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No it shoukd go next to the sock nitting machine. You know foot stuff with foot stuff.

Shoot! now I've got side tracked on cobblers. I want to hear about the pies squarish cousin the peach, black berry, Blue berry, and sand plum cobblers.

There's a sock nit ting machine?
Where the heck is that at?
Maybe it's in the caboose?

I agree We should really be talking about pies and such and not this other tom foolery!
Don't forget about the classic pumpkin pie as well!
 
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Andy hope you and family have good Thanksgiving and you get to feeling better. Dwight
 
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You can set up your cobbler station right next to the broom bench there should be room!

Great idea, I already have the round nail holder and cobbler's hammer. But I'm thinking it should go near the blacksmith shop, if I need to make some horse shoes. Too many options.

Hey how'd this go from cobbler to cobbler so fast?

I guess everybody is hungry for a new hobby? I already cobble up most of the stuff I do.

No it should go next to the sock knitting machine. You know foot stuff with foot stuff.

Shoot! now I've got side tracked on cobblers. I want to hear about the pies squarish cousin the peach, black berry, Blue berry, and sand plum cobblers.

Sand plum cobbler, I think he worked on the square in Sand Plum, Oklahoma, didn't he? Fine cobbler. Even a square cobbler. Or cobbler on the square.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and family and friends!

Thank you! And Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!!

There's a sock knitting machine?
Where the heck is that at?
Maybe it's in the caboose?

I agree We should really be talking about pies and such and not this other tom foolery!
Don't forget about the classic pumpkin pie as well!

Circular sock knitting machine. From around 1900 (can't say the turn of the century anymore:mad:) one of the most interesting machines I've ever seen.

Pumpkin pie coming up!

Andy hope you and family have good Thanksgiving and you get to feeling better. Dwight

Thank you, and Happy Thanksgiving to you!! I am feeling better and expect to be 100% soon.


Well darn, I thought I'd posted a clip of it working. If not, here's one

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I don't have a short clip of making a heel or manually stitching the toe, but the machines make nice socks.
 
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No shop work today, had to doctor the bull this morning. Did get my new vacuum sand blaster together but didn't try it out yet.

I promised to make two pumpkin pies for lunch at my sister in law's tomorrow (she is also my grandson's wife:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti)

A couple of pictures to verify I make my own crusts.

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Making pie crusts is a blast. Old recipe called "Never Fail" and so far so good.

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I hope each and every one has a safe an happy Thanksgiving Day in the USA, and everybody else be thankful with us.
 

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It is a nice sculpture, and larger than life size... Can't hijack my thread, it's going nowhere anyway!! :willy_nil:willy_nil

I hadnt realised it was larger than life and larger than life.

I watched this last night..
Great viewing if you havent seen it and you have a couple of hours to spare.

We are all about Mince Pies in the UK at this time of year.. and no, confusingly, 'mincemeat' doesnt have any meat in it these days.. its all fruit and spices.

Where you going?.. no place.. you must be going some place, you left here didnt you?
Where you going?.. nowhere.. well, you mind if i come along?

Quote credits: Joe & Curt :)

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Andy: Pies look amazing and bet they taste even better. Hows the bull doing cause I think I saw you mentioned the vet stopped by for a visit?

Made any brooms lately?

Its been a pleasure getting to know you and reading about how you spend your time on Saturday.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family
 
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Happy Thanksgiving!
The cake looks delicious!:thumbup:

Thank you! The family liked the pies :) By your photographs I know you are thankful for the beauty around you.

I hadnt realised it was larger than life and larger than life.

I watched this last night..
Great viewing if you havent seen it and you have a couple of hours to spare.

We are all about Mince Pies in the UK at this time of year.. and no, confusingly, 'mincemeat' doesnt have any meat in it these days.. its all fruit and spices.

Where you going?.. no place.. you must be going some place, you left here didnt you?
Where you going?.. nowhere.. well, you mind if i come along?

