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also that pipe going through the wall should be a double insulated pipe to prevent creosote build up. I only run my stove about 20 days a winter and check/clean the pipe every year.

just another thought.

and Galvanized stove pipe isn't the best idea either as when it gets hot if off gas's bad stuff.

but I have a galvanized cap on my stove pipe and just single wall pipe through my window so what due I know!
 
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Here's one for you Andy!

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Andy, your TIG welding is looking great, practice makes perfect..:thumbup:

I trust you are feeling better..:thumbup:

Regards

Thank you! It is better, but still not good. But I'll keep practicing.

I am feeling a bit better. As you seem to be too! Of course mine was just a common cold, or bit of one. Thanks for taking the time to stop by.

First, Your wood burner chimney turned out great. I have a question about your set-up though. I would have thought the chimney would have retained heat well and therefore be placed inside your building. (extra free heat) I realize this would need to have you make a hole in your roof, which requires a good seal. Just wondering did you consider this?

Thanks for the good words.

A couple of reasons. Primarily avoiding a hole in the roof and ceiling, which at 15 ft is hard to get to and not much space between the ceiling and roof. Along with a single wall pipe, a chimney fire would be devastating. That's why the standpipe is outside. It's not complete protection against a chimney fire, but it is at least accessible if you are there.

Also, this is an airtight firebox. The fire should smolder with limited air so the amount of heat in the flue is diminished. The big chimney should draw pretty hard even though it will be relatively cold.

Thirdly (you know there are three types of people, those who can do math and those who can't) I want to pull the flue out to put in the A/C as it gives me an opportunity to inspect both the flue and the chimney.

Andy welding looking better. I am concerned about the long chimney set outside. This length will make the chimney prone to creosote buildup as gases will cool rapidly even if the fire is kept hot. Be one massive Roman Candle! Be sure to clean it more often.

Thank you sir! Still a ways to go on the TIG. Got my MIG set up, first weld on scrap:

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There is a hole in the middle.

My goal is to burn dry wood to minimize creosote. With a tight firebox it's hard to keep the chimney hot so I expect a lot of creosote even if I had an insulated chimney. However with a tight firebox a chimney fire is limited by the air it is getting. I want to keep a tight flue so I don't get excess air in the event of a fire. I'm not planning for a fire, but I don't want to ignore it, either.

If it looks like this will be a long term addition to the shop I may take the chimney back down and put an 8" liner in it which would give a 2" insulating band around the liner. I definitely intend on putting an access door in below the flue entrance but need to make it airtight.

To answer your question, no I didnt put any sort of a cleanout on my heat exchanger portion of the stove. We talked about it, but decided it would be just as easy to just torch the end out and reweld it, if it ever came to that. Its been 20 years, and I havent needed to do it yet.
The only thing I wish I had done was put a damper in the single horizontal run to the chimney. That way I could have stoked it up at night and shut all the air off, and it would hold most of that heat in till morning.
My old stove is home made, another guy built it, I took it on trade. He just had a single stack coming out of the middle, I modified it and added the two big pipes. The air intakes are in the front, they are just a pipe cap, drilled and tapped in the center and sitting on a stud.
Your stack is looking good. Pretty good job welding that thin stuff outside in the open with the TIG. I didnt think about it till later, how much cutting/welding/ burning did you do on that galvanized pipe? Enough of that will make you feel bad, kind of flu like symptoms. Drinking milk is supposed to make it better, but it mostly just takes time.
Hope you feel better today. Good Luck

I don't want a stack damper, I want to be able to shut off all the air going into the firebox. You should be able to control your fire that way unless your doors don't seal. I like your double pipe. Have you looked from inside the firebox to look for creosote blockage?

I was surprised I burned through the stack as much as I did trying to weld it.

I hadn't thought about zinc poisoning. Very familiar with the milk antidote. However for many years I've not had a problem. Usually grind the galvanizing back and stay out of the smoke religiously. Your comment got me worried so I went back and checked. I welded the stack on the ground on Thursday and got the sore throat suddenly Monday night. Then I welded the nozzle in on Wednesday so I doubt it was zinc poisoning even though it occurred quickly with no warning, like zinc poisoning.

