Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[oldironfarmer]

Love it when a plan comes together.

HF stuff is getting better. Some stuff is almost shop quality. My son is a mopar master tech and he really likes his HF radiator pressure tester.

He also likes the extendable handle ratchet. He brakes it now and then but HF exchanges it no questions asked. He says its like a ratchet and breaker bar in one. Other things he has and swares by are the 4 piece heavy duty prybar set, the low profile plastic creeper an the 20 ton press.

I have and used the cheap 13 dollar oscillating multi tool on the job for years never burned one up. Did wear out the small dowel pins that hold the blades. (My fault I didn't keep the blade tight.) Yes my new dewalt multi tool is 25 times better, quieter and more comfortable. Not to mention the ease of blade changes. But the dewalt is $150 & as mentioned above the HF version can be found for $13 bucks.

Glen

I really like the Pittsburgh polished wrenches. They seem to fit well and I haven't bent one yet. I'll look for their extended ratchet. I have a Stanley brand from Walmart several years old and it's my favorite ratchet. Just extend it if you need a cheater.

Thanks for the comments.

Andy: since i'm as big as a BEAR i thought Hershey might take a chunk out of my leg if i put one foot inside your shop.

sorry i didn't leave you any molasses cookies (we called them grampa's cookies cause he ate them all the time), but here's a picture of some you can hang next to the coke machine.

the traveling TRUCK LATHE into your outdoor sandblasting cabinet looks like it worked pretty well.

good to see the bull might just prove the VET'S wrong who thought he should be put down. crossing fingers for you and your bull.

cheers

Hershey will just love you to death...

I was going to lift the cab with the crane and move it closer to the door so Bob could grab it. But decided to roll it closer on the lathe. Then got the wild hair to use some scrap sheeting and it worked well. Rolled off one time but not hard to get it back on. Went back in real easy.

Gentle Hopping Bull has a nice ring to it.
It is good that you have so many Saturdays with all the things you got going on.

I check in almost every day, sometimes more than once. Your thread is one of the best on here.
Thanks for taking the time to keep us all informed of your activities.

Thanks for stopping by!!

I'm hoping on the hopping bull. And I think the hopping bull is hoping to get back into the pasture, I've thought about hopping on the hoping hopping bull. I wonder if he's hoping for that so he can show me a good time?

Yesterday we bought some milk at SubWay to go with our cookies. Had a picture of a cow heading a soccer ball. I was confused, asked my wife, what is this? "A soccer playing cow" or "A cow playing soccer"? She thought they were both right but it can't be, they are seemingly opposing statements. It occupied us most of the day. Ahhh, retirement!

Molasses cookies, Grandma Korte cookies. Yummy.
The bull can ask the Vet "where you get that bull &@?# that I wasn't going to make it.
Blasting your work areas should make work a lot better. Good job.


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Probably he won't have a chance to talk to the nay saying vet. Probably the vet would not listen to a bunch of bull anyway.

Good to hear the bull is improving. I must admit that I probably would have "hurried him on down to Hardee's", as my former Beef Cattle Management professor from NCSU used to say. Like Farmall 450, I'd like for you to keep us posted on the bandsaw. We have one that looks identical in the farm shop, that Dad purchased new at a local "liquidation auction" back in the 80's. It is painted black, but has the same stamped legs with the same round bar handle for moving it. It really looks identical other than the color. The drive pulley shield was plastic, and is long gone. It has made thousands of cuts, and gone through hundreds of blades. Dad told me the other day that we needed to replace it, since it is getting rather worn out. If a new one lasts as long as the current one, it will be my son's turn to buy a new one, as he is 8, about my age when Dad bought the one he has! It truly has been great, to be an import saw... You didn't post a pic of your sandblast setup. Is it one of the red pressure pots like they sell at HF? I have the Clarke model that I bought at Northern Tool, which looks identical to the one at HF. Mine would not feed very well, so I did the modifications that I found on here, and it works much better now. Using the store bought blasting media works much more consistently that my former window screen sifted play sand that I used to use as well...

When we were getting ready to unload him my son in law suggested we just take the trailer to the back pasture and shoot him as he got out, since he would not bring much more than fuel to take him to the sale.

I remember those liquidation auctions. Harbor Freight on wheels. If fact that may be where they got their start. The good thing about those traveling sales was you were not concerned with customer service, they were long gone by the time you tried the tool out.

If you have studied the online pictures it may be the same saw. Mine has a metal belt cover. And a very small screw to tighten the balance spring. Get it at a 20% off sale and it's pretty cheap. Does yours take a 64" blade? The legs hinge to avoid more fasteners along the long sides. I thought that was a great money saving idea and also made assembly quicker.

Now for some serious business. I have to stand on one foot to sand blast so I can kick the pot with my other foot (I'm getting good at it, standing on one foot so the other can run the TIG pedal). It's a 20# HF special an acquaintance I did not particularly like gave to me when he moved away. A gravity feed would work better but I gave my gravity feed to JB thinking this would be better. I searched the site and did not find recommendations for upgrading the cheap sand blast pots so if you could post a link I would be internally grateful. My thoughts are to put an orifice in the feed line or maybe leave the lid off and run it as a siphon but would like to know what has worked.