I looked it up after I spouted off about it being larger than life size, it is indeed 135% size statue.

Come along!:rocker: We'll go nowhere together:willy_nil

Andy: Pies look amazing and bet they taste even better. Hows the bull doing cause I think I saw you mentioned the vet stopped by for a visit?

Made any brooms lately?

Its been a pleasure getting to know you and reading about how you spend your time on Saturday.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family

Thank you, pie was good. I only doctored the bull, gave him another round of a different antibiotic. He is marginally better, time will tell.

Have not made any brooms since my Zomba teacher and her friends came for a craft day. I need to make a few but I've been focused on the Studebaker. Out of focus, but still focused.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. Life is good.
 

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What is this Thanksgiving you speak of?..

hold on, Google is your friend...

Oh!.. its like Mabon!.. but thats in September :headscrat

You leave it 'til very late in the year in the US.
 

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Mincemeat is my favorite PIE and PEACH is my favorite cobbler and has nothing to do with shoe making.

Sounds like you had a very nice Thanksgiving in OK.

Great Thanksgiving here and we had Mincemeat Pie too.

Glad to hear you are feeling better Andy.
I was down for a while with some kind of crud but am back in the shop a little more now getting my old truck back together. It has a long ways to go.
 

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Hey Andy, looks like you had a tasty Thanksgiving. Glad to see you're still not getting much accomplished.;)

Just wanted to stop buy and say hi to some of my old friends. (Not that I'm saying you're old, just a ................oh hell, if the shoe fits....:lol_hitti)
 
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What is this Thanksgiving you speak of?..

hold on, Google is your friend...

Oh!.. its like Mabon!.. but thats in September :headscrat

You leave it 'til very late in the year in the US.

Glad you have Google :)

Originally giving thanks for a successful harvest which insured survival through the winter, the current date coincides nicely with the annual breakeven date for a typical retail business, so the books turning to the black gave us Black Friday the day after Thanksgiving which is now the kickoff for the ultimate race for profits ending around Christmas. A marketer's dream.

Political correctness negates any references to a specific religion unless it is non-Christian, however Christmas shopping continues to drive the economy through excesses in spending. And thereby is as important to China as it is to the US.

Mincemeat is my favorite PIE and PEACH is my favorite cobbler and has nothing to do with shoe making.

Sounds like you had a very nice Thanksgiving in OK.

Great Thanksgiving here and we had Mincemeat Pie too.

Glad to hear you are feeling better Andy.
I was down for a while with some kind of crud but am back in the shop a little more now getting my old truck back together. It has a long ways to go.

Have you had steak cobbler? (steak that tastes like old shoe leather?)

Sorry to hear you've been down. Me too, and it is almost time to blow and go again!

None from Mrs. Lovett's shop, please.

Now, now, Nellie could be offended. And we wouldn't want to do that, now would we?

Hey Andy, looks like you had a tasty Thanksgiving. Glad to see you're still not getting much accomplished.;)

Just wanted to stop buy and say hi to some of my old friends. (Not that I'm saying you're old, just a ................oh hell, if the shoe fits....:lol_hitti)

Great to see you hanging around Dan!

Glad to see you, and hope things are going well. If the shoe fits... reminds me of the story of the ancient Foo bird.

Come back anytime!


I think I'm going to survive my cold. Still not much energy but thought I'd pass along the view from the feed container as I'm feeding every morning.

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Hershey's shadow in the picture, she had just stepped away. I like feeding square bales and love the view every morning:bounce:

Thanks for stopping in!!
 

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Finally got to the shop today. Finished up another vacuum nozzle. Yes, I could buy a plastic one for $2.75 but I need the welding practice. 20 gauge and several portions I had a 1/8" gap.

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TIG is getting easier. And faster. Maybe I'll do better on the Studebaker now.
 

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Andy: those square bales of hay remind me of my days as a teenager helping my uncle throw bales of hay onto his old flatbed trailer. my older cousins threw them around like the bales weighed a pound, but as you know they don't even if they are fully dry. looks like a good exercise program you have stacked up there.

