in exchange for the C. O. E. On your brooms that you make, you should make names out of burlap or some material and sew it where the thread is on the top of the broom. At least put your name and e-mail or something that says they are yours and made in the USA? Plus you could use differ colors for like OSU, the orange and black etc. What do ya think?

You didn't notice his logo on the shaft?

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[oldironfarmer]

Andy, wow the sheet rock locks awesome..

What a nice gesture for an old friend, I tip my hat to you..

Regards

I love getting the sheetrock up! Not a very nice gesture, I only helped one morning and it is brutally hot this week. We got about 15% torn off and 5% shingled, and I left them brooms (didn't have any storebought ) shingle shovel and my roofing nailer. I would have loved to have gone back but had brooms I had to get made. Her son was a young man who became and engineer because of me (first college guy in his family) and I hired him for his first job. Fine guy, 45 now, and he was ramrodding the job, probably paid for his mom's shingles. And I quit them after a 6 hour morning.

The sheetrock looks good, Has that new smell about it, hey!

I've been sniffing it

Andy,
its funny how sheetrock makes the room look smaller. Sure is going to be a nice a useful addition.

The room is smaller, duh! By about an inch each way. You must have very good eyes!

Very nice gesture on paying it forward on the lady's roof. Good things will come your way!

Not me, I'm a quitter.

So are you putting the tools and saws etc in that one area? OK, back to work.

The new section is for foundry, paint booth, light repair garage and car storage.

I have a million dollar idea for you, in exchange for the C. O. E. On your brooms that you make, you should make names out of burlap or some material and sew it where the thread is on the top of the broom. At least put your name and e-mail or something that says they are yours and made in the USA? Plus you could use differ colors for like OSU, the orange and black etc. What do ya think?

It is traditional to have a small embroidered name tag which you put under the last wire wrap. I've not had any made yet. I want to make traditional brooms, so any perceived upgrade is like putting radials on your 1937 V-16 Caddy.

Speaking of million dollar ideas, I've been promoting for years to build a system of solar panels which are also the roof for the house. Rails with conductors on the trusses with snap in panels (dummies in odd places) which shed the water and also tell the controller how well they are producing. Obviously a big company design and I hear that Musk or somebody is now coming out with a similar design - solar panels with no roof underneath.

You didn't notice his logo on the shaft?

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I didn't notice...

 

[oldironfarmer]

Sheetrockers are done! No good pictures because it was late when they finished.

I did get the soffit metal up early today.

And repaired where a dog or raccoon had dug into the insulation. I really needed the sheetrockers to finish because this is the second day of damage. I just wet it lightly and packed it back in.

You can see the wet spot on the floor where the material was laying, probably two or three gallons.

Up to fifteen small brooms and four large brooms. More large brooms tomorrow. I have to be loaded Thursday night for the 2-1/2 hour drive to the tractor show Friday morning.

 

[Guster]

Good progress on the sheetrock - have you decided whether to fix the insulation installer's tractor?

You have a nice collection now. You must be absolutely brooming with joy!

 

[BBChevro]

The soffit metal looks great Andy, as does the sheet rock.

 

[drivesitfar]

OIF: yes you do make BROOMS. I wonder how many you will make and sell at your friend's Halloween shindig coming up? good way to keep your hands and grip strong.

sorry i've been missing your thread and i love the way you tell stories so i'll try to catch up or just keep up from now and watch as you GET R DONE.

also nice of you to help your old friend's widow repair her roof. the last roof i helped with my Gramps was 87 and legally blind pulling off old cedar shakes and putting on new ones he hand split. he still did a good part of the work and i blew out 2 pairs of tennis shoes cause the roof was so steep and that was 20 years ago so i don't think at 60 i could do that roof again if i needed to help.

loving the insulation and i'll read through to find out the costs or if you didn't mention it was it much more expensive than the rolls?

