Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[oldironfarmer]

He really isn't telling any bull it did rain all day here.

You sir need a rotisserie for that stud.

I just call it as I see it, I saw rain all day and I saw no bull

Doctor visits yesterday... What fun!!

 

[dchance]

Well today should be great sunshine and great temperatures

Good progress on the studebaker and it is nice to see different ways to solve a problem.

Dwight

 

[oldironfarmer]

He really isn't telling any bull it did rain all day here.

You sir need a rotisserie for that stud.

I missed commenting on a rotisserie. I am interested in any suggestions. I can see holding a frame in a rotisserie, how do you attach a cab? Maybe through the mounting points to a false frame, but I'm working on the mounting brackets. I would appreciate suggestions as to how that could be done. Thanks!!

Well today should be great sunshine and great temperatures

Good progress on the studebaker and it is nice to see different ways to solve a problem.

Dwight

Today was spectacular! I had a visitor this morning who wanted to change out a u-joint in a drive shaft. Took us an hour. Reminded me of something about two monkeys and a football...

U-joint work and visit took until noon, it was so beautiful I got the blue car (1937 Chevy) out and took my wife to the Dari-Diner for lunch, then to Sonic for ice cream, then the grocery store for sunflower seed. Our hummingbirds finally left September 28 (was that only yesterday?) and my wife cannot wait to put out sunflower seed for the winter feed fest. We feed up to 50# per week through the winter, one of my dear wife's favorite things. I hung three feeders and filled them. She is happy now, waiting for cardinals.

I spent a little time on the Studebaker. Tried heat shrinking the bowed floor panel but I don't think it was restrained enough. I did get it hot and worked over it a lot but my inexperience did not help. I did improve it some, but not down to the floor brace underneath. So I drilled through the brace into the floor and used a small bolt to pull it into place.

Only after I had it pulled down did I realize there was supposed to be a bend in the middle of the patch plate. It falls into an old saying I made up "All's well that ends".

Then I turned to cleaning up the bottom of the driver's (left) side front door post. With the rust and welds it is tough to tell where the skin quits and the rusted out reinforcement starts.

A little patience I think I got it mostly cleaned off. But before I start putting the structure back together, the rusted out skin needs to be addressed. Rust holes show up better in the previous picture, left side.

Made a paper form and cut out a piece of metal. Used a stepped drill to open up the curve at the end of a slot.

A little grinding and I'm ready to shape.

My excuse for this piece is that it is down under the curve of the fender. (Thought I'd let you know in advance I have an out if I do a sorry job)

At least I did some damage today

Bought me a Coke and got a Cherry Coke. I have spread some of them in the machine so it's a pleasant surprise when one comes out.

Thanks for visiting.

 

[dreamingmuscle]

I've seen some people use two engine stands for a rotisserie. The cab mounts is where I would look first to bolt it to but it needs to be tall enough to spin all the way around and mounted so the center of gravity is balanced to where the the piece won't self rotate easily. I'm sure there's lots of information out here on the net.

Looks like some use the door hinge and striker mounts too. That looks like it would be easier to balance the cab.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tru...6cvWAhVFjlQKHcLXB2gQ_AUIESgB&biw=800&bih=1232

 

[dreamingmuscle]

Bought me a Coke and got a Cherry Coke. I have spread some of them in the machine so it's a pleasant surprise when one comes out.

Thanks for visiting.

My wife did that but with Pepsi the day before yesterday.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: first of all congrats on taking a day and having some fun with your bride and sounds like the weather cooperated too.

when i read the post about the rotisserie i didn't go with the thinking of the car or truck version and thought it was something about your BULL. i hope he's ok as i know you do. can a snake or some insects cause that leg to swell up like that or is or was it maybe a cut?

crossing fingers and toes.

also in case you haven't seen Don's posts he has brought his cars back home and dusted them off and they are back in their preferred location. there is some talk about making his own fire station and having his own volunteer fire department in case this happens again, but hopefully it will not.

cheers

 

[bolensboneyard]

I've seen some people use two engine stands for a rotisserie. The cab mounts is where I would look first to bolt it to but it needs to be tall enough to spin all the way around and mounted so the center of gravity is balanced to where the the piece won't self rotate easily. I'm sure there's lots of information out here on the net.