I know you've got more than a few tractors and trucks and vehicles sitting out on your land and wondering if you might post up a few more pictures cause i saw you posted up a cool old Ford F-5 on HotFr8's thread?

very nice welding work and are you getting close to firing up the new stove?

sounds like you still are not 100%, but hoping you will be soon.

cheers
 
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Andy: those square bales of hay remind me of my days as a teenager helping my uncle throw bales of hay onto his old flatbed trailer. my older cousins threw them around like the bales weighed a pound, but as you know they don't even if they are fully dry. looks like a good exercise program you have stacked up there.

There were about 350 bales when I restacked them. It's old hay but still good, the calves are tearing it up.

My younger cousin was driving the tractor and I was on the wagon with my uncle walking alongside throwing bales up to me to stack when I was about 10. When we got higher my uncle started throwing harder and with four bales high on the wagon about half the bales he threw up flew right over the wagon before I could stop them. He didn't realize it until the end of the field when we turned around and saw all the hay on the ground. He was not real happy.


I know you've got more than a few tractors and trucks and vehicles sitting out on your land and wondering if you might post up a few more pictures cause i saw you posted up a cool old Ford F-5 on HotFr8's thread?

The F-5 has been on my thread a couple of times, I'll take a few more pictures of what is sitting around just for fun. Did you see the 56 Chevy 2 door hardtop in the ditch?

very nice welding work and are you getting close to firing up the new stove?

I made a little test burn the other day. The chimney really draws hard. Putting ductwork in now to feed it into the adjacent room. But it was 71F today and I survived without additional heating.

sounds like you still are not 100%, but hoping you will be soon.

cheers

Thanks for stopping by! I feel better already :bounce::bounce:
 

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Andy, I first helped baling hay when I was 8. The family with the foster kids was given all the broken bales for free so I thought it was cool that I could lift a bale into the bed of the pickup. The next year I helped the crew with full bales and I ended up like you as a catcher rather than a thower. Had I been on the ground there would have been less than a dozen bales on the flatbed of the big truck at the end of the day. I got to drive the truck for about 30 seconds but I could work the clutch and gas or see out the windshield but not both. In addition, steering was not required, in fact it was forbidden. I still called it "driving."

The crew baling hay that second year really knew what they were doing. The other kid (Bernard) and I only had to give the bales a hip to get them tight in the stack. I feel a little used because I realize they didn't pay me a dime for three days' work. It was a good lesson for my eventual career where more than a few hours work was unpaid.
 

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Glad to hear you are getting over your sickness Andy, but expected to see some progress on the Stude'. :( Just like me to kick someone when he is down right? I have bucked a few bales of hay in my day but don't get the "opportunity" as often any more and when I do I try to find something else to occupy my time. :)
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Andy, I first helped baling hay when I was 8. The family with the foster kids was given all the broken bales for free so I thought it was cool that I could lift a bale into the bed of the pickup. The next year I helped the crew with full bales and I ended up like you as a catcher rather than a thower. Had I been on the ground there would have been less than a dozen bales on the flatbed of the big truck at the end of the day. I got to drive the truck for about 30 seconds but I could work the clutch and gas or see out the windshield but not both. In addition, steering was not required, in fact it was forbidden. I still called it "driving."

The crew baling hay that second year really knew what they were doing. The other kid (Bernard) and I only had to give the bales a hip to get them tight in the stack. I feel a little used because I realize they didn't pay me a dime for three days' work. It was a good lesson for my eventual career where more than a few hours work was unpaid.

When I was a kid I would have been ashamed to ask for pay for having so much fun hauling hay. I like baling it even more and as an adult baled a lot of hay for essentially no pay.:eyecrazy: Thanks for stopping by.

