Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[1/2 Cup]

Andy sorry but that cord is


Your Pharmacy shelves have come up a treat well done.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy shelf looks good. They will be glad to receive it. Good to hear from you again.

Dwight

Thanks Dwight!

Andy sorry but that cord is

Your Pharmacy shelves have come up a treat well done.

Sorry the cord is not for loan. I could send you plans if you want to build your own. however.

I thought you'd get a charge out of it...

Thanks for the shelf comment! I delivered it today and set it up. The liked it so I'm happy. A lot of work for such a small product but I learned a lot about casting (but caught no fish).

I'm glad to move on to trivets and hammers. Maybe I'll get some out now.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[dlcwent]

Hi Andy, checking in to see what the hell you've been up to. I need to do a lot of reading before I can make any competent remark. Talk soon.

 

[Kev442]

Back in HS (1979), either the light box or vacuum frameformer in Plastics Class had a power cord setup like that. On a commercially sold item, mind you.
Another student in my class brought up the fact that zapping was to be easily had, and wrote the manufacturer. Large safety stickers showed up a month later with a thank you note.

 

[Guster]

Nice rack!

Glad to hear from you Andy. You've been unusually busy/quiet this week. Good progress too.

Can you still buy pure zinc 'solder'? I think they used to use it to hot seal flashing in some parts of the world. If you lived near the sea... quite common to have zinc sacrificial anodes to protect marine equipment from galvanic corrosion. We can also buy sticks off the raw stuff to cast custom anodes to fit weird shapes/spaces.

PS. Reminds me of a work colleague who recently asked me where he could get an extension chord with a male plug on each end so he could simply plug his generator into the house circuit to power everything.

 

[don long]

Andy
Are those clamps on the shelf what you were casting back a few pages?
The shelf looks up side down.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Andy shelf looks good but I still think you should have used walnut!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Hi Andy, checking in to see what the hell you've been up to. I need to do a lot of reading before I can make any competent remark. Talk soon.

Man I've missed you! I'm the biggest goober around here when you're gone. Seriously good to hear from you. what have you been up to?

Back in HS (1979), either the light box or vacuum frameformer in Plastics Class had a power cord setup like that. On a commercially sold item, mind you.
Another student in my class brought up the fact that zapping was to be easily had, and wrote the manufacturer. Large safety stickers showed up a month later with a thank you note.

Sure never heard of anything like that.

I don't think they'd get by with stickers this year.

Nice rack!

Why thank you!!

Glad to hear from you Andy. You've been unusually busy/quiet this week. Good progress too.

Can you still buy pure zinc 'solder'? I think they used to use it to hot seal flashing in some parts of the world. If you lived near the sea... quite common to have zinc sacrificial anodes to protect marine equipment from galvanic corrosion. We can also buy sticks off the raw stuff to cast custom anodes to fit weird shapes/spaces.

PS. Reminds me of a work colleague who recently asked me where he could get an extension chord with a male plug on each end so he could simply plug his generator into the house circuit to power everything.

You can buy zinc solder, but it is very expensive. I checked with a cathodic protection company thinking they might have some damaged anodes they would sell cheap. Nope.

I have not checked with the local galvanizing company. I don't know how their raw material comes but it should be the cheapest. And I don't need a half ton.

Good use for a double ended cord! Of course, here it would have to be 220v. I'll make up another. I ran my house on an extension cord once. There is a two way feed behind my shop. I intentionally have the shop on the west feeder and the house is on the east one. We lost power but the shop still had power. I opened the breakers on my pole and wired 200 ft of #4 welding cable 200 ft from my shop pole to my house pole. I also put a large sign on the breakers with yellow and white stripes and a warning that the connection was not phased checked so don't turn on the breaker. Turns out the electric company had trouble finding the fault as they kept seeing I had power in my house. We were out almost two weeks after a devastating windstorm. A 3-inch wind.

Andy
Are those clamps on the shelf what you were casting back a few pages?
The shelf looks up side down.

Those are the ones.

No, it's the picture. They have wood grain tile on their ceiling.

But I take all suggestions seriously so I'll ask her if she would like me to hang it from the ceiling.

Seriously, I had not thought of hanging the shelves from the brackets. That would work.