I'm feeling better, thank you!

Only just spotted your lovely 72 and i gather youre not feeling well.. i thought these pics might cheer you up a bit..

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I'm feeling much better. But my eyes are burning. Did you have to pull the picture of the Chevelle looking so dirty?

I love the tag on the last one.

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I noticed that too, can't tell if it is Candy SS or Andy SS though.

Apologies for the photobombers btw.. quite why some people think its acceptable to walk over and sit on a car when youre trying to take a photo of it is completely beyond me. :rolleyes:

I had to go back and look, sure enough, there were some people in those pictures.:willy_nil I get used to looking at the cars and missed them. I hope it was warm that day, they look like they could take a chill.

with the stove that high, how warm is it at floor level

If a good natural convection flow is set up the air on the floor should be drawn up as the cool air falls on the far side of the room. Old time radiators weren't designed to be particularly low. Just my thoughts.
 

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BB: being Andy's pipe is galvanized wouldn't it maybe be ok or at the most maybe put a clean out at the bottom cause i can't imagine a ton of creosote build up inside that pipe from that little stove. also i bet he won't used it that many months each year cause as i mentioned before i bet AC is more important than heat in his and maybe your area.

Bobby's right, big chimney small stove is the worst combination for letting creosote precipitate out of flue gas. We only need to heat December through March, so that's just four months. I may burn a bit of wood on days which stay below freezing, however.

ANDY: nice work on the set up and i'm sure you'll figure out a good way to keep water and debris from coming inside the old AC hole. speaking of AC are you going to set it back in there once the temps get above 80 degrees again?

Yes, sir, a piece of flashing will keep the big stuff out and a bit of insulation will keep the invisible stuff out (wind, cold), and, yes, the A/C goes back in when the season changes.

hoping you are feeling better and maybe a couple erections that i'm building might make you smile. i'm going to cut these 4 foot sonotubes in half and make a cedar address stand that will be painted instead of stained and i've got to shine up some old aluminum numbers we've had on our house for close to 20 years cause the new stuff is **** unless you pay a fortune for similar quality as what i already own.

I always like restoring the old stuff.

I saw what i thought was a jug of sweet tea on top of the coke machine, but it could have been almost anything cause you didn't label it so i used a dime and had a coke while you were resting inside your home. i'll try to come next time when you are feeling better and outside so maybe you can show me your bull and his ladies.

No, that was spent radiator fluid.:willy_nil But it is sweet...

Hope you spoke to Hershey! Come back anytime.


floor level temp varies.

I use my infrared temp sensor and on the 4 door panels
top panel 72
3rd panel 65
2nd panel 55
bottom panel 45

so the floor is colder for sure but I didn't have a ceiling fan set up to circulate the air, I now have that set up for this winter.
plus my door's don't seal the best on the bottom so I get air leaks there as well.

this is a 5 year temp heating set up for me till I can afford to have cement poured with infloor heat added along with the Outdoor wood boiler.

this will be year 3 for the wood stove for me and the first with the garage having insulation in both the walls and the ceiling intact.

You do have a bit of temperature gradient.

We'll check back and see if you keep your schedule.:willy_nil


The weld looks pretty good Andy. I'd like to get a TIG inverter at the house and get good at it. I could do steel fairly well but aluminium was always tricky.

I've not tried aluminum yet, ever. I do need to do some aluminum welding but will probably look at MIG. It seems like welders have gotten cheaper.

:lol: Thats funny right there, I dont care who you are. Thanks for the pics of the cars. It made me feel better, whether it helps Andy or not.:beer:

Very nice cars, I could hardly take my eyes off them. I kept ********** the cars with my eyes.

also that pipe going through the wall should be a double insulated pipe to prevent creosote build up. I only run my stove about 20 days a winter and check/clean the pipe every year.

just another thought.

and Galvanized stove pipe isn't the best idea either as when it gets hot if off gas's bad stuff.

but I have a galvanized cap on my stove pipe and just single wall pipe through my window so what due I know!