Glad to hear you are getting over your sickness Andy, but expected to see some progress on the Stude'. :( Just like me to kick someone when he is down right? I have bucked a few bales of hay in my day but don't get the "opportunity" as often any more and when I do I try to find something else to occupy my time. :)
JB

I just had a cold. No big deal except to me. :mad:

But at least you stopped in, even if it was to kick me.:bowdown:

thanks for the link!

OIF, thanks for the video linked you posted as well!

Hope you all had a great Turkey day!

The video is not much, just something a friend shot to show his wife. But it does give you an idea of what a sock machine does.

Thanks for the visit, we had a great Thanksgiving!

Andy, the pies looked good. Best of luck to you and the bull.

Thank you! The bull is getting better. But I can't risk turning him in with my neighbor's bull with the horns. Another guy has a good bull for sale (he's keeping back the bull's heifers) so I'm seriously considering buying that bull and run him for a few years. Don't know what to do with the crippled bull, may let them work together.

Took a walk in the woods this morning. Went down through the farm and stopped at the water outlet. Gravel looks like it's holding up well.

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Had some shop time today, finally!

Fit the transition piece to the running board on the Studebaker.

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Then welded it out. TIG is getting easier.

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Looked around and decided there was no reason to not weld the running board in place. Finally.

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It fits pretty good at the front. Part of the curve is rusted through and needs a patch plate.

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The transition inside fits fairly well (at the back) and the weld is mostly 100% penetration.

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More to come!
 

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The support section at the back was a conundrum to me as to how to get it welded in because once the running board is installed it is close quarters even though part of the skin is off.

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I had decided I could reach in and gas weld it. But I recently had bought a MIG welder and figured I could reach in with it too. TIG welded the remaining vertical seam on the left.

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Then finished it up with the MIG. It worked pretty well.

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Welding the top horizontal seam I burned through some very thin metal. So the big glob is a welded up burn though. At least it's all welded now.

Here's my TIG and stick rig

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And the new MIG

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I went to buy a cylinder of CO2 but the guy at the welding supply talked me into Argon/CO2 mix. I'm glad he did, it welds very smoothly. I've resisted MIG after a bad experience in 1972. I figured it was time to try it again. The little bit of practice I did went very easily but the fitup on this brace was poor so I did an interrupted weld to get across the gap.

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Marked out the thin part of the curve above the running board.

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Cut it with right angle die grinder with a 3" 1/16" cutoff disc. Goes pretty well.

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I had just put a small tack at the front of the running board so I welded it out with the MIG. Need to learn more but I'm going to like this.

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Then cut and hand formed the patch panel out of 18 gauge.

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Clamped it in place. Fitup is not too good, but it will fly.

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Interestingly, the panel clamps from a good company have short screws. Those from Harbor Freight have longer screws and are much better for pulling misaligned panels into place.

Got it mostly tacked into place. Apparently it needs a bit of shrinking in the last curve on the right side. Going to try to do that in place rather than cutting it back out.

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Feels good to make a little progress. Now it's time to put the curved sections I made weeks ago together and onto the bottom of the running board.

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Andy, getting some practice with your MIG would be a great idea:thumbup:

IMHO, a MIG would be great for what you are doing, less cumbersome to use than your TIG in some instances..

Looking great..:thumbup:

I agree. It should be a bit cheaper also and easier to control the heat. If your MIG is using the flux core wire buy the flow meter and use gas. It is much cleaner and you will have more visibility hence better weld quality.
 

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Andy: is that standard practice to weld rebar onto the door framing while you are cutting out the rot and welding new pieces back on? you seem to be doing a great job as i watch and learn. also i noticed the sharpie MADE IN USE on the running board and were those something you could order online or did you or one of your friends make them?

can 2 bulls live in peace on a farm or would you need to put them in different parts of your fields and have them fenced off from each other?

I guess haying on a farm is sort of like a chore similar to city boys mowing their lawns or taking out the garbage and it's just EXERCISE. I also don't recall every getting paid, but i know my aunt was a great cook and we never went hungry.

have a great day and are you over that cold bug yet?