Andy shelf looks good but I still think you should have used walnut!

Thanks! I did not want to commit that much walnut to a store fixture.

Thanks fro stopping by guys!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Had a little shop time today, melted some scrap early on. Making more muffins!!

I had made an ingot tray out of angle iron but it does not hold much more than a muffin in each section. Today I made one out of some old 3" channel. Ends have draft as well.

I welded a number into each cell.

Hmmm, that "2" looks suspiciously OK.

WW1/2CD?

Duh, grind it out and reweld it.

It feels better now. Each ingot is about 17.8 cu in, or 28 ounces of aluminum, or about five muffins to use conventional units. Ingots will fit in my 304SS crucible I use for aluminum. In brass, each ingot will hold about 5-1/2 lbs (88 ounces).

Had to go to town so I took my lovely wife and bought her lunch. We made a side trip and went past a local War Memorial. It is Flag Day and the memorial was all decorated up, nobody there. It is only a few years old and we have not been there. She asked to stop. She wanted to see if she could find her dad's name.

That's her dad, Claude Box. He was on Corregidor Island when it was surrendered to the Japanese in May of 1942, survived the Battan death march across Luzon and 3-1/2 years of imprisonment in Japan under harsh conditions. He had a hard life, we remember him often and appreciate his service to our country.

 

[jimreed2160]

A brave man, indeed. A salute to Mr. Box.

 

[1/2 Cup]

A brave man, indeed. A salute to Mr. Box.

So true, those guys went through hell.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy great work on your ingot tray.


Well done on correcting your faux pas on the numbering that would have driven me nuts.

 

[Hubscrub66]

A brave man, indeed. A salute to Mr. Box.

Agree, God bless our veterans.

 

[oldironfarmer]

A brave man, indeed. A salute to Mr. Box.

So true, those guys went through hell.

One of the epic struggles for certain. And when he and I met I had a Japanese car...

Andy great work on your ingot tray.


Well done on correcting your faux pas on the numbering that would have driven me nuts.

Thank you! I really would have left it, but for your guidance.

In Hominy, OK, there is a school with the date 1904 on the cornice. It is carved sandstone, not cast concrete. The 4 is backwards. All I can assume is that the stonemason was was working from what would be the top side and had it carved before noticing. But that is a stretch. It could all have been re-carved. I almost left it as an obtuse tribute to that stone mason.

Agree, God bless our veterans.

Thank you.

Some sacrifice more than others, all are at risk and all serve so others may be free.

 

[drivesitfar]

Handy: great looking simple shelving unit. OMG those clamps are almost too nice to hide that is for certain, but your design and construction methods should work just fine for almost anything the store owner wants to put on them.

how fast in MPH is a 3 INCH WIND? is that maybe a TORNADO?

hope you are having a great SATURDAY and maybe on rest day tomorrow you can take one of the old tractors out for a spin on the 160 acres to visit the herd and see the lay of the land if you haven't for a bit.

cheers (yep still drinking ice tea, but started drinking a chai drink about every other morning for a quick pick me up so don't need to take you up on your offer to grab a COKE)

 

[tym]

Andy sorry but that cord is

I've heard those colloquially referred to as "suicide cords."

 

[shortykorte]

Darn I have to trash my generator cord now. Shelves are awesome. A duplicate would look great in my office holding my antiques.
A sharp salute to your FIL. That generation is definitely a strong, resilient group.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Handy: great looking simple shelving unit. OMG those clamps are almost too nice to hide that is for certain, but your design and construction methods should work just fine for almost anything the store owner wants to put on them.

how fast in MPH is a 3 INCH WIND? is that maybe a TORNADO?

hope you are having a great SATURDAY and maybe on rest day tomorrow you can take one of the old tractors out for a spin on the 160 acres to visit the herd and see the lay of the land if you haven't for a bit.

cheers (yep still drinking ice tea, but started drinking a chai drink about every other morning for a quick pick me up so don't need to take you up on your offer to grab a COKE)

Thanks! The brackets were fun to make. And I certify them as a Licensed Professional Engineer.

I don't have a conversion table between inches and mph, sorry.

I've heard those colloquially referred to as "suicide cords."

Dang! And I thought it was unique and you know the name.