 

[-Brent-]

It's been two months (and two days) since my first thread post. I'm feeling like a productive two months. I don't want to set a schedule for myself, but within two more months surely I can start cleaning and organizing the original shop, using the additional space to unclutter.

Wow, that's it, two months? Gone by so fast. I'm at 3 months and ten days into mine (started June 10th) and, man, I wish I had the help like you do. My project is smaller (in size) but doing it pretty much alone has dragged it out more than I'd like.

I do set schedules for myself but I ALWAYS bite off more than I can chew and have no real clue as to why I set a deadline in the first place. Haha.

 

[Grumblebum]

OIF: yes you do make BROOMS. I wonder how many you will make and sell at your friend's Halloween shindig coming up? good way to keep your hands and grip strong.

sorry i've been missing your thread and i love the way you tell stories so i'll try to catch up or just keep up from now and watch as you GET R DONE.

also nice of you to help your old friend's widow repair her roof. the last roof i helped with my Gramps was 87 and legally blind pulling off old cedar shakes and putting on new ones he hand split. he still did a good part of the work and i blew out 2 pairs of tennis shoes cause the roof was so steep and that was 20 years ago so i don't think at 60 i could do that roof again if i needed to help.

loving the insulation and i'll read through to find out the costs or if you didn't mention it was it much more expensive than the rolls?

Hi Drives, I recommend you start at the start on this one as its a great read and you will enjoy it. However it's very important to remember no beverages at the keyboard though.

GB

 

[oldironfarmer]

Good progress on the sheetrock - have you decided whether to fix the insulation installer's tractor?

You have a nice collection now. You must be absolutely brooming with joy!

They want me to fix it, cannot find anybody they trust. They don't really know me

I'm bristling with pride. Starting to look like a broom factory again

The soffit metal looks great Andy, as does the sheet rock.

Thanks I didn't know about the perforated metal until I went and picked up the first load and saw some on the floor. I thought it made the perfect save to my wall height miscalculation

OIF: yes you do make BROOMS. I wonder how many you will make and sell at your friend's Halloween shindig coming up? good way to keep your hands and grip strong.

I wonder too! I have to have lots made or may miss some sales. Now, to define lots...

Arthritis is the broom makers fear, and the doctors agree to work through the pain.

Remember my son's mantra "You have to eat through the pain to get to your second eat"


sorry i've been missing your thread and i love the way you tell stories so i'll try to catch up or just keep up from now and watch as you GET R DONE.

My momma told me to not tell stories, but she's gone now...

I hope you mend your evil ways and stay in touch, when you're not here I just want to give up and go watch soap operas

also nice of you to help your old friend's widow repair her roof. the last roof i helped with my Gramps was 87 and legally blind pulling off old cedar shakes and putting on new ones he hand split. he still did a good part of the work and i blew out 2 pairs of tennis shoes cause the roof was so steep and that was 20 years ago so i don't think at 60 i could do that roof again if i needed to help.

On the roof at 87, wow!

My insurance agent (all insurance, not life, I've never bought life insurance) cautioned me to not get on my roof at my age (she's young) so I called her from the roof, sent her a picture, and told her my ladder had fallen down and I was going to have to jump. I got her settled down before she called 911

loving the insulation and i'll read through to find out the costs or if you didn't mention it was it much more expensive than the rolls?

You must have missed it. I paid $1.05/sq ft, equivalent fiberglass batts were $0.87/sq ft.

Wow, that's it, two months? Gone by so fast. I'm at 3 months and ten days into mine (started June 10th) and, man, I wish I had the help like you do. My project is smaller (in size) but doing it pretty much alone has dragged it out more than I'd like.

I do set schedules for myself but I ALWAYS bite off more than I can chew and have no real clue as to why I set a deadline in the first place. Haha.

Well I'm two months, four days, nine hours and twelve minutes into mine and I just don't know where the time has gone. I was looking forward to enjoying building more space and now it's gone and I have to actually start cleaning. Maybe I need to finish the bare truss building first

 

[oldironfarmer]

Hi Drives, I recommend you start at the start on this one as its a great read and you will enjoy it. However it's very important to remember no beverages at the keyboard though.