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The tig welds are looking much better, and the mig is looking great as well, you may have missed your calling as a welder. Nice to see progress on the Stude'.
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Andy, getting some practice with your MIG would be a great idea:thumbup:

IMHO, a MIG would be great for what you are doing, less cumbersome to use than your TIG in some instances..

Looking great..:thumbup:

Thanks for the advice! Obviously I'm feeling my way. I'm still figuring out what works. In my mind I equate MIG with stick and TIG with gas welding. I pretty much know when I need to use gas instead of stick. MIG is deceptively simple, I'm concerned about lack of fusion and perhaps panel cracking after grinding. I need practice and need to learn when MIG should be best.

I agree. It should be a bit cheaper also and easier to control the heat. If your MIG is using the flux core wire buy the flow meter and use gas. It is much cleaner and you will have more visibility hence better weld quality.

Thanks for the comments, Bobby. I have a little flux core welder which I bought several years ago and almost converted it to MIG but that was going to cost just about the same as a new MIG with higher amperage.

I'm using 75% Ar 25% CO2. I've only welded with MIG on CO2 before, and many years ago. Beautiful welds but no penetration, and some failure because of that.

I don't understand your comment that it is easier to control the heat on MIG. I use the foot pedal with the TIG and can back it right down to weld to paper thin and across a gap. I'm learning on the MIG but have to interrupt and take short bursts when it starts to burn through. I'm thinking I'm going to have lots of cold shuts with the interrupted arc.

With TIG I can see exactly what I'm doing and pretty much know whether I'm getting good penetration. It's also easy to go back and pick up an area of lack of fusion. I'm real unsure of MIG as I'm learning.

As usual, advice welcomed. More comments will be appreciated.

Andy: is that standard practice to weld rebar onto the door framing while you are cutting out the rot and welding new pieces back on?

Rebar, no, I've never seen that used as a brace. Good guys use square or round tubing or angle iron. I used what was handy. My major fear is that the door will not fit when I go to mount it and I have to cut and reweld.

you seem to be doing a great job as i watch and learn. also i noticed the sharpie MADE IN USE on the running board and were those something you could order online or did you or one of your friends make them?

Thanks! I ordered the running boards online when I first started as they seemed to be a bit more sophisticated than I could make. It came with Mr. Clark's name and Made in USA. Nice.

can 2 bulls live in peace on a farm or would you need to put them in different parts of your fields and have them fenced off from each other?

Two bulls can live together, one just has to establish dominance before they get along. Really the same with adjoining landowners. Bulls will fight and tear down fences until they decide who's the top bull. When I had five herds in five different pastures (none of them adjacent to each other) I always rotated cows instead of bulls. Once the bulls were getting along with their neighbors I saw no reason to take them somewhere else to do it all over again. One place my neighbor to the north would bring in a different bull every year so we had a fight every year, and usually 100 ft of barbed wire fence destroyed before they were done (broken wooden posts, bent steel posts, broken wire). One pasture at home is so much easier.

I guess haying on a farm is sort of like a chore similar to city boys mowing their lawns or taking out the garbage and it's just EXERCISE. I also don't recall every getting paid, but i know my aunt was a great cook and we never went hungry.

Did you haul hay for your uncle?

have a great day and are you over that cold bug yet?

cheers

I'm back to 98%, just an occasional cough. Thanks for the visit!

Andy you make a great welder. :thumbup:

Thank you! I don't feel very good at this point.

The tig welds are looking much better, and the mig is looking great as well, you may have missed your calling as a welder. Nice to see progress on the Stude'.
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TIG is getting better. My confidence level is rising and I'm getting the weld metal where I want it with very few burnthroughs. I'm finally getting comfortable with backing the amperage off as it looks like it's getting too hot to let it firm up rather than stopping to let it cool. I'd just as soon use TIG now as gas, except where I can't get the TIG torch.

MIG is another story. I'm very uncertain and cautious at this point.

