Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[Farmall450]

Those slip on tracks are nice. I wonder how much slack all new carriage bolts would take up?

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, I don't want to tread too heavily on your thread, but it's good to see you getting Bob back on track.

Andy, thank you for the detailed explanation on track adjustment, I have seen our workshop guys do it at work but never paid all that much attention..

Regards

 

[mrbc]

Interesting concept that the 80's were simpler times. I guess everything is a matter of perspective. I was born in 49 so I was a kid in the 50's. As a teenager in the 60's I miss those years. I remember wanting to go to San Francisco when I graduated high school summer of 67. But I was too practical and stayed home to go to college in the fall. Sometimes I wish I had just taken off and gone.

Well, every decade is "simpler" when we are in our childhood at the time. I was born in 74 so the late 70's and 80's were simpler to me too..

I think most everyone (in the 1st world, at least) grows up and realizes later that they didn't have to try to grow up so fast. What's they saying, "youth is wasted on the young?" But... adulthood leads to jobs, which provides money to buy power tools to put in our shops!... so that's good too...

Cheers!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy: up to your old tricks again with BOB i see. I know you could probably design and build a better BOB if you didn't already have so much on your plate, but i'm curious if using grade 8 or higher bolts might be something to help you with the WEARING DOWN ISSUE.

These are grade 8 or stronger carriage bolts, proprietary to Mclaren. They caution you to not use standard carriage bolts. This is pretty severe service. The bolts replace the pins in bulldozer tracks. They run in mud, sand, and whatever else.

i've got a bin of 3 or 3.5 inch long 3/4 inch 400 alloy bolts that i think some of the guys say could go up in space or on a submarines exterior. how big are your holes?

If those are Monel 400 that's some expensive copper nickle material. I might try to talk you out of a few of them. They probably aren't particularly high strength, but have excellent corrosion resistance and high temperature properties.

speaking of DON you might want to take your bride for a little road trip and visit his PARTY GARAGE IN PERSON cause he really does love STUFF and he might have more stories than you about almost all his things. he does still love the hunt so i wouldn't be surprised if he brings a commercial truck with an empty container to Kansas and Oklahoma to pick up a few things for his new WESTERN TOWN he's been talking about.

Much as I'd like to go visit Don my wife just can't travel like that. I'm sure looking forward to his visit, though.

good to hear you might get some shop time or maybe a chance to CLEAN UP while i spend this month trying to vacate one of my 20x20 storage units and take a few days off to celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary now that we are empty nesters (we do still have a cat though telling us what to do).

cheers

My folks had a sign "The Cat and his Staff Live Here".

Wish I could bring a truck and help you vacate the storage unit...

I'm sorry for being rude. It won't happen again I promise. Can I please hang around still.



Glen

Of course I didn't indicate I thought you were rude. I just said you interrupted. Which gave me a breather. My post would have been longer if I hadn't had a little rest.

I've gotten used to your hanging around, it'd be lonely without you.

you Have to pay double for the Pay per view video's from now on,

or Andy say's your back in the clear!

Hmmm, make 'em pay double. Hmm, I could get rich I've already got a YouTube video with over 100 views so I'm thinking the money is about to start rolling in from there.

You guys are just being mean now. You know I can't afford to pay double.

Don't get too excited, I have an easy payment plan with low interest rates. Just sign up and I'll take care of you

Andy, I don't want to tread too heavily on your thread, but it's good to see you getting Bob back on track.

I'm just glad we talk the same language. I'm pleased you were pulling for me on the track tension effort. I think we're rolling now. Glad you took time to dispense some wisdom.

Those slip on tracks are nice. I wonder how much slack all new carriage bolts would take up?

Most of the slack would come out. The dogbone links are the other wear point. They are a cast material and may be very hard. However, it's too early to replace the bolts. Maybe when they are about 1/2 worn through (or when one breaks) it will be time to take the tracks off and replace all the bolts. That's an all day job, and by then the dogbones may need to be replaced as well. Right now I'm just doing track takeup as required. It may be three or four years before I have to do a full replacement.

Andy, thank you for the detailed explanation on track adjustment, I have seen our workshop guys do it at work but never paid all that much attention..

Regards

I really didn't want to tell him to his face what an excellent piece of literature he had created. Well thought out and no wasted words.

I wasn't paying attention either.

Well, every decade is "simpler" when we are in our childhood at the time. I was born in 74 so the late 70's and 80's were simpler to me too..