GB

Thanks for stopping by, Mr. Grumblebum, such kind comments! I'm glad you guys let me stay around

 

[oldironfarmer]

No shop work today, BROOMS!!

I ran down to Walmart and got some more brooms. I now have fifteen small ones and ten large ones. I think I can make six more big ones tomorrow in time to get loaded for Friday.

Got lot's of people sending me an IM with the title "Broom Sale" so I'll figure out shipping and start quoting prices so they can decide whether they want an Andy Martin broom in spite of the cost

Thanks for the support, guys.

I also made the mistake of looking for cabinets on Craigslist last night and found six Steelcase cabinets in two lots, five of them 36" wide by 18" deep (all 5'5" tall) and one 36 by 24 with half of it a coat closet. Reasonable prices so I bought both lots. Spent five hours going to Tulsa, stopping two places, eating, etc., but a little furniture for the shop has dribbled in. Sorry no pictures!

I may have to label my shop "The 24 Gauge Garage", beat 'ole Jack by double, he's only got 12 gauge

 

[1/2 Cup]

"The 24 Gauge Garage",

I like your style Andy

 

[dlcwent]

I'm still here Andy. I would miss this show for all the tea in China. And I bet you know where that saying came from. And I hope you can tell me, because I think it's a stupid saying. Oh yeah, your shop is looking great. I forgot what this thread was all about for a minute. And don't piss off Jack, he is a Mod.

 

[egnorant]

I thought the smaller number "Gauge" was actually bigger!!??
My shop would be more accurately described by a blast radius method!

Bruce

 

[oldironfarmer]

"The 24 Gauge Garage",

I like your style Andy

Thanks I like your style too

I'm still here Andy. I wouldn't miss this show for all the tea in China. And I bet you know where that saying came from. And I hope you can tell me, because I think it's a stupid saying. Oh yeah, your shop is looking great. I forgot what this thread was all about for a minute. And don't piss off Jack, he is a Mod.

They say the saying came from Australia. We all know Chinese are big tea drinkers, but may not know China is a giant tea producer. So if you wouldn't do something for all the tea in China, or all the coal in Newcastle, or all the sand in the Sahara then you're just not going to do it. Well that's it in a bag, or in the harbor

I thought the smaller number "Gauge" was actually bigger!!??
My shop would be more accurately described by a blast radius method!

Bruce

Ssssh!! Don't tell anyone, I'll look foolish!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Finished up with 14 large brooms today, and the kicker winder looks it. Walking around on broom straw is about like sawdust on the floor.

Getting everything loaded for an early departure tomorrow.

 

[Terrick down Under]

Have a good time and drive safely!

 

[fast823]

No shop work today, BROOMS!!

I ran down to Walmart and got some more brooms. I now have fifteen small ones and ten large ones. I think I can make six more big ones tomorrow in time to get loaded for Friday.

Got lot's of people sending me an IM with the title "Broom Sale" so I'll figure out shipping and start quoting prices so they can decide whether they want an Andy Martin broom in spite of the cost

Thanks for the support, guys.

I also made the mistake of looking for cabinets on Craigslist last night and found six Steelcase cabinets in two lots, five of them 36" wide by 18" deep (all 5'5" tall) and one 36 by 24 with half of it a coat closet. Reasonable prices so I bought both lots. Spent five hours going to Tulsa, stopping two places, eating, etc., but a little furniture for the shop has dribbled in. Sorry no pictures!

I may have to label my shop "The 24 Gauge Garage", beat 'ole Jack by double, he's only got 12 gauge

Where do you get the broom straw for the brooms? I was thinking about growing some broom corn next year along side my ornamental corn. Good progress on shop!

 

[ranger101ran]

I have been on garage journal for many years now.I am not much of a poster but enjoy reading . Between teading your posts and Tom and Kris from restored shop I feel very lazy . I cant belive what you guys do in a day. God bless you

 

[oldironfarmer]

Have a good time and drive safely!