I do not believe zinc produces any off gas until it melts. However, what happens at around 800F is the zinc will melt and flow into the steel in a few hours. Hot dipping steel does not get the steel to the melting point of zinc. Heating the steel to the melting point of zinc will cause zinc to flow between the grains of steel. The steel is then very weak. This is called liquid metal embrittlement. I first ran across it on a job where a refinery was starting up a new unit and 1-1/2" diameter studs popped letting hydrogen at high temperature escape and burn. Less than ideal. I was working on a different part of the refinery but had gotten acquainted with the refinery engineers and was able to help the refinery investigate. The studs were painted, it turned out they were military surplus which were galvanized under the paint and had been substituted by a contractor. They failed in as little as 8 hours at 1,000F.

If you put galvanized steel in a fire you likely will burn the galvanizing off before the steel gets too hot. Burning zinc is the nasty stuff you refer to. This chimney, if it gets a fire inside, could be very weakened fairly quickly. A red spot would be impermissible.


Here's one for you Andy!

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Oh yeah:rocker::rocker::rocker:

I live by those words!:bowdown:

Does a good job galvanizing the pipe...

I kid, I kid! :evil:

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I need good ideas and tips to clean our stuff at the garage. I'm still thinking that I need more energy to get all things done!
 
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I hate to be a wet blanket, but them there girls can't drive with those shoes!

Best not tell them that:bounce:

I need good ideas and tips to clean our stuff at the garage. I'm still thinking that I need more energy to get all things done!

Seriously all you need is persistence, just a little every day.

That’s the best part, you know you’re gonna be driving!!! LOL

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Hmmm....

Hard to drive if you can't blink or move the steering wheel:bounce:

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It was the only photo i could find.. can we see some better pics of it when youve got over your man flu?*

*I assume you have man flu in the US?.. (UK man flu is the worst & most debilitating illness known to mankind).

Man flu, I thought that was only in Manchester. I think I have wimp flu, I feel like a wimp.

glad your feeling better Andy!

thanks for your replay's to my comment's!

Me too! Always like you to stop in.

Very nice very nice. :beer:

Thank you!! It is a factory SS, but was a small block. Someone rebadged it for 454 and I've verified it has a 454. It does rumble nicely.

Taking it easy today, but the cows still wanted to eat their daily allotment.:headscrat
 

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ANDY: are all those cars still in your garage or yours cause i think i recall you giving the lavender one to your son and maybe the yellow SS to one of your grandsons?

sorry to hear you are still a bit under the weather so maybe a good day of melting aluminum and maybe some sweating around the forge might help?

have a great SATURDAY!!

also thanks for the 411 on galvanized, zinc and metals and lessons in general that you graciously take the time to post and teach us. :thumbup::thumbup:
 

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Andy: i can't recall all the #'s for Chevys cause i liked Mustangs, but wasn't the small engine in SS's a 351 or was it a 327. a 454 would maybe burn rubber in all gears even in an automatic wouldn't/won't it? must be nice to have highways without anybody on them like it was around here maybe 70 years ago.

hope you are feeling a bit better and did you make some SWEET TEA?
 
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ANDY: are all those cars still in your garage or yours cause i think i recall you giving the lavender one to your son and maybe the yellow SS to one of your grandsons?

sorry to hear you are still a bit under the weather so maybe a good day of melting aluminum and maybe some sweating around the forge might help?

have a great SATURDAY!!

The purple 35 is gone, everything else is still home, including the 52 Willys. My brother in law wants the yellow 72 Chevelle but he has to clean out his garage first.:dunno:


A little foundry work would be good, but I've had none.


also thanks for the 411 on galvanized, zinc and metals and lessons in general that you graciously take the time to post and teach us. :thumbup::thumbup:

Hope I don't come off as too instructive. I figure if anyone is interested in any of the subjects they will look it up and get the straight stuff.


I wonder who put the 454 in? Hopefully they did a nice job in that nice of a car!

Don't know who did it. It is pretty good, but needs the vacuum lines revamped.

Andy: i can't recall all the #'s for Chevys cause i liked Mustangs, but wasn't the small engine in SS's a 351 or was it a 327. a 454 would maybe burn rubber in all gears even in an automatic wouldn't/won't it? must be nice to have highways without anybody on them like it was around here maybe 70 years ago.