I think most everyone (in the 1st world, at least) grows up and realizes later that they didn't have to try to grow up so fast. What's they saying, "youth is wasted on the young?" But... adulthood leads to jobs, which provides money to buy power tools to put in our shops!... so that's good too...

Cheers!

Well put

Fortunately I now have the tools and don't have to work. Mmmm it feel good.

Thanks for all the visits and comments. I really appreciate having the company!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Finally got started back on the Studebaker. I had chipped off the loose fiberglass from the right floorboard but there was still a fair amount stuck on. Spent quite a while chipping and scraping until I tried the needle scaler. That took the fiberglass right off. Ran out of time. The running board is not as bad on this side, but the floor board and toe board are both worse.

The bottom of the kick panel is rusted through too.

Now I don't have to be bored anymore!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, given what you have already achieved on the other side, this one is a no brainer to a man of your talents..

 

[jbmatth]

I have a quick solution for you Andy. Down the road from you a ways is a perfect floorboard with just a little effort fit right in. I don't have a photo but it is about 6' off of the ground, an octagon shape, red with white letters. If that isn't your style how about some of the new license plates off of the county sheriffs cars? You can just tell them I told you it was okay, but don't use my real name please.

JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, given what you have already achieved on the other side, this one is a no brainer to a man of your talents..

Thanks for your kind words. I'm hoping to do a little better on this side. Get welds that you won't feel through the carpet.

I'm glad to have broken the string of doing whatever else gets in the way and back to the pickup.

I have a quick solution for you Andy. Down the road from you a ways is a perfect floorboard with just a little effort fit right in. I don't have a photo but it is about 6' off of the ground, an octagon shape, red with white letters. If that isn't your style how about some of the new license plates off of the county sheriffs cars? You can just tell them I told you it was okay, but don't use my real name please.

JB

Here we go again. Metallurgically speaking an aluminum stop sign is not well suited to weld into a steel cab. But I have been cutting them up to go in the foundry I don't see why we need so many stop signs out in the sticks, most people know when to stop or run them anyway. Same deal with the license plates. When's the last time you saw a deputy stopped for not having a license plate? Once they're melted I'm clean...

 

[bolensboneyard]

Thanks for your kind words. I'm hoping to do a little better on this side. Get welds that you won't feel through the carpet.

I'm glad to have broken the string of doing whatever else gets in the way and back to the pickup.



Here we go again. Metallurgically speaking an aluminum stop sign is not well suited to weld into a steel cab. But I have been cutting them up to go in the foundry I don't see why we need so many stop signs out in the sticks, most people know when to stop or run them anyway. Same deal with the license plates. When's the last time you saw a deputy stopped for not having a license plate? Once they're melted I'm clean...

Why not cast them into donuts and make hood ornaments for squad cars. Once the whole department has them displayed properly call for an internal investigation; stolen property on police cars! Would that not be a rolling donut? Headline FLYING STOLEN S_ _ _ IN A ROLLING DONUT ESCAPES WITH POLICE ******!

 

[jbmatth]

When did I say anything about welding the aluminum to the floor pan, putting words in my mouth...er...post again I see. Who else could say they have a custom cast aluminum floor pan? Sounds like a show car feature to me.
JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

Why not cast them into donuts and make hood ornaments for squad cars. Once the whole department has them displayed properly call for an internal investigation; stolen property on police cars! Would that not be a rolling donut? Headline FLYING STOLEN S_ _ _ IN A ROLLING DONUT ESCAPES WITH POLICE ******!

Ginny seriously needs to keep you occupied.

When did I say anything about welding the aluminum to the floor pan, putting words in my mouth...er...post again I see. Who else could say they have a custom cast aluminum floor pan? Sounds like a show car feature to me.
JB

I was thinking about knitting floor mats, then I could cast on...

 

[dreamingmuscle]

Could you knit flower patterns? It is going to be a girls truck after all.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: I'd love it if you could stop by with or without a trailer, but honestly other than about 20 or more tons of old steel stuff that you probably already own i'm not sure i have anything you NEED.

that said i did send you an email about my Alloy 400 bolts that are nickel copper and have their own bolt condom on each one so i'm betting they originally cost the buyer more than a little. i've got a use for some, but i have a few extra if you might have a project in mind. (maybe bolting the Dodge to the Studebaker?

looks like you and the guys are having fun and you are back to fixing the car/truck maker's faulty design flaws.

good luck with the second side and I'm not sure you posted a picture of the other door on and repaired or if you did i missed that.

cheers and have a great SATURDAY

 

[oldironfarmer]

Could you knit flower patterns? It is going to be a girls truck after all.