Looks like some use the door hinge and striker mounts too. That looks like it would be easier to balance the cab.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tru...6cvWAhVFjlQKHcLXB2gQ_AUIESgB&biw=800&bih=1232

Now that's a great idea.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I've seen some people use two engine stands for a rotisserie. The cab mounts is where I would look first to bolt it to but it needs to be tall enough to spin all the way around and mounted so the center of gravity is balanced to where the the piece won't self rotate easily. I'm sure there's lots of information out here on the net.

Looks like some use the door hinge and striker mounts too. That looks like it would be easier to balance the cab.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tru...6cvWAhVFjlQKHcLXB2gQ_AUIESgB&biw=800&bih=1232

Wow! What a link!! Why didn't I think to just search?

But lots of great ideas. I like spinning the cab about a centerline through the doors. My left driver's door post being loose at the bottom kind of has me stymied right now, but when I get that tied in I'm seeing lot's of options. Thanks again

My wife did that but with Pepsi the day before yesterday.

Andy: first of all congrats on taking a day and having some fun with your bride and sounds like the weather cooperated too.

when i read the post about the rotisserie i didn't go with the thinking of the car or truck version and thought it was something about your BULL. i hope he's ok as i know you do. can a snake or some insects cause that leg to swell up like that or is or was it maybe a cut?

crossing fingers and toes.

also in case you haven't seen Don's posts he has brought his cars back home and dusted them off and they are back in their preferred location. there is some talk about making his own fire station and having his own volunteer fire department in case this happens again, but hopefully it will not.

cheers

Thanks, Drives! We had a great drive and enjoyed it immensely.

Still no word on the bull. Not good news.

You bet I stay up with Don. No, that's a lie, I could never stay up with Don, but I do stay up with Don's thread. Saw a great comment from another post, the poster said "just a comment from the cheap seats" and that's me watching Don's thread from the cheap seats.

Now that's a great idea.

Just amazing what people think of, isn't it? I need to come up with a design I can adapt to cabs, beds, bodies, and frames and still be pretty light and not take up too much space. Although cut and weld of the fixture is about as fast as trying to make adjustable arms to fit multiple applications. So I'm thinking something simple that you just weld up new brackets for each application.

Thanks for the visits, everyone!!

 

[Ole Slewfoot]

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=192185

Another approach

 

[oldironfarmer]

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=192185

Another approach

That's an interesting concept. I like the idea of having it set on the floor and rolling it by hand. That may be the way to go.

Thanks!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Had a pretty good Saturday.

Pounded on the piece of sheet metal in the shot bag until it was bent.

Then worked on it on a 4" pipe cap

Got it reasonably close in vertical profile

And horizontal profile

It's not a perfect fit but pretty close. Here it is stuck in the opening by friction.

Used magnets to steady it. I don't like fact that the magnets magnetize the sheet metal so the filler wire wants to stick to it. Not sure how it is affecting the welding, if at all.

Made four tacks and stopped.

I was too eager to get the floor panel welded in and put too much heat into it. Going to go very slow with this little patch piece. Part of the learning process.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[dreamingmuscle]

Well **** I went to a convenience store today to grab two sodas for the son and I; and wouldn't you know I grabbed him a Cherry Pepsi instead of a regular one. The difference in the labeling is minimal at best.

Slew foots link is cool but it looks like theres a bunch of cross bracing in the way, if one is trying to do metal repair to the floor of the cab.

Being on wheels and being able to push it out of the way is invaluable though.

Of course if you're out of scrap iron you could make it out of wood.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wQwqsBCFgwDA&usg=AOvVaw2VmyTqVkCRj8cIpsw7zemw

 

[oldironfarmer]

Well **** I went to a convenience store today to grab two sodas for the son and I; and wouldn't you know I grabbed him a Cherry Pepsi instead of a regular one. The difference in the labeling is minimal at best.

Slew foots link is cool but it looks like theres a bunch of cross bracing in the way, if one is trying to do metal repair to the floor of the cab.

Being on wheels and being able to push it out of the way is invaluable though.

Of course if you're out of scrap iron you could make it out of wood.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wQwqsBCFgwDA&usg=AOvVaw2VmyTqVkCRj8cIpsw7zemw

The curse of the cherries

Lot's of ideas, I'm still stewing over what I want to make for rolling the cab. Seems like being limited to 90 degree rolls is not ideal, though.

Thanks for the link!