Small blocks available for the 72 Chevelle were 307 and 350. Also offered were a 396 (actually 402) and the 454. Mine was a small block but looks like a 454. It will spin the tires anywhere you want it to.:bounce:

Sometimes I go for days without ever seeing another car. But I took my blue car to Tulsa today and saw some traffic. Went to have lunch with an old friend. We've just lost a mutual friend and coworker and got together to talk about things. They both worked for me for several years, and I knew them for several more. The guy I had lunch with was in Iran when the Shah fell and had a narrow escape leaving.

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Lot's of the guys we had "adventures" with are gone so our recollection of events is no longer called into question...


hope you are feeling a bit better and did you make some SWEET TEA?

I do feel better, but got my sweet tea mixed up with the radiator antifreeze, can't remember which is which.

Thanks for the comments!
 

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Very very nice.. and you managed to get the pics without anyone sitting on it. I want a 1970 Chevelle front half welded to a 72 rear end but the nanny government here wont let me do that.. cant think why.

Man flu, I thought that was only in Manchester. I think I have wimp flu, I feel like a wimp.

It spread!.. There was an item on the news a while back where a medical researcher (a women as it happens) found that men suffer flu far worse than women because we are not able to regulate our temperature as well.. so yer, were all wimps.

Lot's of the guys we had "adventures" with are gone so our recollection of events is no longer called into question...

That so reminds me of a very nice fella called John from the Tulsa area who i used to chat with on another forum (on a thread called 'tales from the flyover zone') who has a great way of painting a mental picture of times gone by. Frequent mention of.. 'names omitted to protect the guilty/ statute of limitations' etc.
 
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Very very nice.. and you managed to get the pics without anyone sitting on it.

A pussycat had just jumped down...

I want a 1970 Chevelle front half welded to a 72 rear end but the nanny government here wont let me do that.. cant think why.

Reasonable regulation keeps people from winding up with a place like mine. Now who wants that? I've always thought it would be a better world if your neighbors would just tell you what to do and not do. They have a much better concept of what is good for you...

It spread!.. There was an item on the news a while back where a medical researcher (a women as it happens) found that men suffer flu far worse than women because we are not able to regulate our temperature as well.. so yer, were all wimps.

I rest my case.

That so reminds me of a very nice fella called John from the Tulsa area who i used to chat with on another forum (on a thread called 'tales from the flyover zone') who has a great way of painting a mental picture of times gone by. Frequent mention of.. 'names omitted to protect the guilty/ statute of limitations' etc.

I'm proud to be part of the flyover zone. I might know him, I know a guy named John, and how many can there be out here?
 

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Andy: well we finally made it to SUNDAY so we can sort of relax except i bet the cows and bull (AND HERSHEY) need to be fed.

I like how you keep your pin up girl inside your SS so we can see the car. so i guess you run tires until they don't have air so you can save the money to buy tires to spin them on your fun cars? :beer:

have a great day and hope you are feeling better. are you?

cheers
 
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Andy: well we finally made it to SUNDAY so we can sort of relax except i bet the cows and bull (AND HERSHEY) need to be fed.

Yep, funny everyone wants to eat. So I accommodate them. But I've been lazy today trying to get well. Fed them and my wife and that's about it.

I like how you keep your pin up girl inside your SS so we can see the car. so i guess you run tires until they don't have air so you can save the money to buy tires to spin them on your fun cars? :beer:

:bounce:

have a great day and hope you are feeling better. are you?

cheers

Thanks, friend. I'm feeling better but very weary.

So, i understand you own your own railway.. is this it?.. :)

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I asked my wife for a train set for Christmas one year and all she got me was a dumb old caboose. Where'd you come up with that picture?

That is part of a nice rail and oil display in Tulsa. Everything is well maintained, and they have several more cars hooked to the locomotive.

Yesterday my grandson delivered the 12 valve Cummins engine I bought.

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It came in a wrecked chassis. Body is pretty much trashed.

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Engine starts and sounds really good with no smoke, 147,000 miles. Ran when wrecked.

I did have to close the hood to protect the engine from the weather.

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Has a 5 speed manual transmission, 5 wheels, drive shaft and rear axle. Does not look like the frame is bent so it could get an old body on top.
 