Darn I have to trash my generator cord now. Shelves are awesome. A duplicate would look great in my office holding my antiques.
A sharp salute to your FIL. That generation is definitely a strong, resilient group.

Thank you. And was that an order on the shelf unit?

Thank you on behalf of my wife.

Great to have visitors, guys.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Today I got out early and tried out my new ingot mold. I love it!!

Ingots are about a pound and a half

I was melting nuggets from my 55 gallon drum bulk melter. some interesting shapes come out.

The new tongs are nice. I picked up this quarter sized medallion.

I made three melts this morning. A few ingots, it works well and is getting a nice patina.

Here's my stash of aluminum.

Don't let on to the IRS.

Thanks for stopping by!!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy your ingots have come out well.

You are really starting to get into mass production..

 

[Grumblebum]

Andy, those muffins and bars look yummy

You need to fix that cord. Only takes a momentary lapse in concentration or grandkids or something being around

My table saw is needing a new blade soon, must look at those red beasties.

Cheers GB.

 

[shortykorte]

A dozen biscuits (with gravy) please.

That is a nice collection. Will we need to send in 007 to stop you from cornering the aluminum market?

I have 3 rims that would be nice to smelt versus taking to recycler. Can you give more detail on your bulk can smelter.

p.s. do you stamp the weight on the ingots?

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[bj383ss]

Andy your shelves came out great. Looks like there will be some mass hammer and trivet production in your future according to your stash there.

Bret

P.S. that link on shelves is spam. Not sure why it did that.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy your ingots have come out well.

You are really starting to get into mass production..

Thanks, Steve! I really like making stock, makes me feel wealthy...

However, it's really not a good thing, it just satisfies my hoarding tendency. Or feeds it. For really dirty scrap the theory is that you get the dross off and make ingots. Then you melt ingots and have little dross to make a casting pour. The problem is that for what I'm making I get good metal after the dross is removed so the ingot stage is unnecessary and only costs fuel to re-melt the ingots. It is, however, faster to melt ingots so you can have a crucible ready to pour in twenty minutes melting ingots versus an hour or more to melt cans or other trash and continually skim off the great volumes of dross.

Then there are those who indicate if you are not degassing your metal will contain more and more porosity with each successive melt. I don't totally buy into that, I believe a lot of entrained hydrogen (the likely porosity contents) will boil right off as the remelt is taking place instead of immediately going back into solution in the liquid. I have remelted sprues and runners with no apparent increase in porosity.

So good clean scrap like cut up wheels, lawn mower spindle housings, cut up ladders and other structural, may best be melted only one time. That certainly saves fuel. It is great fun to feed a meter long piece of structural into a hot crucible and feel it melt and inch (centimeter?) it's way down into the liquid below. I melted part of a wheel yesterday (W stamped into the ingots) which was totally unnecessary but I wanted to see the results and nobody was there checking on me.

So, making ingots is valuable to reduce the volume of poor quality scrap and increase the utility of the material when it's time to cast. But the accumulation of muffins and ingots is purely an emotional aberration.

Not that you asked...

Andy, those muffins and bars look yummy

You need to fix that cord. Only takes a momentary lapse in concentration or grandkids or something being around

My table saw is needing a new blade soon, must look at those red beasties.

Cheers GB.

Yummy is right! Take some copper and add a muffin, put it in the metal blender and you have a wonderful Aluminum Bronze concoction guaranteed to please the most discerning palate. Strong and beautiful with the distinct odor of gold.

A dozen biscuits (with gravy) please.

That is a nice collection. Will we need to send in 007 to stop you from cornering the aluminum market?

I have 3 rims that would be nice to smelt versus taking to recycler. Can you give more detail on your bulk can smelter.

p.s. do you stamp the weight on the ingots?

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They're muffins, man. What are you thinking? But I will be happy to butter you up a dozen with some appropriate jelly and cast them your way.

I am but a poor villager. I only have a tidbit of aluminum. And I lust longingly when I see an all aluminum highway trailer go by. It would be a job to cut up and melt but I'm up to it. 1" webs with 2" flanges on the beams, oooh!

I wonder how much a wrecked one would be?