Thanks for the visits!!

 

[cdsloop]

Our saw does take the 64" blade, best I can remember without looking. The auction we went to when I was a child was not the traveling type that you speak of, rather this family bought the same equipment that was in the traveling circus by the trailer load, (as well as other comparable quality "stuff") and had a monthly auction at their location.
Here is the thread that I got my information for my modifications: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207210
The thread is named HF pressure sandblaster modification by EVINTHO in the General Tool Discussion, in case my link doesn't work. I did the ball valve and fittings work at the bottom of the tank just like is in the second picture. My downfall is air volume. I'm working on restoring an old Westinghouse Air Brake Co. compressor, which will probably increase my CFM's to an acceptable level once I get it done. The other mod that I need to do is add the ball valve at the gun. The lever cutoff is ****... It works pretty well until the pressure gets down to just what the current compressor is creating as the pump runs. Then the media wants to start to pulse like a siphon unit does. I assume that you use an air dryer, it is a must here with our humidity. Your air there may be dry enough that it doesn't cause you problems, though. Adding a dryer made a big difference to my unit as well. But the mods helped quite a bit in my {blast, kick, blast, kick, blast, wait on compressor to build} methodology.
This is a stock photo of the unit I use.

 

[jbmatth]

I'm now finely caught up to you Andy, I first have to apologize for not noticing the rotisserie was home made and not a purchase. The paint threw me off. Also glad to hear the bull is on the mend, better than the previous bull who seemed to be on the fence about which side of the fence he wanted to be on. Also you seem to be making good progress on the Stude and the metal forming you are doing is giving me some ideas for when I get to that stage with the '57. Lastly you might be in luck, the blaster you though I had, I don't have, I don't think anyway, so there is a chance you have it put away on a shelf. Good luck finding it.

JB

 

[bolensboneyard]

I agree with Don. You will love the saw. Turn it on go to the lathe or vise and keep working and listen for the ping when the piece hits the floor. Better for your health also than a chop saw.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Our saw does take the 64" blade, best I can remember without looking. The auction we went to when I was a child was not the traveling type that you speak of, rather this family bought the same equipment that was in the traveling circus by the trailer load, (as well as other comparable quality "stuff") and had a monthly auction at their location.
Here is the thread that I got my information for my modifications: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=207210
The thread is named HF pressure sandblaster modification by EVINTHO in the General Tool Discussion, in case my link doesn't work. I did the ball valve and fittings work at the bottom of the tank just like is in the second picture. My downfall is air volume. I'm working on restoring an old Westinghouse Air Brake Co. compressor, which will probably increase my CFM's to an acceptable level once I get it done. The other mod that I need to do is add the ball valve at the gun. The lever cutoff is ****... It works pretty well until the pressure gets down to just what the current compressor is creating as the pump runs. Then the media wants to start to pulse like a siphon unit does. I assume that you use an air dryer, it is a must here with our humidity. Your air there may be dry enough that it doesn't cause you problems, though. Adding a dryer made a big difference to my unit as well. But the mods helped quite a bit in my {blast, kick, blast, kick, blast, wait on compressor to build} methodology.
This is a stock photo of the unit I use.

Thanks for the link. That was interesting. A lot simpler than I had imagined.

Late in the day I went to Mohawk Materials in West Tulsa. When I walked in the shop area a guy yelled across the room "There's trouble!" I'd never been there before and he had mistaken me for someone else so we all had some good fun with it. I had gone there because they had 80 lb bags of Black Diamond blasting media for $11 per bag. A little cheaper than on the internet. When I walked in the place was filled with industrial blasting equipment. I've been around it all my working career but always had competent operators. All I had to do was learn the SSPC blasting quality numbering system. Told the guy I needed an education and he spent 45 minutes explaining sand blasting equipment to me.

In summary, my biggest problem is using too coarse media. He said not to use the fine Black Diamond abrasive in a nozzle with less than a 1/4" throat. I'm sure my nozzle is a 1/8" throat.

His description of a pressure pot sandblaster is the pot air and blast air should always be full pressure. Only if the pot is plugging do you cut air to the tee to help the pot discharge the clog. He says when the nozzle is shut off media should pile up at the tee and stop flowing out of the pot. My nozzle valve has a vent hole in the side that flows all the time. I think that is continuing to draw media into the hose and plug it up. I'm going to change that valve. He said for what I'm doing the media valve should be part way open. I mentioned my idea of putting an orifice in that line instead of trying to crack the valve the right amount. He suggested a 1/8" to 3/16" orifice.

I'm also going to make a 1/4" nozzle out of heat treated steel in an attempt to eliminate the occasional nozzle plug.

Of course I'm not sure how much he really knows but he seemed quite competent and is certainly in the industry. He didn't try to sell me a $10,000 sand blast pot and was very willing to help me make what I already have work as well as possible.