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: just checking in and making sure you are awake. speaking of that since you've become or maybe always where a farmer even when you were working in the oil business do you wake up at 5am and just get going cause there is always a lot of stuff to do on a farm?

i won't ask about the BULL again and just saying a prayer that he is self healing in a muddy creek with one of your heifers (sp?).

great looking fab work on that last piece and i hope you figure out an easier way to get at the bottom of your truck with all the talk about a rotisserie.

since you are so good with a camera and you seem to always have one in your pocket or maybe you are using your cell phone can you take any pictures of your bird feeders with maybe a CARDINAL there or hummingbirds are always cool too? I think the only Cardinal i can recall is the one on the St. Louis baseball's team's jerseys unless i google some up. we have woodpeckers and bluejays up here along with eagles, herons, hawks and of course the crows that might run the earth some day.

have a great SUNDAY!!

 

[crusinlumb]

we'll i don't comment much on this forum, but i have to today. i look forward to your progress on what ever project your working on. Even more so, on the way you tackle problems. It really reminds me of the way my Portuges co-workers would tackle problems. to me its completely out of the normal.!!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy: just checking in and making sure you are awake. speaking of that since you've become or maybe always where a farmer even when you were working in the oil business do you wake up at 5am and just get going cause there is always a lot of stuff to do on a farm?

i won't ask about the BULL again and just saying a prayer that he is self healing in a muddy creek with one of your heifers (sp?).

great looking fab work on that last piece and i hope you figure out an easier way to get at the bottom of your truck with all the talk about a rotisserie.

since you are so good with a camera and you seem to always have one in your pocket or maybe you are using your cell phone can you take any pictures of your bird feeders with maybe a CARDINAL there or hummingbirds are always cool too? I think the only Cardinal i can recall is the one on the St. Louis baseball's team's jerseys unless i google some up. we have woodpeckers and bluejays up here along with eagles, herons, hawks and of course the crows that might run the earth some day.

have a great SUNDAY!!

Hi Drives! Funniest thing, I got up at 4:30 for years and years. Now that I'm retired I get up just before dawn and don't try to do much until after I've fixed breakfast for my wife.

Still no news on the bull, however.

Thanks for the kind comment. After all the suggestions I've decided to stop work and make some kind of rotisserie.

I only use my cell phone for GJ pictures even though I have a nice camera. No cardinals yet this year, here's some old pictures:

You have to look close to see them, and closer to see the brown females

We will typically have 40 red cardinals and 40 females at a time. We love feeding them.

Hummingbird pictures I've taken

Hey! You asked...

we'll i don't comment much on this forum, but i have to today. i look forward to your progress on what ever project your working on. Even more so, on the way you tackle problems. It really reminds me of the way my Portuges co-workers would tackle problems. to me its completely out of the normal.!!!

Thanks for commenting!

My kind wife also believes I'm abnormal...

 

[oldironfarmer]

Worked on the cab a bit this afternoon.

Doubled up the tacks,

Then sanded them flush, then tacked some more.

While sanding I noticed my fit was not too good at the upper left corner. Obviously it was not shaped well. While it can be filled, it would have been easier to correct it before welding. Part of the problem is the piece is close to the upright on the crane and I am having to work from the side. That and I was doing sloppy work.

Decided to stop work on the cab and take the advice to build a rotisserie. It should be quicker to roll the cab back and forth but primarily I can get away from being restrained by the width of the crane.

First I wanted to locate the center of gravity. Henry's engineers did that by putting the car on a platform hanging from a chain and swinging it like a pendulum. It is a law of nature that the time a pendulum takes to swing is based on it's length, not it's weight (so long as it is heavy enough and slow enough that wind resistance is negligible). That's why you adjust a grandfather clock by turning a nut to adjust the height of the weight. I wasn't sure they chose the simple method.

I chose to hang my cab from one side, then the other, and mark vertical lines (which will go through the center of gravity). The center of gravity is where the lines cross. If I can mount the cab at exactly the center of gravity it takes very little force to turn it and hold it in position. Being off the center of gravity is ok, but it is nice to know where it is.

If the cab weighs 200# and the center of rotation is 1 foot from the center of gravity, then that will be 200 ft lbs of torque required to hold it at the most out of balance position. Pushing on the cab 3 feet from the center of rotation would take 70 lbs to hold or push it. A pin to hold it in position on a 2-3/8" diameter hinge pipe would have to hold 2,000 lbs to keep the cab from turning. I would want a 1/2" pin.