For three rims I would cut them up on the table saw. Carbide blade, welding gloves, long jacket, goggles, face shield, ear protection and you're ready for fun fun fun until your wife catches you. You start by rolling the rim into the saw blade then slowly spin it backward while pushing it in. You can cut both beads off that way. Then lay them flat and cut into arcs to fit in your crucible or the "if it fit's it ships" box with my address. Then cut another ring off the spider and slice it up. There is tension in all the rings, including the spider, so you don't cut all the way through on the first cut. Then go 180 degrees and cut through the other side to avoid binding. You have to go slow through the spider because of the heavy, luscious sections. Be right back, I need to go cut up a wheel.

The bulk melter is simple but messy and oxidizes a lot of aluminum (hot with excess air). It is an open ended drum on a coarse grate over a tub of water. Fill two thirds full of firewood and light a fire on top. When it gets going good lay your rims on to roast. No need to flip when the blood comes out. The meat will drip slowly into the water (regulated by absorbing massive amount of heat to melt so it cools the fire) as the contaminants like chrome plating, lead weights, and rubber burns and makes an exciting cocktail that will be the envy of all your neighbors. They'll be so curious as to what smells so luscious they may even get help to judge your performance.

When I first started as a youngster over a year ago I weighed each and every muffin and wrote the weight on the muffin. Theory was I would select the proper combination of muffins to avoid melting too much. I/2Cup would approve. But, if you melt too little and pour short you have messed up the entire casting process so I always added a few muffins and soon realized I wanted to melt a mostly full crucible every time so I just chunk them in and cast away. Marking each one? That's kind of a dumb idea...

My kindest appreciation for each and every visitor to this thread. Some of the stuff I do is pretty hot, you know. Whether you post or not, your participation is appreciated.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy your shelves came out great. Looks like there will be some mass hammer and trivet production in your future according to your stash there.

Bret

P.S. that link on shelves is spam. Not sure why it did that.

Thanks, Bret!

I'm experiencing a classic production bottleneck. Raw castings are all done (and the labor seems to prefer that portion of the work). Finishing labor was all spent on shelving and has temporarily been diverted to build a liquid (diesel-waste motor oil-used cooking oil) burner so we can really heat up the melting economy. Or melt economically.

Plus I have some orders for hammers and trivets, and hammers-brooms-trivets so we have to sort out what happens next. Making hammer handles is the big holdup right now but I'm expecting a trickle of progress next week.

The store is a pharmacy, not a grocery. I'm not expecting them to have any spam on the shelves.

Do you still want a hammer?

 

[bj383ss]

The store is a pharmacy, not a grocery. I'm not expecting them to have any spam on the shelves. OMG! I just spit out my coffee!

Do you still want a hammer? Absolutely!

Getting off the computer now to enjoy the rest of my coffee out in the shed.

Bret

 

[oldironfarmer]

The store is a pharmacy, not a grocery. I'm not expecting them to have any spam on the shelves. OMG! I just spit out my coffee!

Do you still want a hammer? Absolutely!

Getting off the computer now to enjoy the rest of my coffee out in the shed.

Bret

Glad I could make you smile. Hope you had a productive day!

I got a bit done. Assembled the oil burner I've been working on. I used about $30 of fittings from the $10 box I got at the auction several months back.

To get a fuel line inside the burner tube I turned a 1/4" pipe collar down to 0.680" to fit inside an 11/16" hole. I have a 1/4" male by 1/4" compression fitting ell (auction box!) and put 10" of brake line on the ell to bring the fuel close to the burner tube exit.

Slipped the ell and tube into the burner tube

Then screwed the collar on using a long bar to hold the ell from pressing against the pipe and bending the tube. Then centered the small tube and welded the collar to the burner tube. Added tees, valves and a gauge (to tell if it is plugged up). Propane goes in the yellow valve, oil in the red valve.

I plan to feed oil from this oil drain tank which conveniently has an air pressure evacuation feature. I changed the discharge hose to a piece of air line and will use compressor pressure (20 psi) to force oil into the burner.

Propane in the oil feed tube did not work well. After the furnace was hot the burner worked great. No pictures because my camera was ******* taking a movie. I ran out of oil but managed to melt a crucible of scrap. Here's a couple of screen shots from the movie

I'm going to add a propane nozzle into the burner tube to mix blower air and propane prior to exiting the burner.