He recommended aluminum oxide grit for my yet to be assembled blast cabinet. I went ahead and bought a bag of aluminum oxide. It is finer and will work in a 1/8" orifice but it is $50 per 50# bag. That's almost $1/lb. He claims it is reusable 15 times whereas sand and Black Diamond is only good for a couple of times.

I bought a vacuum blaster from Northern Tool this morning. Claim is it can be used in the shop and recover practically all of the grit and automatically recycles it. Be glad to see it arrive.

I'm now finely caught up to you Andy, I first have to apologize for not noticing the rotisserie was home made and not a purchase. The paint threw me off. Also glad to hear the bull is on the mend, better than the previous bull who seemed to be on the fence about which side of the fence he wanted to be on. Also you seem to be making good progress on the Stude and the metal forming you are doing is giving me some ideas for when I get to that stage with the '57. Lastly you might be in luck, the blaster you though I had, I don't have, I don't think anyway, so there is a chance you have it put away on a shelf. Good luck finding it.

JB

Sorry, I shouldn't paint stuff.

Ha! The last bull was sure on the fence, over the fence, and out of the fence.

I wasn't sure it was you, maybe my helper. I know I gave it to someone. And am not going to ask for it back. But it is gone.

Thanks for stopping in, guys. Great conversation!

 

[oldironfarmer]

I agree with Don. You will love the saw. Turn it on go to the lathe or vise and keep working and listen for the ping when the piece hits the floor. Better for your health also than a chop saw.

Wanted one for years, never really had a need. Obviously I only have stuff I truly need.

Also bought a MIG and it arrived today. So I'll try to learn MIG before I learn TIG.

But, I'm old enough I want to get the stuff I'd like to have before I'm too old to use it.

So back on the running board. The rear end of the running board does not fit the shape of the cab. I had cut and curved the end to meet the hat section beam and now need to make a transition between that curve and the rest of the running board. The original interior skin tapered at the last three inches.

Made a cardboard template for the transition

Here's the other side

Used the template to make a patch plate. From right to left: the profile gauge of the curve, cardboard pattern, patch plate.

End of Part 1

 

[don long]

Andy I had one of those kickablasters and hated it. It would work ok for a short blast one day and not work at all another and the sand goes everywhere in the yard (remember that i'm not out in the country. I'm in the heart of the city.)

So you may have seen my cure for the problem. A 10' container and a commercial portable blaster. No more problems

20130812_181754_1 by don long, on Flickr

20130812_181800_1 by don long, on Flickr

 

[oldironfarmer]

A trip to the brake and we have a filler plate

Marked out the transition and cut it out. The inside hat section is partially welded in.

Made flanges for the inside hat section and welded them on. It's a little crooked. The goal is to continue support from the hat section above to the running board. That will be achieved. Pretty, it will not be, but it is mostly hidden. A craftsman would remake it, an old engineer isn't going to change.

A spot welder might fit in to weld the flanges to the running board. I plan to drill holes in the running board and plug weld from the outside.

Getting closer to finally welding the running board in place, just have to make sure I don't have to take it back off to do something else.

Thanks for looking in!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy I had one of those kickablasters and hated it. It would work ok for a short blast one day and not work at all another and the sand goes everywhere in the yard (remember that i'm not out in the country. I'm in the heart of the city.)

So you may have seen my cure for the problem. A 10' container and a commercial portable blaster. No more problems

20130812_181754_1 by don long, on Flickr

20130812_181800_1 by don long, on Flickr

WOW! That's quite a setup! A walk in blast cabinet.

Do you have a big exhaust fan?

Fortunately I do live out in the sticks. I can make a big mess if I like. But I would sure like to be able to blast in inclement weather. I'm hoping the vacuum blaster will do that. For blasting outside I like $11/80 lb bag. I'm hoping to modify the kick blaster to make it operate like a commercial one. Don't hold your breath, however.

Thanks for the visit, and I love your setup. Hope you got a Coke!

 

[don long]

Yes I have an exhaust fan in the roof at the end of the container it came with my spray booth paint mixing room.
My container has a roll up door on one end to get big stuff inside

2013-12-18 12.41.31 by don long, on Flickr

20130727_181817 by don long, on Flickr

This shot was taken while I was building it before paint and positioning it

 

[oldironfarmer]

Yes I have an exhaust fan in the roof at the end of the container it came with my spray booth paint mixing room.
My container has a roll up door on one end to get big stuff inside

2013-12-18 12.41.31 by don long, on Flickr

20130727_181817 by don long, on Flickr

This shot was taken while I was building it before paint and positioning it

Incredible blast room! Thanks for posting those pictures. Wonderful idea. I'm thinking how nice it would be to have a dedicated room for sand blasting. Of course you can't have a dedicated room for everything...

 

[shortykorte]

If you can have a caboose, you can have whatever dedicated room you want.


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[Guster]

Those little bandsaws are good value. Cut much better with a quality bi-metal blade fitted. I have one that I picked up scrap and pretty much kept running. Took it off it's base mounted straight to the top right hand edge of a table. I would really love the next size or two up with better work clamp. But for now I can't complain given that I only have the cost of blades invested in it.