If, on the other hand, the center of gravity is 4" off the center of rotation that would would be 67 ft lbs which would take 22 pounds to push or hold three feet away. And the keeper pin would have to hold 675 lbs. A 1/4" pin would hold that. (I'll still use a 1/2" or 5/8" pin.)

OK, but I care.

One side from the back (left edge of the tape lined up with the chain)

The front (right edge of the tape lined up with the chain)

Leaned the other way (tape is not lined up too good)

And the back (tape is not lined up too good here either)

I think my tape will give me the center of gravity within an inch or two.

I'm going to look for cheap engine stands to use to save time, but may fab everything. Measuring the cab it looks like 48" from the center of rotation to the floor will work, and that seems like it would be a reasonable height, even if I need to use a low bench sometimes.

Here we go!!

 

[Farmall450]

Looking good sir.

Hopefully the bull turns up.

 

[don long]

I like your rule of thumb measuring. Using the door hinge mount is pretty good idea I don't think I would have thought of that. I was reading back a page or 2 when I saw your rotisserie post. I wanted to stop and post but decided to finish reading first. Glad I did cause I think you're on to something without my help. I did get an urge to want to help with the fab work. I miss doing that.
It looks like you are getting the hang of it.

Good luck with the project
And thanks for your concern about the fire

Don

 

[Terrick down Under]

Fab work can muck around with your head sometimes, ut the rewards are more than worth it. Love your work.

 

[krcoomer]

since you are so good with a camera and you seem to always have one in your pocket or maybe you are using your cell phone can you take any pictures of your bird feeders with maybe a CARDINAL there or hummingbirds are always cool too? I think the only Cardinal i can recall is the one on the St. Louis baseball's team's jerseys unless i google some up. we have woodpeckers and bluejays up here along with eagles, herons, hawks and of course the crows that might run the earth some day.

have a great SUNDAY!!

Drives: I guess I take it for granted and have to stop to remember that cardinals are migratory birds. It seems we have them around most all year long but now that I think about it I don't seem to have seen more than one or two in a few months. They are beautiful and really pop out on a snowy landscape though. You worry about the crows running the earth and I figure it will be English starlings. Differences in geography.

Andy: I ALWAYS learn something on this thread and this morning it has been about pendulums. Looking forward to seeing how your rotisserie looks. At your pace I figure the Studebaker will be spinning by lunchtime Saturday. Since you have 6 Saturdays that should be a reality.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Worked on the cab a bit this afternoon.

Doubled up the tacks,

Then sanded them flush, then tacked some more.

While sanding I noticed my fit was not too good at the upper left corner. Obviously it was not shaped well. While it can be filled, it would have been easier to correct it before welding. Part of the problem is the piece is close to the upright on the crane and I am having to work from the side. That and I was doing sloppy work.

Decided to stop work on the cab and take the advice to build a rotisserie. It should be quicker to roll the cab back and forth but primarily I can get away from being restrained by the width of the crane.

First I wanted to locate the center of gravity. Henry's engineers did that by putting the car on a platform hanging from a chain and swinging it like a pendulum. It is a law of nature that the time a pendulum takes to swing is based on it's length, not it's weight (so long as it is heavy enough and slow enough that wind resistance is negligible). That's why you adjust a grandfather clock by turning a nut to adjust the height of the weight. I wasn't sure they chose the simple method.

I chose to hang my cab from one side, then the other, and mark vertical lines (which will go through the center of gravity). The center of gravity is where the lines cross. If I can mount the cab at exactly the center of gravity it takes very little force to turn it and hold it in position. Being off the center of gravity is ok, but it is nice to know where it is.

If the cab weighs 200# and the center of rotation is 1 foot from the center of gravity, then that will be 200 ft lbs of torque required to hold it at the most out of balance position. Pushing on the cab 3 feet from the center of rotation would take 70 lbs to hold or push it. A pin to hold it in position on a 2-3/8" diameter hinge pipe would have to hold 2,000 lbs to keep the cab from turning. I would want a 1/2" pin.

If, on the other hand, the center of gravity is 4" off the center of rotation that would would be 67 ft lbs which would take 22 pounds to push or hold three feet away. And the keeper pin would have to hold 675 lbs. A 1/4" pin would hold that. (I'll still use a 1/2" or 5/8" pin.)

OK, but I care.

One side from the back (left edge of the tape lined up with the chain)

The front (right edge of the tape lined up with the chain)

Leaned the other way (tape is not lined up too good)

And the back (tape is not lined up too good here either)

I think my tape will give me the center of gravity within an inch or two.