And, hopefully with Bobby's help, I'll figure out when it is better to use MIG.

So with suggestions today I decided to try welding out the patch panel with MIG instead of TIG. I welded some without gas (forgot to turn the bottle on), and it did better than I thought it would. With gas it does a lot better.:lol: I had been TIG welding from the back knowing after finishing the front there will be most of the weld metal still on the back. Welded MIG from the front.

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The MIG did ok, especially after I got the shielding gas turned on. Then I set about to grind it flush to look for quality of weld. I saw almost no porosity and very few lack of fusion areas. Some of the root gaps were tight and others were as much as 1/4" wide. I did burn through several places but got them filled with metal. Also took out my brace as it is redundant and I need to fit the door before going farther.

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When I had my shops no one welded with the tig just the mig and we had very few failures and when we did it was always the techs lack of skill.

Your welds look as good as many of my techs welds did I'm impressed
Watching your progress makes me want to pull my cabover back in the shop and weld on it a bit
 

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My experience was if that Lincoln clicks between power settings, You want to be closer to correct in the wire size than you need to be with my Miller which has a variable knob.

That Stude will be plenty solid when you are done I think.
 

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Welds are certainly looking much better! All it takes is a little practice. Welding in general is about 20 % know how and about 80% practice.
Ask 10 weldors and you'll get 12 opinions...so here's mine. For what you're doing, TIG doesnt have any real big advantage over gas welding. A lot of professional restorers actually prefer gas welding, it has a sort of self annealing that makes the weld easier to planish. Some even go so far as to say they wont MIG at all because the weld is so hard.I do think its a heck of a lot easier to spot weld with the MIG, especially if you're having to hold the piece with one hand.
The big reason I like MIG instead of stick for some jobs, is that there's no slag to clean up, and you dont have to keep changing rods. The biggest reason the rest of the world likes it, is there's less skill involved. Pop always said he could teach a one armed monkey to run a MIG gun.Of course, as you have discovered, its very easy to get a good looking weld that just lays on top of the surface and has no penetration.That is why you see so many shoddy repairs from backyard , self taught "welders". I have a nice 220V Miller MIG machine, and I use it a lot (well, I used to) but its not a do-all, end-all solution for everything...it has its place. So does gas welding.:bounce:
Good Progress...carry on.:beer:
Thanks for the Coke.
 

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Andy: my uncle had a 200+ acre farm, but the freeway cut it in half when i was maybe 6 or 8 years old that left him about 100 acres with about half on each side of the freeway. i'm guessing he had maybe about 100 dairy cows that he'd milk and have around crapping on the awesome river bank's sand where we all liked to go swimming. speaking of which ever sink your barefoot in what you thought was a hard cow pie (or buffalo chip is maybe what you call them) and have it be soft in the middle?

I probably caught and stacked more of those square type bales than was able to throw them and my other cousins liked driving the tractor which i think i only did a few times cause i liked faster vehicles at the time.

Welding and talk about welding is AWESOME so keep up the good work and I hope the door still fits and i'm guessing that it will.

i stopped for an ice tea (or sweet tea if you don't like regular ice tea) and didn't see any, but did notice you were running a bit low on cokes so when you feel better a refill of the machine might be in order. :D
 
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Andy
When I had my shops no one welded with the tig just the mig and we had very few failures and when we did it was always the techs lack of skill.

Your welds look as good as many of my techs welds did I'm impressed
Watching your progress makes me want to pull my cabover back in the shop and weld on it a bit.

Thanks for the kind words! Wish you lived closer, we'd pull the COE over to my place and have at it in your spare time. Ford, isn't it? I'd love to learn from you.

My experience was if that Lincoln clicks between power settings, You want to be closer to correct in the wire size than you need to be with my Miller which has a variable knob.

That Stude will be plenty solid when you are done I think.

Yes, the Lincoln has step power settings (voltage I believe) and variable wire feed. I don't know enough about MIG yet to understand when the setting is not ideal. The machine has a pretty good chart inside the box cover plate and I've just been going by that.