 

[Guster]

Woohoo... burning oil.

That looks a bit like an adaptation of a brute burner. I can see why you think the hairdryer may be a little small. You may just need my jumpy castle blower after all! Next all the cars, tractors etc. will be due for more regular oil changes. A separate LPG line and jet will give more control for lighting it too.

Like the ingot molds too. Still have plenty opportunity to mess with others' OCD by pouring 2's and 4's then maybe some 3's.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Top stuff Andy..

 

[dlcwent]

Man I've missed you! I'm the biggest goober around here when you're gone. Seriously good to hear from you. what have you been up to?


Andy, are you calling me names again. I deeply hurt.

I can't keep up with myself but you are out of control. Maybe you have more daylight than we do or maybe I'm not as ambitious as you. Either way you're a hard act to follow.

I'm building another small garage for my personal stuff. I'll be posting on my thread soon.


Muffins look heavy enough without gravy. But Shorty can have them anyway he likes.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Woohoo... burning oil.

That looks a bit like an adaptation of a brute burner. I can see why you think the hairdryer may be a little small. You may just need my jumpy castle blower after all! Next all the cars, tractors etc. will be due for more regular oil changes. A separate LPG line and jet will give more control for lighting it too.

Like the ingot molds too. Still have plenty opportunity to mess with others' OCD by pouring 2's and 4's then maybe some 3's.

It was a real mess burning oil. And I was surprised I ran out. I had almost a gallon and guess I thought it would run forever. I've got another five or ten gallons in my other oil change sump.

It's more of a kwicky burner, or a cross between the two.

I'm going to do a few aluminum melts to clean up the oil residue then line the bottom of the firebox with concrete. I was getting copious amounts of smoke out the open bung holes. I guess oil going between the cracks in the brick and getting to an area cool enough to just smoke.

I really do have some oil changes to do. And the local old fashioned drive in has promised to save cooking oil for me, filtered.

It was really stupid to number the molds. I find myself looking to see which number I should start with for the next pour, as though it matters. Then, of course, there is the desire to melt them in order, if I can even bring myself to melt valuable numbered ingots.

Top stuff Andy..

Thanks Steve! Actually, I had a schedule. I had to beat Guster to an oil burn. Of course, his will work right the first time.

What have you been up to?

I've been to 195 but I'm back down, but thanks for asking.

Andy, are you calling me names again. I deeply hurt.

Dang! I'm so sorry, I didn't think you were sharp enough to catch it.

I can't keep up with myself but you are out of control. Maybe you have more daylight than we do or maybe I'm not as ambitious as you. Either way you're a hard act to follow.

Actually, you have more daylight than we do from March 15 to September 15. When you get down by the equator where Bob and Shorty live it's 12 hours per day all year long. Remember I'm retired and have nothing to do with my idle hands. Thank you, however. But kind words will not get me to be nice to you.

I'm building another small garage for my personal stuff. I'll be posting on my thread soon.

Muffins look heavy enough without gravy. But Shorty can have them anyway he likes.

New garage build!!

I'm truly excited for us!!

Thanks for stopping by, guys!!

 

[jbmatth]

Andy,
I'm glad you didn't get too lazy while I was gone. I like the thought of a waste oil burner, hopefully you can work all of the kinks out so it'll work with less smoke. I'm looking forward to further development.

Also I'm glad I'm not the only one that uses double male extension cords, I have a 2' long one I use for connecting my small generator to the house when power goes out. I also kill the main breaker so I don't back feed the supply line. Works like a charm and I always connect everything before turning on the generator.

JB

 

[dreamingmuscle]

Can you run diesel through your oil burner?

My son is a tech at a Chrysler dealer and he used to have a bunch of trash diesel drained from trucks. He hasn't had mentioned in a while but for the cost of a replacement barrel a guy could have 55 gallons of dirty diesel. Wouldn't want run it in a engine but a waste oil burner is another story.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy,
I'm glad you didn't get too lazy while I was gone. I like the thought of a waste oil burner, hopefully you can work all of the kinks out so it'll work with less smoke. I'm looking forward to further development.