I'm going to look for cheap engine stands to use to save time, but may fab everything. Measuring the cab it looks like 48" from the center of rotation to the floor will work, and that seems like it would be a reasonable height, even if I need to use a low bench sometimes.

Here we go!!

Andy since you have an overhead why not extend a heavy wall pipe through the door openings pivoting on a couple of braces welded between the jambs which are the weak points on a cab anyway. Put the lift eyes on either side and roll the cab between two chain falls, or cables, suspended from trolleys?

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: thanks a bunch for the bird pictures and that has to be a pretty site especially in the winter with all the leaves off the trees and snow on the ground.

best of luck on the Studabaker turning methods. I like Bobby's idea and wondering if maybe you can set up two or maybe 3 hoists to get a few more lifting points?

KC: we have starlings too and sometimes wonder how all those birds survive. I honestly think the crows have eaten the starlings, but i'm training my cat to eat the crows now so stay tuned.

Cheers everybody

 

[dchance]

Andy,
Saw your comment about the 90 on the rotisserie so thought I would point to a different solution.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/530909-my-alternative-rotisserie.html

Dwight

 

[oldironfarmer]

Looking good sir.

Hopefully the bull turns up.

I looked for him today. Didn't find him or smell him.

I like your rule of thumb measuring. Using the door hinge mount is pretty good idea I don't think I would have thought of that. I was reading back a page or 2 when I saw your rotisserie post. I wanted to stop and post but decided to finish reading first. Glad I did cause I think you're on to something without my help. I did get an urge to want to help with the fab work. I miss doing that.
It looks like you are getting the hang of it.

Good luck with the project
And thanks for your concern about the fire

Don

Thanks for the comments, Don. I'd still like to hear your ideas. There really is no best solution, just lots of different ones.

By the fab work, do mean patch panels? Just drop on by and give me a few days' help and it will save me several months of stumbling.

My shop burned in '89.

Fab work can muck around with your head sometimes, but the rewards are more than worth it. Love your work.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm stumbling along but having a grand time of it. It is so much fun I'm not worried about a schedule. My grand daughter will still like it when she is forty something.

Drives: I guess I take it for granted and have to stop to remember that cardinals are migratory birds. It seems we have them around most all year long but now that I think about it I don't seem to have seen more than one or two in a few months. They are beautiful and really pop out on a snowy landscape though. You worry about the crows running the earth and I figure it will be English starlings. Differences in geography.

Andy: I ALWAYS learn something on this thread and this morning it has been about pendulums. Looking forward to seeing how your rotisserie looks. At your pace I figure the Studebaker will be spinning by lunchtime Saturday. Since you have 6 Saturdays that should be a reality.

I've always thought pendulums were real swingers. Still don't think I'd use one to check for center of gravity.

You're spot on, I'm expecting to have the rotisserie done on Saturday.

Andy since you have an overhead why not extend a heavy wall pipe through the door openings pivoting on a couple of braces welded between the jambs which are the weak points on a cab anyway. Put the lift eyes on either side and roll the cab between two chain falls, or cables, suspended from trolleys?

If I'm understanding you I think the pipe would have to be right on the center of gravity to work easily. Maybe I'm not understanding. In any event, it got me to thinking about using the support columns of the crane structure to hold said pivot pipe. Unfortunately I'm still limited to working between the crane structure. I set about to build a rotisserie today which should work for frames as well. We'll see. And I should be able to hold the cab longitudinally or transversely.

Thanks for the comments.

Andy: thanks a bunch for the bird pictures and that has to be a pretty site especially in the winter with all the leaves off the trees and snow on the ground.

best of luck on the Studebaker turning methods. I like Bobby's idea and wondering if maybe you can set up two or maybe 3 hoists to get a few more lifting points?

KC: we have starlings too and sometimes wonder how all those birds survive. I honestly think the crows have eaten the starlings, but i'm training my cat to eat the crows now so stay tuned.

Cheers everybody

Thanks for stopping in, Drives!

We have starlings and crows. The crows are very smart but I have to be careful or I'll be a raven, and wind up getting rooked out of a reasonable response so I'm just going to stop before I crow.