The running board is coming along very nicely and the bull too.

Did I read that right and you are going to mess around with MIG too?

 

[jimreed2160]

As one of the unofficial thread historians, I have to call your attention to Page 182, wherein you in introduce your new (to you) shipping/storage container. Seems to me that one could "borrow" a few feet from the dead end and build a media blasting room. Just sayin...

 

[shortykorte]

As one of the unofficial thread historians, I have to call your attention to Page 182, wherein you in introduce your new (to you) shipping/storage container. Seems to me that one could "borrow" a few feet from the dead end and build a media blasting room. Just sayin...

I forgot about that. Great idea Jim plus it saves on carrying feed to the back of the container. Great mig welding project. Win-win!


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[drivesitfar]

JIM: you and I were on the same page thinking about Andy's half empty container and Shorty agrees. Then i thought with Andy's ability to find a good deal that he might find a container of good feed that he could just fill this one completely up with feed instead of just buying pick up loads of course if the feed doesn't go bad if not eaten in a certain time frame.

that said i wonder if it might be easier for Andy to just have another container delivered instead of spending all the money to modify his existing one with a new door and wall?

of course Don has hot weather, but Andy does too and how in the world can you keep a big metal tin can from getting to a couple hundred degrees inside it when it's over 100 on a daily basis?

Andy: i'd like to meet Hershey some day cause I LOVE CHOCOLATE and let's hope he wouldn't chew my leg off so i wouldn't have to eat her. ok maybe that wasn't as funny as I thought it could be, but i do love animals and usually get along with all of them unless they've been beaten and are scared for their lives which i'm sure isn't the case with Hershey?

not that i don't love coke it's just i like cold homemade ICE TEA better so while i thank you for your offer i'll bring some ice tea and offer you some if you might want to try it next time i stop by.

here's to the bull still getting healthier along with you and your bride and the StudeDakota.

keep up the great work on the fabbing bits and pieces and the welding!!

 

[bolensboneyard]

WOW! That's quite a setup! A walk in blast cabinet.

Do you have a big exhaust fan?

Fortunately I do live out in the sticks. I can make a big mess if I like. But I would sure like to be able to blast in inclement weather. I'm hoping the vacuum blaster will do that. For blasting outside I like $11/80 lb bag. I'm hoping to modify the kick blaster to make it operate like a commercial one. Don't hold your breath, however.

Thanks for the visit, and I love your setup. Hope you got a Coke!

Andy I don't know if you remember seeing my calf pens on the back of the barn? I have been using one that I no longer need for calves. The wall is half height except for the back wall which is the barn outside wall. Opposite side is open 5/4 board. It works great for blasting as the floor is concrete and easy to recover glass bead, is open enough for ventilation and punching a hole through the shop wall for an air plug in is easy. Keeps me out of the rain and wind also. If I have something higher than the half wall I just roll the big door on the shop open and when it reaches the end of the track it closes in the outside wall of the pen/blast booth.

 

[oldironfarmer]

If you can have a caboose, you can have whatever dedicated room you want.

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I'm confused. Why do I have a caboose? And where is my new car storage building going to go?

Those little bandsaws are good value. Cut much better with a quality bi-metal blade fitted. I have one that I picked up scrap and pretty much kept running. Took it off it's base mounted straight to the top right hand edge of a table. I would really love the next size or two up with better work clamp. But for now I can't complain given that I only have the cost of blades invested in it.

The running board is coming along very nicely and the bull too.

Did I read that right and you are going to mess around with MIG too?

Thanks for stopping in! The bandsaw has not given me one second of trouble. Hopefully I'll cut something with it soon.

I decided a MIG would be good for welding into corners where I couldn't reach with the TIG, and don't want the heat of oxy-acetylene or stick, like frame attachments. We'll see. I have a little flux core that I've never really learned to use. Hopefully I'll learn the MIG. When using one in the 70's it was like shooting hot butter, a lot of fun. I've wanted one ever since. Jimreed said it would be ok. Also got a spool gun for aluminum...

As one of the unofficial thread historians, I have to call your attention to Page 182, wherein you in introduce your new (to you) shipping/storage container. Seems to me that one could "borrow" a few feet from the dead end and build a media blasting room. Just sayin...

How unlike you to suggest something which would not cost even more money.

I did think about that. But for sandblasting I could build something cheaper, I think, and I'm thinking a lean to on my 40 ft container down at the shop. I have been surprisingly adept at finding stuff to fill the new feed container. Put a table to hold tools and medicines, salt storage, and I'm thinking about some shelving for remote storage of stuff which needs to be out of the weather but which I never expect to need. I picked up a ton of feed yesterday and ordered two more tons. I now have feed stacked ten bags high to the back of the container on one side.

I may need a second one.

I forgot about that. Great idea Jim plus it saves on carrying feed to the back of the container. Great mig welding project. Win-win!

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Don't know about running the MIG off a generator. I think the inverters are sensitive to power cleanliness. But a container is 14 gauge, I can stick weld that downhill. I'll start cutting.