I hope it will be solid and with no rattling when my granddaughter gets it to drive. If she is still young enough to drive, that is.

Welds are certainly looking much better! All it takes is a little practice. Welding in general is about 20 % know how and about 80% practice.
Ask 10 weldors and you'll get 12 opinions...so here's mine. For what you're doing, TIG doesnt have any real big advantage over gas welding. A lot of professional restorers actually prefer gas welding, it has a sort of self annealing that makes the weld easier to planish. Some even go so far as to say they wont MIG at all because the weld is so hard.I do think its a heck of a lot easier to spot weld with the MIG, especially if you're having to hold the piece with one hand.
The big reason I like MIG instead of stick for some jobs, is that there's no slag to clean up, and you dont have to keep changing rods. The biggest reason the rest of the world likes it, is there's less skill involved. Pop always said he could teach a one armed monkey to run a MIG gun.Of course, as you have discovered, its very easy to get a good looking weld that just lays on top of the surface and has no penetration.That is why you see so many shoddy repairs from backyard , self taught "welders". I have a nice 220V Miller MIG machine, and I use it a lot (well, I used to) but its not a do-all, end-all solution for everything...it has its place. So does gas welding.:bounce:
Good Progress...carry on.:beer:
Thanks for the Coke.

Thanks for the kind words and great comments. I sure understand the variety of advice from experienced welders. When I was a welding engineer in an ASME Code shop we were subject to all the Section IX requirements but in reality we have very few procedures we used for most of the work. ASME welding procedures require you specify variables such as voltage, amperage, and travel speed. Some engineers expect the welders to follow the procedure. In my experience if the weld has to pass radiographic examination you best let the welder do it as he likes. Try telling a successful welder he is traveling too slow or too fast.:lol_hitti Welding rod, preheat, interpass temperature, and post heat are really the only variables which must be maintained so long as the radiograph is good. I've known some real crackerjack welders but all their experience was in pressure vessels and piping.

I thought I would have trouble controlling the heat and warpage with gas and wanted to get into TIG in large part to build up parts for repair machining. I might ought to try some panel welding with gas, though. Thanks for the comments on those processes.

I have Ed Barr's Sheet Metal Fabrication book. It seems quite authoritative. He's almost my neighbor up in Kansas, looks like they have quite a school up there. But I need more of an explanation as to why you planish welds. I'm a little fuzzy there.

These TIG weld deposits don't seem to be very hard. And I haven't pounded on the MIG welds much. I really bought the MIG for structural, primarily the 16 gauge and heavier brackets on the Studebaker. It worked OK on the 18 gauge but as my son in law (Code welder, large pressure vessels) pointed out today, when you interrupt weld you start with no gas and finish with no gas so you get some rough looking welds. The MIG (at least mine) does not have a post flow like the TIG.

When I get to welds where I only have access to one side, like the door skins, and which will be visible, it seems I can get a better weld with less metal with TIG (or gas) but if I have good fitup maybe a series of MIG tacks will be better (and colder). Do I sound confused?

I like not changing rods with the MIG, but I also can't weld on thin stuff very good with stick. When we started putting in pipe root beads with MIG they were very wide root gaps (5/32" or more) on rolling welds. still TIG on root on all in position welds. Of course pipeliners stick the root and fill, all downhill. Given the choice on sticking a structural weld I'm always going to do downhill stringers.

But I digress. I've still got a lot of hidden welding to do on the Studebaker so I need to figure out what I want to use where. For patch panels it seems a TIG tack is quick and neat.

Please keep watching me and pass along your wisdom. And don't be frustrated if I seem to ignore you.:pimpflash

Thanks for the visit!!