Andy,
Saw your comment about the 90 on the rotisserie so thought I would point to a different solution.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/530909-my-alternative-rotisserie.html

Dwight

I was seeing the possibility of a 45 degree stop as well. I noticed the Porsche design was using a stop to hold it at 45. one of the issues is keeping the center of gravity between the pivot points. Neat design.

I've decided to build a more conventional rotisserie primarily to allow full access to the outside and also adaptable to frames.

Thanks for all the interest guys.

First thing this morning I fed cows. It's a little early, but drought has left them a little thin and I'm going to try to improve their condition before harsh weather. Hershey has been taught to not get in the barn and pen with the cows. So now she sits at attention waiting for me to come out of the barn. Who could not love that girl?

Then I went looking for rotisserie materials. Decided to use 6" I-beam, since I have lots. Decided to make T sections from the beam instead of square tubing (which I have very little of).

14' 8" of 6" I-beam 12.5#/ft weighs about 180 lbs. I used to be able to carry one but thought about getting Bob and his forks. Then decided to use a two wheel dolly like a log dolly.

The beam fell off after moving four feet so I tied it on

Hershey supervised the whole operation and lost interest as it went into the shop. She is not supposed to come into the shop either (I'm worried about eye damage and ear damage).

Then I found some 2" pipe and 2-1/2" pipe. 2" (2-3/8" OD) fits into 2-1/2" (2-7/8" OD) nicely. I plan to use the telescoping pipe to adjust pivot height.

This won't be pretty, hopefully it will be functional.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I'm still new at using the plasma torch. I'm finding i have to have it guided to get good results.

Laid out my T sections. Turned out I can get two T's from one piece without even staggering the pieces.

Using a 3/16"x1" flat bar made a nice guide after a few ugly starts.

A little grinding and we have a tapered T section to mount casters under.

This is how the 2-1/2" pipe will act as a crossmember between two T's with an upright in the middle.

Short day today, had to go to court to testify against the burglar who cut a hot water tank and A/C unit from one of my houses. Who would steal an old hot water tank? Maybe he wanted to build a foundry furnace...

 

[oldironfarmer]

Right now I'm planning to use a chain drive to roll the rotisserie. So I went shopping to look for a large sprocket that will handle a substantial roller chain. Out of all the junk around I found this.

This is the reel drive sprocket on an old New Holland 490 Haybine. My hand is for scale, I forgot a tape. I bought the Haybine in 1985 at auction, fixed it up and used it for a few years. It had lots of problems and repair was going to be much more expensive than replacement. So it has sat for 30 years occasionally having parts scavenged from it. This will just be one more. I think it uses a #50 roller chain and is about 16" in diameter.

My plan is to put this sprocket on one of the rotisserie ends and run a chain to a small sprocket. Then put a long handle on the small sprocket and crank it several times to rotate the body 90 degrees. Plan is to lock the handle to hold the body in place. If I put a 3" small sprocket on it that will equate to a five to one mechanical advantage. So a one foot handle would take the same effort as pushing the cab five feet from the pivot point. This cab is less than four feet at the farthest point. #50 chain is large chain. It has almost 5,000 lbs breaking strength. If I use five to one safety factor I can put 1,000 lbs on the chain safely. A three inch sprocket with a one foot handle multiplies the handle force by a factor of 8 so it would take 125 pounds of pull on the handle to put 1,000 lb load on the chain.

Assuming I succeed in getting the pivots within one foot of the center of gravity, 1,000 lb chain load on a 16" sprocket would be generated by a 667 lb load one foot off center, or a 1,334 lb load 6" off center.

The chain and crank idea came about when I was visualizing trying to roll an offcenter cab and trying to hold it while putting a pin in to hold it in position.

Maybe someone is interested in the arithmetic behind my selection of components. Maybe not.

 

[Bob Heine]

Maybe someone is interested in the arithmetic behind my selection of components. Maybe not.

Andy, I don't know what this arithmetic you speak of does but it sounds interesting. I ask my computer to figure things out but not knowing what to ask it gives me stupid answers. In the end I use SWAG -- not the offroad fabrication company -- the Scientific Wild *** Guess method.

 

[BUGTHUG]

I have wanted to build one to use on my VW bus. I was going to use the round wheel off some big spools that had PVC pipe on it. About 10 years ago a company from Arkansas came thru laying this PVC pipe for the phone company to start laying fiber optic inside. It was a few days before Thanksgiving, and they had about 30 of these big wheels laying in the ditch. It was about a block from my farm, so I went and ask them what they were going to do with the empty wheels. The guy said I don't know, it cost more to haul them back home than they are worth. I said well I would sure take them, he said" take em"
So I got my car trailer and they helped me roll them up, I strapped them down and brought them home. It took about 4 trips, but it worked out fine. I gave a bunch away to friends, and keep about 10 of them. They are around 8' diameter, and just big enough to put my bus inside.