For floor mats, of course. But she is more style conscious than me so I don't think she will want any of my creative designs to show.

Andy: I'd love it if you could stop by with or without a trailer, but honestly other than about 20 or more tons of old steel stuff that you probably already own i'm not sure i have anything you NEED.

that said i did send you an email about my Alloy 400 bolts that are nickel copper and have their own bolt condom on each one so i'm betting they originally cost the buyer more than a little. i've got a use for some, but i have a few extra if you might have a project in mind. (maybe bolting the Dodge to the Studebaker?

looks like you and the guys are having fun and you are back to fixing the car/truck maker's faulty design flaws.

good luck with the second side and I'm not sure you posted a picture of the other door on and repaired or if you did i missed that.

cheers and have a great SATURDAY

I'll look for your email.

The door fit but I took it back off to keep the cab balanced. I also need to refurbish the doors. Had my son and kids up today so we had fun today. They brought the purple car back for repairs.

Transmission started leaking fluid, and he thinks the flex plate may be cracked. It is certainly making a funny sound.

They also hauled some free hay back home...


OK, I may be the last guy in the world to discover this, but it intrigued me. I had two very old framing squares I've been using in the car shop. They had a full coat of rust and I couldn't read the numbers so I decided to sand the patina off to make them usable. Very old squares, with all the rafter design information, and a lot of stuff I don't understand. Notice the fancy font on the numerals.

Then I noticed something I find incredible. The square is thicker at the heel and thinner on the tails, both of them.

They aren't worn, all the numbers and marks are clearly visible on both sides. It really makes the squares easy to use. The tails are light, and the heel is thick and strong. Both old squares are the same, and from different manufacturers.

Almost 3/16" at the heel

And less than 3/32" at the toe

Out of perhaps ten squares, these two are the only ones I have which are thin on the ends. I knew that old squares felt lighter, but I always thought they were just thinner, never dreamed they were tapered. How do you forge or roll a tapered square? Tapered in two directions, 100 years ago.

I'm awed. Now I'm on a quest to find a save more old tapered squares. These were dollar squares from antique stores. Incredible technology often overlooked.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Incredible technology often overlooked.

Andy, absolutely.

 

[Muzzy]

Out of perhaps ten squares, these two are the only ones I have which are thin on the ends. I knew that old squares felt lighter, but I always thought they were just thinner, never dreamed they were tapered. How do you forge or roll a tapered square? Tapered in two directions, 100 years ago.

I'm awed. Now I'm on a quest to find a save more old tapered squares. These were dollar squares from antique stores. Incredible technology often overlooked.

I vaguely remember my grandfather explaining the variable thickness to me once and how it made them easier to handle....now I too will have to find some old squares.

 

[oldironfarmer]

A little update on the Studebaker. Spent time with the needle scaler (grinder was slow) cleaning fiberglass off the right floorboard. It's corroded farther up than I thought.

And the kick plate is corroded pretty well too. This is a shot from outside.

I decided to make a couple of narrow patch plates up the edge, then finish the front floor with a single piece.

Love the rotisserie. In cutting out for the patches I couldn't get the grinder close to the kick plate, so spinning the cab over made it easy to cut from the outside.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[BBChevro]

All the talk about repurposing the property of law enforcement officers, reminds me of when theives broke into the local police station and stole all the toilets....
The culprits are still at large because the police don't have anything to go on.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, absolutely.

We get to thinking we can do nothing without computers, and extrapolate that to not much could have been done before computers.

I vaguely remember my grandfather explaining the variable thickness to me once and how it made them easier to handle....now I too will have to find some old squares.

Glad you knew! It really is a nice design, heavy at the heel to keep the 90 degree angle straight, and light tails which make handling much easier.

I'm really intrigued by how they were manufactured, and how they were engraved. They obviously are not stamped, while sanding them there was no raised material next to the lettering, maybe acid etched.

Thanks for stopping in, guys.

 

[oldironfarmer]

All the talk about repurposing the property of law enforcement officers, reminds me of when theives broke into the local police station and stole all the toilets....
The culprits are still at large because the police don't have anything to go on.

 

[dchance]

Andy I think it is a little late now but you should have asked your local tag agency to do a voluntary collection for you of old tags. Some good would have then come from the mandated issue of new tags.