JIM: you and I were on the same page thinking about Andy's half empty container and Shorty agrees.

OK, then it's a plan. When do we start?

Then i thought with Andy's ability to find a good deal that he might find a container of good feed that he could just fill this one completely up with feed instead of just buying pick up loads of course if the feed doesn't go bad if not eaten in a certain time frame.

Feed is good for the winter. The option is to have a feed box on my truck and a bulk overhead feed bin. Supplier will bring in a semi and load the overhead bin, then you gravity into the pickup feed box. I almost went that route a few years ago but like feeding in a corral so they are captured every time they eat if I so desire. Now that my herd is so small the bags work out just fine.

that said i wonder if it might be easier for Andy to just have another container delivered instead of spending all the money to modify his existing one with a new door and wall?

It would be a lot easier. I should have bought a 40 ft one and cut it into two tens and a twenty. Dumb me.

of course Don has hot weather, but Andy does too and how in the world can you keep a big metal tin can from getting to a couple hundred degrees inside it when it's over 100 on a daily basis?

It hardly gets over 140F inside because they have vents. You can go in for a short visit, and when you come out 105F is refreshingly cool.

Andy: i'd like to meet Hershey some day cause I LOVE CHOCOLATE and let's hope he wouldn't chew my leg off so i wouldn't have to eat her. ok maybe that wasn't as funny as I thought it could be, but i do love animals and usually get along with all of them unless they've been beaten and are scared for their lives which i'm sure isn't the case with Hershey?

I think she has been mistreated but she is forgetting that and making lots of friends. I think she is pleased with her choice of homes. Her middle name is "Get Down".

not that i don't love coke it's just i like cold homemade ICE TEA better so while i thank you for your offer i'll bring some ice tea and offer you some if you might want to try it next time i stop by.

I'll keep iced tea for you if you like sweet tea. This is the south, you know.

here's to the bull still getting healthier along with you and your bride and the StudeDakota.

Thank you!

keep up the great work on the fabbing bits and pieces and the welding!!

Thanks for the visit! And comments!!

Andy I don't know if you remember seeing my calf pens on the back of the barn? I have been using one that I no longer need for calves. The wall is half height except for the back wall which is the barn outside wall. Opposite side is open 5/4 board. It works great for blasting as the floor is concrete and easy to recover glass bead, is open enough for ventilation and punching a hole through the shop wall for an air plug in is easy. Keeps me out of the rain and wind also. If I have something higher than the half wall I just roll the big door on the shop open and when it reaches the end of the track it closes in the outside wall of the pen/blast booth.

I remember very well. Back by your aboveground fuel tank and pump I lust after. You've got a great setup. I'm coming to saw logs, you know.

 

[Vieux]

Nice to look at beautiful work!

 

[jimreed2160]

About the container, Andy said. "I may need a second one."

The father of container shipping was a fellow Tar Heel, Malcom McLean. His first ship carried 58 containers. I am sure he said the same thing about containers. Of note, the latest container ships carry 21,000 TAU (the equivalent of a 20 ft container). Now, that's a lot of second helpings!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Nice to look at beautiful work!

Thanks for the kind words! Any time you asked my dear mother in law what she needed she would answer "Just a few kind words".

About the container, Andy said. "I may need a second one."

The father of container shipping was a fellow Tar Heel, Malcom McLean. His first ship carried 58 containers. I am sure he said the same thing about containers. Of note, the latest container ships carry 21,000 TAU (the equivalent of a 20 ft container). Now, that's a lot of second helpings!

I knew about Sea Land originating the modern container. But you encouraged me to chase a rabbit and are now up to speed on containers. I finally learned why so many people call them Conex's.

In Nigeria in 1978 we made maintenance sheds from four forty footers sitting on two forty footers. A nice 32x36 covered space with six containers for offices and storage.

Thanks for the comments!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Turned the bull out today into a four acre trap next to the barn. He has the hay bus to play with. He walked better as he was getting free of the barn. I'm hoping the exercise will help his leg. I'm hoping, he's hopping.

Decided it was time to build a chimney today. I want to heat part of my shop with wood. Mainly because I have my dad's wood stove which he bought for his shop and hardly used. It's set up for a blower to distribute hot air. And partly because my woodcutter will supply me with all the wood I want to burn. Plan to run the flue through the A/C opening and have a chimney standing on the ground.

I drug home this ductwork several years ago. The owner gave me some stuff, like a ton of 5/8" sucker rod and a bunch of other junk, including several pieces of heavy ductwork. I used two pieces of duct for my blacksmith chimney and should have scrapped the rest.

But I don't do good at the scrapping thingy.

Two pieces of 14" OD, one with a slightly crimped end perfect for shoving in the other piece. Cut the damaged end off of one and the remainder should clear the roof by 6 to 8 feet.

19 gauge galvanized, it was skip welded and soldered 42" pieces originally. I didn't want to try to clean the galvanizing off metal that thin so I welded with 3/32" E6011 through the galvanizing.