Andy: my uncle had a 200+ acre farm, but the freeway cut it in half when i was maybe 6 or 8 years old that left him about 100 acres with about half on each side of the freeway. i'm guessing he had maybe about 100 dairy cows that he'd milk and have around crapping on the awesome river bank's sand where we all liked to go swimming. speaking of which ever sink your barefoot in what you thought was a hard cow pie (or buffalo chip is maybe what you call them) and have it be soft in the middle?

I probably caught and stacked more of those square type bales than was able to throw them and my other cousins liked driving the tractor which i think i only did a few times cause i liked faster vehicles at the time.

Welding and talk about welding is AWESOME so keep up the good work and I hope the door still fits and i'm guessing that it will.

i stopped for an ice tea (or sweet tea if you don't like regular ice tea) and didn't see any, but did notice you were running a bit low on cokes so when you feel better a refill of the machine might be in order. :D

Glad you know what handling square bales is all about!

Barefoot in the pasture when green manure oozes between your toes is just a reality of barefoot on the farm as a kid. They are cow patties or cow pies. Buffalo chips come from the American Bison and are not found native on my farm. Even so, if they are green I don't think they classify as "chips" yet. Apparently they made great cooking and heating fuel for the pioneers. Other than the crappy smell.


Spent the day doing chores, looking for antique dishes in the attic (don't even ask) and bull shopping. Hooked up the trailer and drove the five miles to the friend who has a good bull for sale. He was a big guy, maybe 2,500#. And when we were there he was upset with the company. Enough that I did not buy him. Great bull but his disposition could get you killed and I'm not finished with the Studebaker yet, so if I got killed by the new bull my granddaughter would be disappointed. And I don't want to disappoint her.

So we came home with an empty trailer. I decided to let my bull heal and keep using the neighbors bull until the neighbor figures out I'm liking his bull in my pasture. Reminds me of the story arguing with an inspector (or auditor) is like mud wrestling with a pig. After a while you start to realize the pig is enjoying it. When the neighbor figures out I'm actually happy to use his bull for free he may try to keep him home.

Also took my wife to the big city for lunch, bought a bit of feed for the calves, and stopped by Harbor Freight:rocker::rocker::rocker:

Had a good day:lol:
 

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I am glad that you passed on the mad cow (bull). If you were hurt then we would miss all of the fun and informative posts.

When you went to the big city is that Tulsa or Cleveland? They both are bigger than Terlton.

Dwight
 
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He was really nice looking, but I did not want him in my corral. He probably would have settled down in the pasture but I like GJ too!

Actually we went to Sand Springs. Suburb of Tulsa.

And you're right, most family reunions are bigger than Terlton. Except of course ours, where each member takes on four to sixteen spots on the family tree. How many families do you know where a young boy has only ever had two or three grand parents. But he is related to each of them four different ways.:willy_nil

Glad you stopped in.
 

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I don't have an personal experience with planishing welds but did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once. :bounce: From what I have read once you get your gaps in the panels set and begin to make tacks as the welds cool they start to close the gap ever so slightly. You would planish them after each tack in a consistent manner so as to not open up the gap but also enough to bring the gap back to original. MP&C's thread has a lot of great info on this as I'm sure there are many other resources on the web. Hope this helps, and if not my advise was worth what I charged. :thumbup:
JB
 

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Pretty much what JB mentioned. When spot or dot welding the weld shrinks the material relative to its surrounding material creating a pinching effect and planishing flattens the bead to push it out again. In effect reducing the rippling effect you get when **** welding patch panels as a series of interleaved spotwelds. A patch like the corner of a larger flat panel might also cause it to tin can and this is supposed to help reduce that.

Making great progress on the Studebaker Andy... wish I had a few more Saturdays like that.

You mentioned Harbour Freight... what did you buy? :)
 

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Andy: your welding skills and the information on this thread are improving almost daily.

hope you are 100% again or still under the weather with a cold/flu?

so having your NEIGHBOR'S bull service your cows while your bull with the bad foot heals? sounds like a WIN WIN and happy you didn't buy the one that had you in his sites at the sales barn.

hope you are enjoying your SATURDAY!!
 
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