Good to see you back on the Studebaker.

Dwight

 

[dreamingmuscle]

Well I went down the square rabbit hole. Heres what I found, along with better handling these explanations came up.

http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2014/07/11/the-chappell-square/

BobboMax
July 11, 2014
You may have noticed that old steel squares are thicker at the heel, while modern ones are stamped out of uniform sheet. I’ve only heard one credible explanation (almost a guess, really) from a guy in customer service at Stanley Works.

Back in the old days, when squares were made by blacksmiths, there was no sheet steel- two strips were “blacksmith” or “forge” welded together at the heel, which produced a double layer lump there, not conducive to good layout. So the next step was to work the lump smoothly out into the tongue & body, followed by cutting & filing to produce a square.

The story guesses that carpenters noticed the tapered thickness and thought that was part of what made a good square, so when manufacturers tried to use plain sheet, their squares were rejected as cheap substitutes & they had to roll the steel thicker in the middle.

Anyone have a better story?

Reply
Duane Kriebel
July 11, 2014
I had heard it was to allow the center punch truing method of tweaking the angle , the thicker area was more likely to not deform in the other plane when punched. It all adds more beef to the most crucial part of the square.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: nice that you noticed the different thickness on the old squares and i'll have to find all of mine and see if i have any like that. best of luck on getting the old purple car's issues fixed so she can get back on the road and in the parades.

fab work looks great as per usual

have a RELAXING SUNDAY and i'll try to do the same!!

DM: that old BLACKSMITH tool story makes sense to me too.

BB:

All: i'll be trying to GET ORGANIZED while Andy is CLEANING!!

 

[jwh]

All the talk about repurposing the property of law enforcement officers, reminds me of when theives broke into the local police station and stole all the toilets....
The culprits are still at large because the police don't have anything to go on.

Not to have this thread degenerate into toliet humor, have to share this one:

At a former employer there was a maintenance shop that supported a 3 shift operation. Only Supervisor , who worked on days, had this thing about people being in his office when he wasn't there.

So one of the off shifts broke into his office. Moveable office walls, drop ceiling, maint crew with ladders and tools, not the crime.of the century.

Once they were in, they replaced his desk chair with a toilet.

Supervisor arrives next morning to find it. Not happy. Then he tried to move it. Concrete anchored to the floor! He goes ballistic!

He had a reputation of being a ass____. Was soon in another capacity away from that shop.

John

 

[Guster]

I'm really intrigued by how they were manufactured, and how they were engraved. They obviously are not stamped, while sanding them there was no raised material next to the lettering, maybe acid etched.

Thanks for stopping in, guys.

Engraved... another lost art.

Wouldn't be surprised if they used a master font set and scribed the layout with a pantograph before doing the engraving. More recently it would likely have been done with a pantograph mill before they became old fashioned.

I was just watching a video on making a set of steel gravers after going down the Youtube rabbit hole of steel engraving rifle actions, sword blades, Tsuba', jewelry and a very nice electric guitar pick guard. I have a very long list of skills to learn and practice when I retire... I will never get bored.

Nice to see you back on the Studebaker!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy I think it is a little late now but you should have asked your local tag agency to do a voluntary collection for you of old tags. Some good would have then come from the mandated issue of new tags.

Good to see you back on the Studebaker.

Dwight

You must have something different in your area. Up here the tag office gives you the new tag and you change it yourself at home, so the tag agent never sees the removed tag. Don't think they could have helped.

The new tags are only for the advertising "tag line" they added. They could have kept the same design. I'm assuming a state employee's child designed the new tag. I hope they didn't pay for it. I would like to have been in the meeting where everyone was raving about the new design.

Now we're going to have ot post a picture of our new design. 9 out of 10 people can't figure out what the design is supposed to be.

Good to be back on the Studebaker. Thanks for the visit!!

Well I went down the square rabbit hole. Heres what I found, along with better handling these explanations came up.

http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2014/07/11/the-chappell-square/

BobboMax
July 11, 2014
You may have noticed that old steel squares are thicker at the heel, while modern ones are stamped out of uniform sheet. I’ve only heard one credible explanation (almost a guess, really) from a guy in customer service at Stanley Works.

Back in the old days, when squares were made by blacksmiths, there was no sheet steel- two strips were “blacksmith” or “forge” welded together at the heel, which produced a double layer lump there, not conducive to good layout. So the next step was to work the lump smoothly out into the tongue & body, followed by cutting & filing to produce a square.