Also I'm glad I'm not the only one that uses double male extension cords, I have a 2' long one I use for connecting my small generator to the house when power goes out. I also kill the main breaker so I don't back feed the supply line. Works like a charm and I always connect everything before turning on the generator.

JB

I had a friend stop by and we wound up firing up the furnace and melting a little aluminum with oil. I tapped the side of the burner tube and fed the propane in separate from the oil. Started easily. I also used my shop vac for air but it was way too much so I'm working on a damper. I think most of the white smoke was oil getting to cooler regions of the furnace so I put an inch of refractory concrete in the floor today.

Dang! I never dreamed so many otherwise competent people have double ended power cords. My little club is not as exclusive as I thought.

Can you run diesel through your oil burner?

My son is a tech at a Chrysler dealer and he used to have a bunch of trash diesel drained from trucks. He hasn't had mentioned in a while but for the cost of a replacement barrel a guy could have 55 gallons of dirty diesel. Wouldn't want run it in a engine but a waste oil burner is another story.

Oh yeah, diesel is a prime fuel. I still have some that was water contaminated. It would be great if we could work something out. I'm sure I have a drum, I know I have a plastic one I had diesel in.

In the same vein, I have a couple of gallons of really bad gasoline. I'm thinking about blending it in.

Thanks for stopping by, guys!

 

[dreamingmuscle]

Ok he says they have about 50 gallons. In a plastic drum. Its a mix of gas and diesel already. Just come and swap it out.

He's at the Dodge dealership in Chandler on Hwy 66.

I'll PM he's number. He's not one to be quick to answer a phone. So you might tag the service manager Rocky if he doesn't get back with you.

Glen

 

[Bob Heine]

Dang! I never dreamed so many otherwise competent people have double ended power cords. My little club is not as exclusive as I thought.

Andy, even us incompetent people have double ended power cords. When the power goes out I need to set up the generator well away from the open windows on the house (not powerful enough to run the house A/C). I even have pseudo-double ended power cords to test electric motors and other 120v devices.

There's a reason I include double indemnity accidental death benefit on my life insurance.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Ok he says they have about 50 gallons. In a plastic drum. Its a mix of gas and diesel already. Just come and swap it out.

He's at the Dodge dealership in Chandler on Hwy 66.

I'll PM he's number. He's not one to be quick to answer a phone. So you might tag the service manager Rocky if he doesn't get back with you.

Glen

Thank you! I'll sure follow up with them.

Andy, even us incompetent people have double ended power cords. When the power goes out I need to set up the generator well away from the open windows on the house (not powerful enough to run the house A/C). I even have pseudo-double ended power cords to test electric motors and other 120v devices.

There's a reason I include double indemnity accidental death benefit on my life insurance.

I protest your inclusion in the incompetent group. You're in my group and I don't want to be there.

Nice cord! (Four wire)

I've been known to hook up a welder using 100 ft of 12/2 romex with no connectors, just fold the bare wire to plug into the outlet and wrap the bare wire around the prongs on the other end. Running 1/8" rod at 90 amps (40v on a crackerbox) winds up with only 16 amps. Don't tell 1/2 Cup I do that.

Glad to have the visitors, guys!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, even us incompetent people have double ended power cords. When the power goes out I need to set up the generator well away from the open windows on the house (not powerful enough to run the house A/C). I even have pseudo-double ended power cords to test electric motors and other 120v devices.

There's a reason I include double indemnity accidental death benefit on my life insurance.

Not another one

 

[oldironfarmer]

A few pictures.

The first oil burn really dirtied up the furnace interior. Here it is with the plinth out and trash vacuumed up.

And with an inch of Satanite concrete in the bottom. The wind came up and started blowing flaky black ash onto the wet mud. Only on the surface.

My old plinth has lots of miles on it since March of 2017. It will need replacement soon. I've got another one made.

I need to remember to get a picture of my modified oil burner.

The white smoke was mostly coming out of the bung holes in the bottom head of the furnace. I think if I make sure the furnace is good and hot before putting in oil, and control the air well I may have no liquid oil in the furnace to run down to the cooler parts and smoke. We'll see about that.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Not another one

We can do that safely, Steve. Because of our lax rules and marginal wiring the portion of the population which is not careful around the electrons eliminate themselves so all that are left are pretty safe.

I think.

Maybe.