Burned through a couple of times but welded up the holes ok. One large crimp from the old end had a pretty good gap.

Took some time to weld across that gap. Need to take another picture, it really is welded all the way.

It came out pretty straight. The individual pieces are not really straight so I had to kind of split the difference.

Hope to have an erection tomorrow. Need to roll a ring to go around the chimney to have an attachment point for support close to the top of the building.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, I couldn't resist..

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[drivesitfar]

ANDY: all this welding is maybe helping your skills a bit, but not sure i want to see pictures of your ERECTION even though sounds like that might be good progress.

maybe a shot of the new stove burning all that good wood you and your friend find laying around would be great.

I for one am very happy your bull is working his way back out to the field and still crossing my fingers for his speedy recovery.

how far is the family farm from Missouri cause my kids are looking for a home down there? or did you sell it already? i doubt it's in their budget, but thought i'd ask and maybe you'd have an update for us.

it's been a really wet Saturday up here today and almost bought a nice trailer so i won't have to rent uhauls any longer, but i don't want it sitting in the rain or in front of our house were it might walk off so storing it might cost as much as Uhaul rentals.

anyway good to see you made more progress today and it's a rare Saturday when you don't.

cheers

 

[Vieux]

Thanks for the kind words! Any time you asked my dear mother in law what she needed she would answer "Just a few kind words".

We have a saying - "a kind word and a nice cat"

 

[shortykorte]

So I guess you will have an erection before the bull. I agree with Drives, pictures of the warm stove only please. lol


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[oldironfarmer]

Andy, I couldn't resist..

Quote [ Hope to have an erection tomorrow.] Quote.

Boy! I just can't leave you guys alone.

But, I've still got a lot of work to do before I can get it up and screwed in place.

My first job as an engineer was with the Tennessee Valley Authority in Knoxville, TN. I worked for an Erection Engineer, a guy I came to respect greatly. He was wheelchair bound, turns out he was a Boilermaker and fell several stories about age 40 and broke his back. Instead of a pity party he went to school and earned an engineering degree. At TVA he was an engineer with 20 years Boilermaker experience, what a valuable combination. None of us young guys dared snicker at his title. Even though he could engineer a smooth erection.

ANDY: all this welding is maybe helping your skills a bit, but not sure i want to see pictures of your ERECTION even though sounds like that might be good progress.

Oh, there'll be pictures, close up and in color. But it is big enough you have to stand back to see the whole thing.

maybe a shot of the new stove burning all that good wood you and your friend find laying around would be great.

Hmmm, he doesn't just find the wood laying around. He's cutting nice trees to make firewood and leaves pasture behind.

I for one am very happy your bull is working his way back out to the field and still crossing my fingers for his speedy recovery.

Me too!!!

how far is the family farm from Missouri cause my kids are looking for a home down there? or did you sell it already? i doubt it's in their budget, but thought i'd ask and maybe you'd have an update for us.

Wish you'd spoke up. Probably cheap compared to the great PNW. 3,000 sq ft house with full basement and 50 acres for $290,000. However we now have a contract on it. Went up to meet the folks and like them a lot. We'll see how it goes

it's been a really wet Saturday up here today and almost bought a nice trailer so i won't have to rent uhauls any longer, but i don't want it sitting in the rain or in front of our house were it might walk off so storing it might cost as much as Uhaul rentals.

To me it's more a convenience than cost. When you rent you don't have to worry about tires getting old, or a deck rotting. Or lights not working. But the time to go rent, then return, vastly expands the duration of a pickup or delivery. Especially if you live out in the sticks like I do so I try to have everything on hand. I have a fertilizer spreader. The mill rents them pretty cheap but they are 45 minutes away so if I go and get one I'm an hour and a half to get home, then have to spread fertilizer, maybe two hours. And if I have theirs I have to return it so there's another hour and a half. So while I was working having my own spreader was a real time saver. Same with lots of stuff. Never know when you'll need a caboose, for instance.

anyway good to see you made more progress today and it's a rare Saturday when you don't.

cheers

Thanks for those kind words!

We have a saying - "a kind word and a nice cat"

If ever you find a nice cat! Does the saying imply kind words are as rare as a nice cat?

So I guess you will have an erection before the bull. I agree with Drives, pictures of the warm stove only please. lol


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I'm just not sure about the bull. He does his own thing and I do mine. I do see him once a day to feed, but that's about it.

Stay tuned for pictures of it standing straight up and ready for service.

 

[jbmatth]

Andy,
Here is to your erection going smoothly today.

I'm just glad I wasn't the only one laughing at that.
JB

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: yep a bit above the Captain's and my daughter's budget, but sounds like a great deal for the couple buying it. i hope everything works out cause i know it's not close to where you live even though it might have been nice to keep in the family it sounds like it's time to pass it on.

So are we getting pictures of your Erection or the BULL's Erection or both.

ok so did you order another container or two of them for your new projects?

i just read your post on BJ's thread about paint rotting wood and great information to pass on that is for certain cause i think you are right on.

have a great Saturday and i've been up for hours and ready to start loading my Honda with tools to help my other kids move into their new home.

yep they have finally found a home they can afford after a 3 year search. they even bought a 500 sq ft condo after a year of no luck finding a home with a peek water view for $300,000 so pricing up here isn't cheap and believe this they could sell for a profit.