 

[dreamingmuscle]

Andy, I don't know what this arithmetic you speak of does but it sounds interesting. I ask my computer to figure things out but not knowing what to ask it gives me stupid answers. In the end I use SWAG -- not the offroad fabrication company -- the Scientific Wild *** Guess method.

Swag is what I use for math too. I do the new math they are teaching. Now days in my head. I would not recommend it no one, but it works for me.

 

[drivesitfar]

ANDY: while you are figuring out the rotisserie and getting lots of ideas from members might i ask how you can feed all these birds all those sunflower seeds (50 pounds a week i think you said) without getting any rodents (rats, mice, squirrels) or the damn crows?

i used to feed the blue jays shelled peanuts and they squawked like they were starving all the time or maybe they thought i was hard of hearing. anyway i would have had a rodent problem if not for our cats.

do you have any cats or just HERSHEY who BTW sounds and looks like a great chocolate lab or what breed is he?

cheers and hope you are having a great day. if you get a chance to check out the GET HEALTHY thread i'm posting up a little mailbox cedar stand I'm building and would love to have a few posts with you CROWING about how good a cook you are or what you think helps give you energy that is seemingly ENDLESS. here's the link and 1/2 Cup just posted over there and we'll try to fatten him up as he gets off the Cheemo hopefully. no pressure and just want to see a few more of your posts.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=298568

cheers

 

[shortykorte]

One day when I'm feeling smart, the math on the torque and leverage would be interesting to learn.
I see Kruse Energy is having an auction in Ok City. Would you mind stopping in and see if they have any energy they could send my way. I bet 1/2 cup would like a little too.


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[oldironfarmer]

Andy, I don't know what this arithmetic you speak of does but it sounds interesting. I ask my computer to figure things out but not knowing what to ask it gives me stupid answers. In the end I use SWAG -- not the offroad fabrication company -- the Scientific Wild *** Guess method.

A computer can sure give you the wrong answers but with great accuracy!

I have wanted to build one to use on my VW bus. I was going to use the round wheel off some big spools that had PVC pipe on it. About 10 years ago a company from Arkansas came thru laying this PVC pipe for the phone company to start laying fiber optic inside. It was a few days before Thanksgiving, and they had about 30 of these big wheels laying in the ditch. It was about a block from my farm, so I went and ask them what they were going to do with the empty wheels. The guy said I don't know, it cost more to haul them back home than they are worth. I said well I would sure take them, he said" take em"
So I got my car trailer and they helped me roll them up, I strapped them down and brought them home. It took about 4 trips, but it worked out fine. I gave a bunch away to friends, and keep about 10 of them. They are around 8' diameter, and just big enough to put my bus inside.

Seems like you had mentioned those spools earlier. Maybe on your thread. They should make a nice cage to roll your bus. When do you start? We need pictures!

Swag is what I use for math too. I do the new math they are teaching. Now days in my head. I would not recommend it no one, but it works for me.

New math came about too late even for my son to learn it.

I learned my ciphers with chalk on a small board.

ANDY: while you are figuring out the rotisserie and getting lots of ideas from members might i ask how you can feed all these birds all those sunflower seeds (50 pounds a week i think you said) without getting any rodents (rats, mice, squirrels) or the damn crows?

i used to feed the blue jays shelled peanuts and they squawked like they were starving all the time or maybe they thought i was hard of hearing. anyway i would have had a rodent problem if not for our cats.

do you have any cats or just HERSHEY who BTW sounds and looks like a great chocolate lab or what breed is he?

cheers and hope you are having a great day. if you get a chance to check out the GET HEALTHY thread i'm posting up a little mailbox cedar stand I'm building and would love to have a few posts with you CROWING about how good a cook you are or what you think helps give you energy that is seemingly ENDLESS. here's the link and 1/2 Cup just posted over there and we'll try to fatten him up as he gets off the Cheemo hopefully. no pressure and just want to see a few more of your posts.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=298568

cheers

I have a rodent proof box I built to keep dog food and bird seed on the front porch. But we live in the country, there are squirrels, rabbits, field mice, and rats everywhere. I regularly get them in the shop and rarely in the house. The birds eat all the kernels out of the sunflower seed so although I wind up with several inches of hulls on the sidewalk under the feeders there is nothing there to eat.