The story guesses that carpenters noticed the tapered thickness and thought that was part of what made a good square, so when manufacturers tried to use plain sheet, their squares were rejected as cheap substitutes & they had to roll the steel thicker in the middle.

Anyone have a better story?

Reply
Duane Kriebel
July 11, 2014
I had heard it was to allow the center punch truing method of tweaking the angle , the thicker area was more likely to not deform in the other plane when punched. It all adds more beef to the most crucial part of the square.

Great work!! Going down the square rabbit hole is such an ambiguous statement.

Very interesting, however I found it surprising that you would taper a square just because you forge welded it. One can forge weld two pieces together and easily work it down to the original thickness. The thicker section would be an advantage for adjusting a square. I've never heard of using a punch, that would disfigure the square. We always just hammer on the flat, outside edge to tighten the angle, and inside to spread it. If you get one out of square.

Nonetheless I did a bit of searching and found this history from the University of Vermont on the Eagle Square Company. Interesting reading.

Eagle Square Manufacturing Company Records

Go down to the "Historical Note" section, of interest is this paragraph

"Rufus W. Bangs also had a square shop in North Bennington, but this was destroyed in the flood of 1852. He is remembered as the inventor of the "eccentric rolls," the first important improvement in the manufacture of squares. These rolls perfected the tapering process. Before this time, the taper had been made by drawing the strips out under a trip hammer, but the eccentric rolls made a square that was thick at the angle and tapered toward each end. This tapered effect gave the square a much better "hang," or feeling of balance, than one made of flat steel. Bangs also invented the method of grinding to remove the scale which formed when the square was heated. This back-breaking job was done on large grindstones, six feet in diameter."

Interesting comment on the eccentric rolls. In retrospect, I believe the taper was originally to save material. Iron was expensive, and old time blacksmiths used to weld scrap together to make larger pieces. Handles were drawn out and tapered to save material.

And later, these interesting paragraphs:

"Other names and events in Eagle Square's history deserve mention. After the death of Dennis George, Clark Bates became Master Mechanic of the plant until the time of his death in 1883. During his years at the plant, Bates built new machines for jointing or finishing the edges of squares. Llewllyn W. Cole succeeded Bates as Master Mechanic until his retirement around 1915. Cole changed the method of hand-welding to trip hammer and drop hammer welding so that two men could weld as many squares as four men used to. He also built a roll stamper that stamped four times as fast as a hand stamper. Cole also made a jointer that would finish two edges of a square in one operation. It should be pointed out that these machines were all built in the Eagle Square machine shop, as they could not be bought on the open market.

In 1906 another important improvement was made when steel manufacturers began rolling steel sheets 24 inches wide, and powerful machines were developed that could cut a blank from a sheet, so that welding was abolished. The taper was cold-rolled too. And since the square did not have to be heated, no scale was formed, and thus the grinding operation also became obsolete."

It appears forge welding was done until 1906! You have to read carefully to realize that Cole developed a method of trip hammer welding and became Master Mechanic in 1883, retiring in 1915.

Now I'm on the hunt for an Eagle Square. Maybe I've already got one.

I'm sure they had to taper the squares made of sheet steel because the craftsmen back then would not buy an inferior product just because it was cheaper. I'll wager they would not have been able to sell flat sheet squares to craftsmen used to tapered squares. I know I like the tapered ones best. And besides, steel sheet was expensive too, and they already had their eccentric rolls. You can bet as they rolled it thinner and it became longer they started with just the right length to end up with a full size square.

It hurt me to read the account of discarding squares because you could not read them due to rust. A little sanding fixes that.

I need to check squares for evidence of forge welding (should be apparent on rusted surface where you should see a weld line based on differential corrosion rates of the joined iron). Forge welded squares will be wrought iron, sheet will probably be steel. I can tell wrought iron by grinding it but that will also damage the square.

Hmm, the square rabbit hole has become a parallel universe.

Andy: nice that you noticed the different thickness on the old squares and i'll have to find all of mine and see if i have any like that. best of luck on getting the old purple car's issues fixed so she can get back on the road and in the parades.

fab work looks great as per usual

have a RELAXING SUNDAY and i'll try to do the same!!

DM: that old BLACKSMITH tool story makes sense to me too.

BB:

All: i'll be trying to GET ORGANIZED while Andy is CLEANING!!

Thanks for the kind words!

It will be interesting to see how welded squares look compared to those made of tapered sheet.