 

[Vieux]

if ever you find a nice cat! Does the saying imply kind words are as rare as a nice cat?

It's a joke. Implies that a kind word is pleasant to hear not only man but animals.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy,
Here is to your erection going smoothly today.

I'm just glad I wasn't the only one laughing at that.
JB

Had a really good erection today.

The original statement was meant to inject a bit of levity in an otherwise dull thread. So glad it was well received.

Andy: yep a bit above the Captain's and my daughter's budget, but sounds like a great deal for the couple buying it. i hope everything works out cause i know it's not close to where you live even though it might have been nice to keep in the family it sounds like it's time to pass it on.

The folks buying promised a rather large down payment due 12-15-17 which they paid today. I think it is going to go well.

So are we getting pictures of your Erection or the BULL's Erection or both.

Pictures of my chimney erection process. The bull is not building anything that I know of.

ok so did you order another container or two of them for your new projects?

Not yet...

i just read your post on BJ's thread about paint rotting wood and great information to pass on that is for certain cause i think you are right on.

Old tools (like hand planes) and old methods are often superior to what we try to use as improvements because we do not understand fully the concepts behind the design. When I make tools I try to copy old ones instead of trying to make improvements.

have a great Saturday and i've been up for hours and ready to start loading my Honda with tools to help my other kids move into their new home.

yep they have finally found a home they can afford after a 3 year search. they even bought a 500 sq ft condo after a year of no luck finding a home with a peek water view for $300,000 so pricing up here isn't cheap and believe this they could sell for a profit.

Hope you had a great day helping your kids move

It's a joke. Implies that a kind word is pleasant to hear not only man but animals.

I understand. Nice! It appears sometimes that your sayings are a bit deeper than ours.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Erection day!

But first I have to feed. Neighbor's bull is still in the pasture. He's taking care of my cows so I really don't care. But I'm not going to feed him. If I do he'll never stay home. So we have a standoff when I let the cows in the corral to eat. He is not happy about staying outside. Nice horns.

I don't need horns on my cattle, not much traffic out here.

Big event so I invited my friends over to help. My helper and my son in law. With the three of us I'm sure we can get it up.

Started by making the attachment hardware. Needed some small 1/4" clips, found a piece of angle iron flange. Too short to clamp in the shop saw, worked great in the new band saw (with a block behind to hold the jaws shut).

Came in handy today!

Made a ring to go around the chimney, two clips to bolt to the building, and two standoffs to hold the chimney. I plan to weld an angle between the standoffs after everything is bolted in place.

Sprayed them with cold galvanizing. It lasts pretty good out in the weather.

Put the ring on. It's not round, and the pipe is not round but it will work.

I'm not a big fan of stainless steel because of galling. Happened to have a 3/8"x3" SS bolt threaded to the head. I needed the full length of the bolt to get it started with everything out of round. Then needed most of the threads to pull it tight. Only about 1/2" gap when tight.

Surely everybody knows how to keep a partially used tube of caulk from drying out. If not, Drives, you put a couple of layers of thin plastic over the end and hold them with a rubber band. This one was last used several months ago and I only need a 6" bead behind each building bracket.

Still soft and it will be in another six months.

Brackets are on the wall, standoffs are on and snugged up and ready for the guys to show up so we can stand up the chimney.

 

[oldironfarmer]

We could have stood the chimney up by one guy on the roof pulling up on a rope and one guy on the ground walking it into place. However my son in law brought his backhoe so things were easier. Close to the backhoe's reach, but we choked the chimney just above center and chained the choker to the back of his bucket.

Smooth erection. My helper went up on the roof and laid down to hold the chimney while I bolted it. The standoffs are bolted in place.

Chimney is very stable.

Angle is welded between the standoffs.

There are two attachment points on the chimney to keep it from twisting, so the angle iron between the standoffs makes the whole support rigid. Kind of like the cross arm on a picnic table.

Chimney is far enough above the roof line to draw. In fact you could say it *****.

No plans for a chimney cap. Let the rain water rinse the inside as much as it can. I'll put a drain hole in the side at the bottom.

I love a good erection!

And the sun sets on a hard day.

Thanks for watching the process.

 

[Farmall450]

Interesting approach to erecting a chimney!

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: It looks like you and your TEAM got the ERECTION you were hoping for and looks very solid.

i'm just curious how you are going to put the horizontal pipe into it from your stove, but i'm guessing in your mind that's the easy part.

also did you put it in front of the AIR CONDITIONER ON PURPOSE cause it looks like you could have moved it over a foot or two?

amazing sunset and NICE LOOKING SHOP!!

thanks for the well wishes and yes i was able to do a little remodeling in my kid's garage and tear out an old 15'x4' workbench built from old scraps so I could put up a couple 8 foot commercial storage racks i gave them as a moving in gift. then i helped them empty their 10x20 so they won't have another $250 per month payment to that place after 3 years of having most of their stuff in storage.

it was a good day and i picked up a little Polish vise on the way home that i think you'd like cause the static moves back and the front jaw stays in place. i already own one of these that has a 3 inch wide jaw that i found maybe 5 years ago and this one is a little bigger with 4 inch jaws. it's an FPU Bison in case you come across one in your travels.

cheers and enjoy your SATURDAY!!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, you have done well with the chimney install that's a top effort..