Birds that like straight sunflower seed seem to be limited to a few species. Cardinals, of course, titmouse, nut hatches, some finches, and buntings. And we have one weird woodpecker who comes to visit.

We do have a few feral cats around, none that we feed. I see them rarely. Usually sunning on a hay bale on a warm winter's day.

Hershey is probably majority lab, with a little pit bull mixed in (her head looks a little rounded for a lab). Like all our dogs, she picked us, we have no idea where she came came from. She has proven to be adept at digging out moles and killing them. We see no rabbits hanging around after she arrived. But the squirrels are still working the pecan tree and stealing dog food from Hershey's bowl. He's a she, by the way.

And, she is a very helpful girl. While I was gone to exercise this evening someone delivered a box from Eastwood. Hershey drug it over to the shop and proceeded to open it. Two cans of weld through primer and a plasma consumables kit. I've never given her a knife or scissors (not really me being stingy, she has no fingers) so she had to gnaw the box open in her desperation to help. However, the contents were totally undamaged. My girl

I've seen your mailbox stand. Doing great.

Have not visited the Get Healthy thread, as I thought I was already pretty healthy, and nobody wants to hear how much three hours of vigorous aerobic exercise every week will do for you. They already know, and it is a time commitment that very few guys want to make. More women do, but still not that many. Yesterday afternoon I packed a ton of feed (40 bags) up the stairs and into the caboose for storage then two hours later went to Zumba. Had more energy than usual.

One day when I'm feeling smart, the math on the torque and leverage would be interesting to learn.
I see Kruse Energy is having an auction in Ok City. Would you mind stopping in and see if they have any energy they could send my way. I bet 1/2 cup would like a little too.


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You won't like to hear it, but torque calculations are incredibly simple once you learn the basics, which are few.

Practically free energy at Zumba classes, by the way.

Unbelievable bargains in oil field equipment these days if you have some spare cash to invest.


Not much shop time today. I did spend three hours mowing pasture with an old Farmall H. Great weather!!

I did get my support Tees ground smooth.

Trimmed the 2-1/2" pipe to 48" long. The chop saw supports work great.

Laid out the first frame and ready to weld. A vertical pipe in the center of the cross pipe will support the rotisserie pivot. A lockable caster will go under each end of each Tee.

Doctor's appointment tomorrow so maybe I'll get some afternoon shop time in.

Thanks for the visits!

 

[dlcwent]

Hey Andy. I probably won't be able to catch up on all that I've missed over the past few weeks. But as usual, you are still amazing me. I've always wanted a rotisserie but never did anything but dream about it. I'm sure you'll be loving it.

Hope you have a good doctor's visit (if there is such a thing)

 

[bj383ss]

Andy I can't wait to see this monster rotisserie come to life. When I did the work on my truck cab I welded in the rockers first and then flipped her on her back to do the bottom and top of the cab.

I feel fortunate that my truck has available patch panels for just about everything as you are hand making yours. I have been welding up patches on my front fenders and now bed panels the last couple of days.

Bret

 

[xtremek]

I'm definitely going to follow the rotisserie build. I've got some plans in the back of my mind where this could come in handy.

 

[Finallygotit]

What I find amazing is that if Andy needs to build something, he walks out in the field to find his supplies and raw materials.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: I hope your Dr. appt. goes well today!!

i didn't know if all those twisters and tornadoes kept the rat, mice and general rodent population in your part of the world under control, but it sounds like you have the same issues all of us do and you call it just life's little challenges and deal with it likes its no big deal.

of course if you told everybody that working out a little every week would extend their life they'd want to start a discussion telling you why it wouldn't rather than working out and some just have to see the results and you sir have plenty of energy even with your health issues that seem to be doing ok now.

even though i try to help some of the guys to quit drinking Soda i'd still probably reach for a dime and buy a Coke if i ever show up at your place to have a drink with you.

have a great day.

 

[-Brent-]

What I find amazing is that if Andy needs to build something, he walks out in the field to find his supplies and raw materials.

I think the same thing!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, its going to take me a month of Sundays to catch up with what you have been up to of late but I will get there.

Your rotisserie build looks the goods and you will not know yourself when its finished...

Regards