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Those are awesome engines, any plans for it? Sorry in advance, I'm sure I skipped over it many pages ago!

No specific plans. I have a 1937 1-1/2T IH which will need an engine, and a 48 Suburban, same need, although it may need a Duramax. It would also sound nice under the 48 2T Chevy COE. And it would be enough power for the 41 Ford 1 ton pickup. Hmmm, maybe I need more?

As a result of my aforementioned forum chats with 'John', i did quite a bit of looking around Tulsa on Google Street view and chanced upon it one day.. one of those eyes pop outta ya head moments. I also chanced upon this amazing sculpture...

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That's Cyrus Avery, Father of Route 66, depicted in the old car. Only a few miles down old route 66 from Centennial Park is Route 66 Park. Looks a lot like the same locomotive, but there's a caboose:D

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That's Cyrus Avery, Father of Route 66, depicted in the old car. Only a few miles down old route 66 from Centennial Park is Route 66 Park. Looks a lot like the same locomotive, but there's a caboose:D

Cyrus plus wife, daughter, cat, dead grasshopper on the radiator grill and the wagon driver has his dogs in the back.. incredible detail and such an impressive piece of work. I hope theyve got it covered by cctv, theres got to be some scrap value there (or dont you have that problem over there?).

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There is a Caboose at the back, just didnt know what it was called and certainly didnt know it had such a large crew and living accommodation. Some of our Guards vans (or Brake vans) had a stove and a wooden bench but only a one man crew (the 'Guard').

Sorry, i hope im not hijacking your shop thread, i just find this stuff interesting.
 

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No specific plans. I have a 1937 1-1/2T IH which will need an engine, and a 48 Suburban, same need, although it may need a Duramax. It would also sound nice under the 48 2T Chevy COE. And it would be enough power for the 41 Ford 1 ton pickup. Hmmm, maybe I need more?


Yep you better find a few more! Those all would be cool projects.
 
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Cyrus plus wife, daughter, cat, dead grasshopper on the radiator grill and the wagon driver has his dogs in the back.. incredible detail and such an impressive piece of work. I hope theyve got it covered by cctv, theres got to be some scrap value there (or dont you have that problem over there?).

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It is a nice sculpture, and larger than life size. And it's made of some tough stuff, I thought I'd take part of the car's tailpipe (it would never be missed) but couldn't get it to come off.:mad:

There is a Caboose at the back, just didnt know what it was called and certainly didnt know it had such a large crew and living accommodation. Some of our Guards vans (or Brake vans) had a stove and a wooden bench but only a one man crew (the 'Guard').

Sorry, i hope im not hijacking your shop thread, i just find this stuff interesting.

Can't hijack my thread, it's going nowhere anyway!! :willy_nil:willy_nil

Yep you better find a few more! Those all would be cool projects.

I'm looking, actually.

I vote repower the IH, tho a DT466 would be more fitting.

Now there's a thought. They're plentiful.

Enough chit chat. How's the stude comming along?

But more importantly. What thanksgiving pies are you planing to make?

Yada yada yada. Studebaker is stuck at the bottom of an emotional hill in high gear. I hope to get it shifted into a gear that will let it move soon.

Making two pumpkin for Thanksgiving, then a cherry for home, and a pecan for my Zumba teacher. She's bringing lunch for our next carpentry session so I said I'd make a pie and she popped off "Pecan!"


PIE?????????
I love Pie! The only thing better than a Pie is another Pie.

I love pie too, and learning to make pie crust was as enlightening as learning to weld.:lol_hitti You no longer have to rely on someone else to fix something you need.:rocker:

Cobblers are pretty good too.

We'll have the gobbler for Thanksgiving.

Oh.

You said cobblers. I may try to do that. Need a few more tools, I think I could learn to be a cobbler. Everybody needs shoes.
 

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You can set up your cobbler station right next to the broom bench there should be room!

No it shoukd go next to the sock nitting machine. You know foot stuff with foot stuff.

Shoot! now I've got side tracked on cobblers. I want to hear about the pies squarish cousin the peach, black berry, Blue berry, and sand plum cobblers.
 
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