Not to have this thread degenerate into toilet humor, have to share this one:

At a former employer there was a maintenance shop that supported a 3 shift operation. Only Supervisor , who worked on days, had this thing about people being in his office when he wasn't there.

So one of the off shifts broke into his office. Moveable office walls, drop ceiling, maint crew with ladders and tools, not the crime.of the century.

Once they were in, they replaced his desk chair with a toilet.

Supervisor arrives next morning to find it. Not happy. Then he tried to move it. Concrete anchored to the floor! He goes ballistic!

He had a reputation of being a ass____. Was soon in another capacity away from that shop.

John

You started it John, so another john story. Refinery I worked in had a large toilet area next to the main office building. Years before it was part of employee change rooms, only the toilet area was left and little used. It had a large crawl space, maybe 4 ft high. The toilets had plugged up and we had a maintenance request to get them cleaned out. Our guys were not plumbers, they were pipe fitters. So they found a connection going into the sewer with an old branch. They hooked a steam hose to the branch to heat and pressurize the line and clean out the accumulated sludge. People rarely used the toilets and everyone knew they were plugged up so they didn't safety flag off the area.

A visiting employee from Philadelphia (we're in the hinterland, Tulsa, OK) who was upper level and always wore flamboyant suits apparently had discovered the toilet area was a good place to spend downtime (there were toilets in the office building he was visiting). As luck would have it, he was in serious contemplation when the sewer lines broke free and belched their contents out of all the toilets, including the one he was sitting on. One maintenance employee went in to check on progress of the steaming operation and observed the aftermath. He ran out shouting "Turn off the steam, turn off the steam!! They're going to fire us all!!"

There was no injury other than to pride, and the employees were disciplined for failure to safe out but it was minor. However there may have been some management personnel who found a certain amount of levity in the entire event.

Apparently there is no hope remaining for this thread to be a serious dissertation on workshop stuff.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Engraved... another lost art.

Wouldn't be surprised if they used a master font set and scribed the layout with a pantograph before doing the engraving. More recently it would likely have been done with a pantograph mill before they became old fashioned.

I was just watching a video on making a set of steel gravers after going down the Youtube rabbit hole of steel engraving rifle actions, sword blades, Tsuba', jewelry and a very nice electric guitar pick guard. I have a very long list of skills to learn and practice when I retire... I will never get bored.

Nice to see you back on the Studebaker!

Please don't provide any YouTube links. My life has degenerated into reading about stuff I want to do.

Not sure these are engraved as the bottom of the numerals is flat.

I'm needing to make a pantograph, too. Not too high tech, but very useful nonetheless for making patterns.

We had lunch with a divorced friend. I always ask her whether she's got a man yet and she always sneers at me. 46 years unhappy was enough for her. However she said she had fixed her mom's faucet after waiting three months for her plumber son (he is busy). I asked her how she figured it out. Yep, YouTube. I asked her how many she watched. She said "two, they both said to do the same thing so I figured they were right". Smart girl.

YouTube is so great, so long as you winnow it in a strong breeze to get rid of the chaff.

Thanks for the visit.

 

[Guster]

Please don't provide any YouTube links. My life has degenerated into reading about stuff I want to do.

Not sure these are engraved as the bottom of the numerals is flat.

I'm needing to make a pantograph, too. Not too high tech, but very useful nonetheless for making patterns.

We had lunch with a divorced friend. I always ask her whether she's got a man yet and she always sneers at me. 46 years unhappy was enough for her. However she said she had fixed her mom's faucet after waiting three months for her plumber son (he is busy). I asked her how she figured it out. Yep, YouTube. I asked her how many she watched. She said "two, they both said to do the same thing so I figured they were right". Smart girl.

YouTube is so great, so long as you winnow it in a strong breeze to get rid of the chaff.

Thanks for the visit.

I always feel richer for finding out how something works and being able to apply it later on. There is a glut of artisan and ‘how it’s made’ biographies/documentaries lately. Watching people explain how they work and why they do the things they do while applying a technique I knew nothing about is always fascinating. But there is a lot of chaff as you say and much that requires a little common sense too.

I won't post any links unless absolutely required! But don't forget Vimeo... some very nice stuff there too.

I still have a pantograph draft aid for copying, reducing and enlarging drawings. They work well for a few other purposes too ie. designing some mechanical linkages where you need to work out the range or ‘throw’ of a device. Every time I see a pantograph mill I still get a niggle like I did when I see a shaper as there is still so much use for one.