Thank you! I had a pretty good trip!

Where do you get the broom straw for the brooms? I was thinking about growing some broom corn next year along side my ornamental corn. Good progress on shop!

I get my hurl from a broom supply company. Sorted, graded, and cleaned. You know broom corn is not really corn, just kind of a big weed.

I have been on garage journal for many years now.I am not much of a poster but enjoy reading . Between reading your posts and Tom and Kris from restored shop I feel very lazy . I cant believe what you guys do in a day. God bless you

Thomas and Chris are dynamos, I just kind of stumble along and try to get something done. Thanks for the kind words!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Made it out to Fairview in good order, towing my show truck along to drive in the tractor parade they have daily. Unfortunately I am lacking on pictures. Here is my setup early in the morning, the small brooms are not unloaded yet.

This is just outside an overhead door into the museum.

And this is my setup three or four years ago. Look familiar?

Friday is school day and they had a few hundred elementary school kids. I had a great time doing demonstrations and answering questions. The little clear eyes and insightful questions of ten year old's is refreshing. My challenge is to answer their questions so they can understand and so their parents find the same answer humorous. Sometimes I succeed.

Early Saturday morning this is what I had to put up with. I really didn't want to make brooms, just stare at the sky.

Saturday morning they have a tractor drive a mile into town and loop through the nursing home drive. Residents of the nursing home are all lined up along their drive, and lot's of town folks watch the parade. Remember this is a farming town so the folks in the nursing home really understand what they are looking at.

Here I am waiting to join the tractor drive.

You can barely see the smoke and steam in the right background from the steam guys getting their tractors warmed up. They are all on steel so they can't go down the public highway. Probably fifteen steam tractors at the show. Pretty good show for a small town out on the prairie.

Real country people. Here is a teacher lining up her kids for a photo op. How many places would you see this happen in 2016? Personal responsibility, no one thought anything about it (except, perhaps me). Most kids would never get this opportunity.

A few minutes before they were all over the locomotive, including on top of the boiler. Later I saw a dad leading his two year old along the top of the tender.

I go to Fairview once per year. I have no contact with any of the people the rest of the year. I show up and they are expecting me, I move their 120 year old broom machine out of the museum and set it up to make brooms. When I am done, I move it back into the museum display and set it up for another year of static display. I think the machine likes the exercise. The people are great. Regular old country people. No bluff, no bluster. Ladies come by and tell me they are using a broom I sold them several years ago. I don't know any of the names of the workers at the show. I never see family or people I really know there. We see each other once per year and have a very friendly relationship. Once per year. It is strange yet rewarding. Kind of reminds me of "Same Time, Next Year". I worked alongside a rope maker for years. He is gone now and his son has taken his place. I don't know their names, don't need to, we help each other and visit about the kids learning. I won't miss next year if it is possible for me to be there. 214 km from home.

 

[Craptain]

Andy, that is a great description of your trip. I would love to visit a show like that. We don't really have anything like that here, or even within 214km.
We (the Florida Chapter) do have plans for Florida Flywheelers which is the closest I know about.

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[oldironfarmer]

Andy, that is a great description of your trip. I would love to visit a show like that. We don't really have anything like that here, or even within 214km.
We (the Florida Chapter) do have plans for Florida Flywheelers which is the closest I know about.

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I've seen pictures of the Florida Flywheelers modest get together and think you would have a fine time there. A bunch of really nice guys with an amazing array of equipment.

 

[1953mercury]

Just went through your build thread and thoroughly enjoyed it, and youve done a great job chronicling the adventure. Looks like you are going to have a great space there. Seems I've been working on mine for ever, but finally getting close. Mike

 

[Vieux]

Finished up with 14 large brooms today, and the kicker winder looks it. Walking around on broom straw is about like sawdust on the floor.

Getting everything loaded for an early departure tomorrow.

A very interesting machine. I would like to see how it works.