 

[Grumblebum]

Well done Andy, I've updated your profile

Mechanical engineer, registered professional engineer, competent in stress analysis, welding, pipeline hydraulics and design, direct fired heater revamps, refinery maintenance, turnarounds, Primavera planner, project management, competent welder, novice machinist, competent blacksmith, erection engineer

Cheers GB

 

[bj383ss]

Well done Andy, I've updated your profile

Mechanical engineer, registered professional engineer, competent in stress analysis, welding, pipeline hydraulics and design, direct fired heater revamps, refinery maintenance, turnarounds, Primavera planner, project management, competent welder, novice machinist, competent blacksmith, erection engineer

Cheers GB

Very fitting.

Bret

 

[dchance]

Grumblebum great list but you left one out, all around good neighbor.

Dwight

 

[oldironfarmer]

Interesting approach to erecting a chimney!

Thank you, I hope! It weighs about 200 lbs so we were uncomfortable lifting it by hand. The wind picked up and the backhoe could lift over half way so it worked pretty well. My son in law said he had a sore back today from holding it so long while I got the bolts in

Andy: It looks like you and your TEAM got the ERECTION you were hoping for and looks very solid.

We got it up!!

i'm just curious how you are going to put the horizontal pipe into it from your stove, but i'm guessing in your mind that's the easy part.

I'll have to cut it in while the chimney is in place. Had I cut it in on the ground I would have likely had to rotate the chimney in the clamp to fine tune the orientation. I was uncomfortable doing that 15 feet up on the ladder in the wind. Now I can be sure it is oriented right and also has the correct elevation. I'll just make a nozzle, cut a matching hole, and weld it into the hole.

also did you put it in front of the AIR CONDITIONER ON PURPOSE cause it looks like you could have moved it over a foot or two?

I didn't notice the A/C was there until it was too late.

Actually, I could have, but I wanted to exit the pipe through the air conditioner hole and thought a little late afternoon shade for the A/C would be nice in the summer.

amazing sunset and NICE LOOKING SHOP!!

God provides a wonderful and beautiful environment. Sometimes I forget to look.

thanks for the well wishes and yes i was able to do a little remodeling in my kid's garage and tear out an old 15'x4' workbench built from old scraps so I could put up a couple 8 foot commercial storage racks i gave them as a moving in gift. then i helped them empty their 10x20 so they won't have another $250 per month payment to that place after 3 years of having most of their stuff in storage.

Great job on helping out!!

$250/month for storage.

If I had to pay storage I would not have so much stuff...

it was a good day and i picked up a little Polish vise on the way home that i think you'd like cause the static moves back and the front jaw stays in place. i already own one of these that has a 3 inch wide jaw that i found maybe 5 years ago and this one is a little bigger with 4 inch jaws. it's an FPU Bison in case you come across one in your travels.

cheers and enjoy your SATURDAY!!

I love those vises. Can you polish a Polish vise with Polish polish?

Andy, you have done well with the chimney install that's a top effort..

Thank you sir! Glad you're getting out more. No diet Coke in the machine, I hope you grabbed one!! Although I didn't paint it I touched up the pipe with cold galvanizing.

Well done Andy, I've updated your profile

Mechanical engineer, registered professional engineer, competent in stress analysis, welding, pipeline hydraulics and design, direct fired heater revamps, refinery maintenance, turnarounds, Primavera planner, project management, competent welder, novice machinist, competent blacksmith, erection engineer

Cheers GB

Well that's embarrassing. It doesn't say anything about Excel, broom making, cow sitting, or panel beating novice.

Proud to be an erection engineer.

I need to go back and correct that "competent" welder malarkey.

Very fitting.

Bret

Little update for today. Neighbor's bull is still here, and still wants to eat with my girls. Not going to happen. While we're here, toward the end of the summer the cow lot is full of big weeds (lots of manure, lots). I always think about mowing it, but a few weeks and the cows have it looking pretty good. (don't look, 1/2 Cup)

Helper about has the new sink done. And we now have hot water! Nice!!

Here's the wood stove. It takes a blower and is also rated for coal. My dad only fired it a time or two.

Thinking about running a duct from the top outlet through the wall to the right into the Skelly Garage. If I blow hot air into the Skelly Garage, and open the door to the broom and loom room, the air would be circulated through the Skelly Garage, through the planer room, then the wood shop, then the machine shop and through the broom and loom room before coming back into the shop room where the heater is located. In moderate weather the wood heater potentially can heat the entire shop without more than 8 ft of ductwork. I'll have to try that.

Thanks for looking in today!