If only I lived on a farm!

 

[realvc]

The road goes on forever and the party never ends.
This is a very informative thread is an understatement.
I had to look up pantograph to see what you are talking about. A street rodder I know built one years ago for a cutting torch. He could reproduce all kinds of parts with it. I never knew it was a type of pantograph until today.

Thanks to all you teachers out there.

Also, Andy I caught a similar crud to what you had. It just wants to hang on like none other I've ever dealt with. I'm back in the shop and getting things done all be it at a slower and even less productive pass than before it hit me.

Thanks again for a great thread to follow along. Now I need to go check and see what type of squares are hanging on the peg board.

Vince

 

[oldironfarmer]

I always feel richer for finding out how something works and being able to apply it later on. There is a glut of artisan and ‘how it’s made’ biographies/documentaries lately. Watching people explain how they work and why they do the things they do while applying a technique I knew nothing about is always fascinating. But there is a lot of chaff as you say and much that requires a little common sense too.

I won't post any links unless absolutely required! But don't forget Vimeo... some very nice stuff there too.

I still have a pantograph draft aid for copying, reducing and enlarging drawings. They work well for a few other purposes too ie. designing some mechanical linkages where you need to work out the range or ‘throw’ of a device. Every time I see a pantograph mill I still get a niggle like I did when I see a shaper as there is still so much use for one.

If only I lived on a farm!

I was joking about links. So much better to post the links you found to be nice rather than all the rest of us stumbling around. Vimeo? What on earth is that?

Interesting how cross pollination works. It never fails to amaze me how something I learned in say weaving will apply to foundry work, and how things learned in the cattle business will apply to broom making. Seemingly very dissimilar subjects are made richer by a variety of knowledge.

Who doesn't want a copying lathe?

The road goes on forever and the party never ends.
This is a very informative thread is an understatement.
I had to look up pantograph to see what you are talking about. A street rodder I know built one years ago for a cutting torch. He could reproduce all kinds of parts with it. I never knew it was a type of pantograph until today.

Thanks to all you teachers out there.

Also, Andy I caught a similar crud to what you had. It just wants to hang on like none other I've ever dealt with. I'm back in the shop and getting things done all be it at a slower and even less productive pass than before it hit me.

Thanks again for a great thread to follow along. Now I need to go check and see what type of squares are hanging on the peg board.

Vince

Thanks for the visit!

I'm willing to share anything, you know, even the crud.

Now I'm wondering when they quit making tapered squares. It would not be surprising if it was after WWII when the economy was booming and lots of DIY took off. A fully stamped square is quick and cheap to manufacture. I was looking a mine last night and at least one of them appears to have the numerals hand stamped. Exciting stuff!

 

[Guster]

Vimeo? What on earth is that?

Like a whole 'nother Youtube but fancier!

Interesting how cross pollination works. It never fails to amaze me how something I learned in say weaving will apply to foundry work, and how things learned in the cattle business will apply to broom making. Seemingly very dissimilar subjects are made richer by a variety of knowledge.

Who doesn't want a copying lathe?

I've always looked for inspiration in other areas. More amazing still how the brain makes connections. Taking a break from a problem and coming up with a solution while doing something completely different just because something you are doing triggered a concept... Eureka moment much?

Copy lathes are very popular here. I've seen the hydraulic copy attachments sell for more than some decent lathes. Multi-spindle lathes also sell for good money but I have a feeling that might be for backup or spares to keep old workshops going. Never seen a horisontal lathe or a horisontal boring machine in operation or for sale here. Turret or capstan lathes strangely not so popular either and twice nearly bought one before converting a 5C collet closer to my lathe as a happy medium.

Surprisingly don't see many CNC lathes or HMCs the second hand market either. Those would trump them all but then again who wouldn't love a VMC and HMC in their shed... probably my neighbours I guess.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Eureka moments...

Interestingly I solved a classical kinematics problem (and/or mechanical gate with no springs) during a calculus test. Everything clicked. I excitedly explained it to my kinematics professor and he gave me a blank look. Then I drew it on his white board, same blank look. So I built a model of steel and demonstrated it to him. When he looked at the mechanism he said "of course". HA! Then he borrowed the model and took it to a kinematics convention and passed it off as his own. I dropped out.

 

[Farmall450]

Eureka moments...

Interestingly I solved a classical kinematics problem (and/or mechanical gate with no springs) during a calculus test. Everything clicked. I excitedly explained it to my kinematics professor and he gave me a blank look. Then I drew it on his white board, same blank look. So I built a model of steel and demonstrated it to him. When he looked at the mechanism he said "of course". HA! Then he borrowed the model and took it to a kinematics convention and passed it off as his own. I dropped out.

Ever know what happened to him/it?

 

[oldironfarmer]

Ever know what happened to him/it?

And I thought you'd ask about Boolean Algebra operators

I don't know what happened to him. We somehow lost touch. He was doing research into mechanical linkage logic in weapons systems to provide immunity to thermonuclear radiation. Interesting topic, but a bit of integrity is always a nice touch.

I assume karma ensured the level of his success.

Since you could have asked, if you didn't know the AND Boolean operator and the OR operator are the same. There are two inputs, for AND, if both input A and input B are on, then the output is on. If either turn off, then the output turns off. To make an OR, you reverse what you call on and off, for an OR, if either input A or B are on, then the output is on. Only when A and B are off is the output off. Mechanically this is easily accomplished by two rods in parallel pushing against a plate which is attached to the output rod. If either rod is pushed then the output gets pushed. Only when both rods are retracted can the output retract. Unfortunately this take a spring to retract the output. All computer language is just a series of Boolean operators, NOT, AND, OR, AND NOT. So you can replicate computer logic mechanically but having springs in the system soon overloads the levers and mechanical assistance is required, further complicating the system and requiring power input. Since Boolean operators were defined in the mid-nineteenth century apparently no one had come up with an AND or OR gate which did not need springs to return the output. It drove me crazy until I figured it out.

Thanks for asking!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Hershey always tries to help with the cows. Now she eats with them. They chase her away, so when they're finished she helps herself to the the slobber covered bits of feed.

Isn't she sweet? Of course, then she wants to come and lick my face...

Finally got a little shop time today. I had a biopsy this morning and while I was out I bought some media for my new vacuum blaster. I've had it assembled for several weeks but hadn't needed it until now, and wanted some aluminum oxide grit for it. Bought 100 lbs while I was in town.

I needed to blast the cut line for the new running board.

I'm impressed with how it worked. Blasts very quickly. A little media is lost through the brush on the sandblast head, but not much, and no dust that I could detect. You can vacuum up media on the floor very easily with the sandblast head. After ten minutes or so there was a light fog in the room, and some dirt on the blaster.

But the majority of the media was back in the canister and the blasting was done, plus most of the cab bottom.

When I found this vacuum blaster for about $700 I searched for others and found none under $24,000. Those are the kind we used in refinery work. I was really pleased by the results of the first time.

Thanks for looking in!!

 

[Stellaontap]

I love your thread, you have done an incredible amount of work in a short period of time Andy. I look forward to reading new posts here as there is always something to learn, thanks.

Eric

 

[Hubscrub66]

Just looked up the new Oklahoma tag design you was referring to. I just realized its a bird ive see a few around my area and just thought it was multi colored.

 

[Farmall450]

Np, thanks for the detailed explanation. Hopefully all is well with the biopsy.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: i had no idea that sandblast pot was/is that expensive. WOW!!

looks like it does the job. if i had a big shop i'd probably buy a SkatBlast with a 5hp or 7.5hp compressor, but i think that ship has sailed unless we move out to the country.

good to see Hershey is still cleaning up after the cows and not getting stepped on.

great looking start to the other door and looking forward to more pictures and methods cause if I had a chance to buy an old truck before watching your thread i probably wouldn't have touched it with very many rusted out spots.

keep up the great work and as always STAY SAFE AND WARM!!

 

[jimreed2160]

I just have to tune in every day to see what lecture Professor Andy is giving. The lesson on framing squares was eye opening. My first exposure to framing squares was when I found my dad's abandoned in weeds beside the barn and used it for a boomerang. He was happy to have it back but not pleased about my new found use for it. Luckily I was small and could not throw it very far.

But I was intrigued and had to go look at my vintage square. It is an old Sargent that I picked up somewhere. And the arms are tapered so much that you can see it just by looking. Measurement at the corner is 5/32" and measurement at the end of the wing is 5/64". Wow! I did not expect the thickness to taper by 50%!

Thanks, Andy. And BTW, my guess is that they used a big wheel to grind the taper. That is what Disston did with their saws. The good handsaws are thick where the teeth are and thinner up top. The taper keeps the saw from binding in the kerf.